Do you believe in Frederik Andersen? Would you re-sign?

[IPS]

It's far past the point defending him IMO, Freddy's stats speak for themselves.

There are no defense problems this year - we're performing at the level of the best teams in the league. Freddy just cannot outplay the other team's goalie on any sort of regular basis.

 

[ACC1224]

You think that happens?

Wouldn’t surprise me at all. Devil you know situation

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I don’t trust Andersen any longer. His lack of focus is to concerning. His gong show games are becoming closer together too. I had enough of him. Would be nice to land another starter instead of Andersen. Campbell is the answer if we can get him healthy so another quality goalie for a duo would work.
Dubas has some work still to do. I am sure he see’s where we need tightening up further. We are reaching contender range with some soft underbelly. Needs to get out front of the trade deadline like he usually does. Dubas will likely be thinking long playoff with potential to win it all this year. That could lead to some serious movement.
He should look at Eichel if he is wanting out of Buffalo. We have to players/prospects/picks to make that happen

 

[likecheese]

fourth goal


Good goalie wil stop that

You guys should watch some other games if you think that was a bad goal, there's much much worse than that leaking in all over the league, the expectations about your goalie having to stop perfect snipes from inside the faceoff dot is absurd.
Every time I watch league highlights, I'm left thinking "geez, if that goal went in here, Freddie would get buried".

 

[Mess]

Wonder what the feeling will be around here when Dubas re-signs him?

I suppose that depends on the other options available at that time to compare it against and the cost as well.

What we do know that in the last 3 season since Dubas has taken over Andersen is in the top 4 in most wins in a season.
2018-19 .. 36 wins (3rd) -----> Vas of TB (39) (1st)
2019-20 .. 29 wins (4th) ----> Vas of TB (35) (1st)
2020-21 .. 12 wins (3rd) ----> Vas of TB (14) (1st)

So if one is grading on a bell curve it would be hard to find a replacement goalie that would outperform what Leafs are currently receiving from Andersen in terms on wins in a season.

 

[Gary Nylund]

He has a .906, which is 20th in the league out of goalies who have played at least 10 games. .909 last year.

I'd be surprised if that's the best we can do, and it'll be pretty bad management to hand out a big contract for it.

Yeah he was .909 before the last game IIRC and he'll probably be up there and higher soon. He's about an average starter so somewhere in the 10-20 range is where I'd expect him to be.

I hope we can do better too but good goalies are hard to find. So may of the names people here said they wanted are playing much worse then Andersen this season which is worth keeping in mind.

As it stands now I doubt anybody's handing him a huge contract. Lots of hockey to be played still so we'll see what happens.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I’m probably shouldn’t be evaluating Andersen right now. Kind of have a hate on for him lately. Crap games are popping up closer together from him. So i wonder why he can’t stay focused. Why doesn’t he smash a stick over a post or something. I mean he can do that on a goal that’s on him no...... Rev himself up a bit. I’m not saying do it on a bad play from his defense

 

[hotpaws]

You guys should watch some other games if you think that was a bad goal, there's much much worse than that leaking in all over the league, the expectations about your goalie having to stop perfect snipes from inside the faceoff dot is absurd.
Every time I watch league highlights, I'm left thinking "geez, if that goal went in here, Freddie would get buried".

they don't even pay attention to the goals we score on the opposing goalie never mind evaluate other games with the same standards they hold our goalies , lol

for example JT's goal last night would have gotten Andy crucified if he let a similar shot in

in our sweep over Edm i heard little about how pitiful there goalies were and it was all about how great we played even though there goalies let in a large number of soft goals

basically every goal we let in falls under a few categories

-muffin
-very good shot but still should have stopped it

and my personal favorite

-sure we gave up a terrific scoring chance but goalies have to make the big saves sometimes which means they have to stop every shot regardless of how many elite level chances the team in front of him give up , lol

Andy is a good goalie , not great but he isn't paid like an elite goalie and just like every other goalie will have hot and cold stretches and good and bad games but on this board it seems he needs to be red hot every games to be considered even avg .

 

[Buds17]

Wouldn’t surprise me at all. Devil you know situation

Fair enough. I'd probably be surprised if he returns. No firm ideas for a replacement though.

 

[ACC1224]

Fair enough. I'd probably be surprised if he returns. No firm ideas for a replacement though.

Hoping you’re right.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

The Venn diagram of people that like Lou/dislike Dubas and those that defend Freddy is very nearly a circle. Interesting.

 

[ToneDog]

The Venn diagram of people that like Lou/dislike Dubas and those that defend Freddy is very nearly a circle. Interesting.

Same can be said about the people that dislike Lou/like Dubas and throw Andy under the bus at every opportunity. Interesting indeed.

 

[ACC1224]

Same can be said about the people that dislike Lou/like Dubas and throw Andy under the bus at every opportunity. Interesting indeed.

... and then there are the rest of us.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Yeah he was .909 before the last game IIRC and he'll probably be up there and higher soon. He's about an average starter so somewhere in the 10-20 range is where I'd expect him to be.

I hope we can do better too but good goalies are hard to find. So may of the names people here said they wanted are playing much worse then Andersen this season which is worth keeping in mind.

As it stands now I doubt anybody's handing him a huge contract. Lots of hockey to be played still so we'll see what happens.

The guy replacing him can have identical stats as long as the goals against aren't regularly coming within a minute of another goal or during a critical push. The team just gets too nervous in front of him.

Last game: first goal 5 minutes in, 2 goals within a minute
Feb 20: 2 goals against within 30 seconds
Feb 15: goal against with 9 seconds left in the period, goal against 41 seconds into next period
Feb 10: lets in first goal 1 minute into the game
Jan 30: lets in goal with 14 seconds left in the period

I'm not going to go through every game but I'm sure there's more, it's a consistent pattern with him for a couple years now. Every 2nd game, he lets in at least one momentum killing goal that our other goalies don't seem to have trouble with.

 

[Buds17]

Hoping you’re right.

As long as it's a goalie of quality. There was too long of a time here in between Belfour and Andersen.

 

[ACC1224]

As long as it's a goalie of quality. There was too long of a time here in between Belfour and Andersen.

100%. That’s the ‘devil you know’ I was referring to. Man, Belfour was so good, best goalie I’ve seen play here.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Same can be said about the people that dislike Lou/like Dubas and throw Andy under the bus at every opportunity. Interesting indeed.

Not really, mainly because the ones that criticize Dubas the most and invade every thread with his name in the title are a small portion of this forum compared to everyone else. It isn't difficult to see the same half dozen people that praise Lou and are more critical and give less credit to Dubas also come to the defence of Freddy. That said, there are also plenty here that defend Freddy and don't even register in the great GM debate of our time.

 

[cookie]

Who's looking for an elite goalie? League average would be ok. A healthy Campbell is more than fine.

Hell, even running a 1A/1B can be not only cheaper than Freddy + a number two but also provide insurance against injuries slumps while also providing our up and coming goalies a chance to establish themselves. Goalies are voodoo and getting value from trading a guy with perceived value is better than letting him go for nothing in return.

In trying to be objective, this is what he’s facing. Why is it that he’s having trouble with this amount of point shots when he’s supposed to be good against mid to low danger chances.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

The guy replacing him can have identical stats as long as the goals against aren't regularly coming within a minute of another goal or during a critical push. The team just gets too nervous in front of him.

Last game: first goal 5 minutes in, 2 goals within a minute
Feb 20: 2 goals against within 30 seconds
Feb 15: goal against with 9 seconds left in the period, goal against 41 seconds into next period
Feb 10: lets in first goal 1 minute into the game
Jan 30: lets in goal with 14 seconds left in the period

I'm not going to go through every game but I'm sure there's more, it's a consistent pattern with him for a couple years now. Every 2nd game, he lets in at least one momentum killing goal that our other goalies don't seem to have trouble with.

Literally just get a half decent goalie (which is what Freddy is right now anyway) who doesn't have a history of falling flat on their faces in big moments. I mean f*** even Patrick Lalime could win a round and backstopped Ottawa to Game 7 of a Conference Finals one time.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The guy replacing him can have identical stats as long as the goals against aren't regularly coming within a minute of another goal or during a critical push. The team just gets too nervous in front of him.

Last game: first goal 5 minutes in, 2 goals within a minute
Feb 20: 2 goals against within 30 seconds
Feb 15: goal against with 9 seconds left in the period, goal against 41 seconds into next period
Feb 10: lets in first goal 1 minute into the game
Jan 30: lets in goal with 14 seconds left in the period

I'm not going to go through every game but I'm sure there's more, it's a consistent pattern with him for a couple years now. Every 2nd game, he lets in at least one momentum killing goal that our other goalies don't seem to have trouble with.

I don't really believe this TBH. If you did this analysis for every goalie I'll bet you'd find that most goalies let in goals at good times, bad times and whatever else times roughly equally.

First minute, last minute, up by a goal, down by a goal, tied, first goal of the game, yada yada yada.

The simple truth is that most games are close most of the time so it's almost always a bad time to give up a goal.

Many goals he also doesn't have much of a chance to save so it's not like every goal scored is a goal that "he gave up". Most of the time it's a goal that THE TEAM gave up, many times it's a turnover, a bad pinch of whatever else and if Freddie doesn't bail us out, that haters jump all over him.

I believe someone recently did the research and showed that Freddie didn't give up a first shot goal more often then you'd expect which directly refuted what so many people had been saying here for quite some time. Just one example of how people latch on to a narrative that's not based on reality.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Not really, mainly because the ones that criticize Dubas the most and invade every thread with his name in the title are a small portion of this forum compared to everyone else. It isn't difficult to see the same half dozen people that praise Lou and are more critical and give less credit to Dubas also come to the defence of Freddy. That said, there are also plenty here that defend Freddy and don't even register in the great GM debate of our time.

I think I'm one of those who defends Freddie quite often and I'm a huge Dubas fan. But then, I find myself sticking up for whoever is in the fans doghouse ATM because people just go so overboard and I've stuck up in the past for Kadri, Reimer, Kessel and Bozak among others. Hell I've even defended Phaneuf at times (and no, he didn't miss the net as often as the haters kept saying).

I guess I just find it distasteful when people are hating on our players. Criticism is fine, rational discussion is always welcome but irrational hatred I don't understand and some of the stuff I read here on a daily basis about Andersen is just absurd. And the GDT's are pure poison, I swear almost every goal we give up there's a bunch of posts like:

That can't go in ...
Freddie's gotta have that one ...
Andersieve ...

Every goal seems to be one that "deflates the team" or "comes at a bad time", it's beyond ridiculous.

 

[Stephen]

Many goals he also doesn't have much of a chance to save so it's not like every goal scored is a goal that "he gave up". Most of the time it's a goal that THE TEAM gave up, many times it's a turnover, a bad pinch of whatever else and if Freddie doesn't bail us out, that haters jump all over him.

The key criticism here is Freddie doesn't bail out the team. He isn't usually the hotter hand in a goalie matchup. He doesn't steal them wins. He's been the first goalie to blink in 4 straight playoff series.

So if an environment where there's limited cap dollars, and Andersen can only play to the level reflective of the team defense around him, then why not take his salary and improve the team defense, and pay a cheaper goalie who will also only play to the level of the team in front of him?

 

[hotpaws]

Literally just get a half decent goalie (which is what Freddy is right now anyway) who doesn't have a history of falling flat on their faces in big moments. I mean f*** even Patrick Lalime could win a round and backstopped Ottawa to Game 7 of a Conference Finals one time.

here's a few goalies that were talked about in the off season to replace Andy

Markstrom .909 , 6m x 5yrs left after this season
Lehner .890 , 5m x 4yrs
Murray .883 , 6.25m x 3 yrs

i'm all for upgrading our goaltending or any other position for that matter but the idea we can just click our heels and poof we'll get a consistent quality goalie who never lets in a goal until we have a 5 goal lead is absurd

 

[napoleon in rags]

Jesus, are you Jedi

When did you start seeing into the future? You must win the lottery a lot

He advised placing everything on the Leafs last night. He's now living in a cardboard box.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I don’t trust Andersen anymore.