Do we already have a potential future Stanley Cup core with Nick & Cole? + Poll Question

[Sorinth]

No, I love Suzuki but he's not on track for an HOF career. Not saying he won't do it but he will need to win awards an be a top 5-10 C in the league what is not the case.

Plenty of current HoF players didn't win individual awards or be top-5 in the league.

 

[Vachon23]

No offence but you're kind of delusional if you don't think they'll retire Price's number

I do hope they will but some thinks they won't

Plenty of current HoF players didn't win individual awards or be top-5 in the league.

At there position ? if they where not top 5, they where close.

By exemple, I love ROR but he won't go to the HOF.

 

[NORiculous]

No offence but you're kind of delusional if you don't think they'll retire Price's number

I don’t think it’s that easy to say his number gets retired. He hasn’t won anything.

 

[the]

Suzuki is clearly on track for a Hall of Fame career.

Ryan Poehling was on track for a HOF career after his first game also.

 

[Mackiaveli]

Add Bedard, a superstar 1 RD, and an above average goalie and then I’d say yes

Name literally any team in the NHL that would not be a cup contender adding Bedard, a superstar d-man and a good goalie ... lol?

 

[The Great Weal]

Name literally any team in the NHL that would not be a cup contender adding Bedard, a superstar d-man and a good goalie ... lol?

Well some teams already are Stanley cup contenders, we need those types of players to compete with who they are at the moment.

 

[CHwest]

What?

There are not 4 generational players in the upcoming draft, nor did Tampa Bay and Colorado or even Chicago and Los Angeles have generational players.

Kucherov, Hedman, Makar, McKinnon, Kane, Doughty are arguably one notch below Crosby, Ovechkin, and McDavid.

You put Makar on the wrong side.

Suzuki is clearly on track for a Hall of Fame career.

settle down, bud​

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

You put Makar on the wrong side.

The post of DAChamion was right. Whatever where you put Makar, I mean Bolts, Kings and Hawks won 2 or 3 SC without a single generation player. They had a good mix of very good players, applying a strong system and dedicated to the game. Same happened with Canes, Bruins and Blues when they won the SC.

Being that said, Habs can build a SC winning team without Bédard. Oilers have 3 FOA draft with McDavid, Draisaitl and RNH and they haven't won anything. McDavid is obviously a generation player. A team who wins the SC have more than that. Crosby alone can't win, same with any generation player.

Hockey is a team sport, I will never write it enough, I become redundant, lol.

 

[CHwest]

The post of DAChamion was right. Whatever where you put Makar, I mean Bolts, Kings and Hawks won 2 or 3 SC without a single generation player. They had a good mix of very good players, applying a strong system and dedicated to the game. Same happened with Canes, Bruins and Blues when they won the SC.

Being that said, Habs can build a SC winning team without Bédard. Oilers have 3 FOA draft with McDavid, Draisaitl and RNH and they haven't won anything. McDavid is obviously a generation player. A team who wins the SC have more than that. Crosby alone can't win, same with any generation player.

Hockey is a team sport, I will never write it enough, I become redundant, lol.

I don't think we will have enough good players, we have some and we have some interesting defensemen coming up. But I don't see a sure fire PP QB or a lot of support from the forward group coming up. It is a bad year to play over our heads so to speak.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I don't think we will have enough good players, we have some and we have some interesting defensemen coming up. But I don't see a sure fire PP QB or a lot of support from the forward group coming up. It is a bad year to play over our heads so to speak.

Maybe. At this point, I can't tell. Some says like Antichambre that this team will face some reality and they mean losing games when the hard schedule of late december-febuary comes. They think we played over our head for the moment. We can't be sure where we will draft in '23. There is not only Bedard as you might know.

We'll see but for the moment this team is not boring to watch. This bunch of kids are learning the nhl and they learn how to win. Isn't it good news for you?

 

[CHwest]

Maybe. At this point, I can't tell. Some says like Antichambre that this team will face some reality and they mean losing games when the hard schedule of late december-febuary comes. They think we played over our head for the moment. We can't be sure where we will draft in '23. There is not only Bedard as you might know.

We'll see but for the moment this team is not boring to watch. This bunch of kids are learning the nhl and they learn how to win. Isn't it good news for you?

Well they are fun to watch, but long term, for this year, no not good news.

 

[DAChampion]

Suzuki is clearly on track for a Hall of Fame career.

Did Andrei Markov make the hall of Fame?

I think his skill was high enough, but he fell short in either of hardware or longevity, or both.

It's kind of an elite club.

 

[LaP]

Did Andrei Markov make the hall of Fame?

I think his skill was high enough, but he fell short in either of hardware or longevity, or both.

It's kind of an elite club.

At this point anybody can make the hockey HOF. I mean the bar was set very low with Carbo. It's more a popularity contest than anything. And Markov wont win any popularity contest so he wont make it. But there's a couple of guys in there not much better than he was. Still don't get why Mogilny is not in though i mean that's kind of ridiculous at this point.

 

[the valiant effort]

Did Andrei Markov make the hall of Fame?

I think his skill was high enough, but he fell short in either of hardware or longevity, or both.

It's kind of an elite club.

The only thing that would keep Suzuki out is indeed health. Give Markov back those ~3 prime years lost and he is eventually a HOFer thanks to 1200+ games and 700+ points.

Suzuki is the prototype. The smartest guy on the ice with an elite toolbox. A handful of Selkes, a Conn Smythe, a gold medal or two (that’s the only unlikely one because of the NHL’s gross incompetence) and 1000 points. His plaque is already made.

 

[LaP]

As much as i enjoy watching the kids i really hope we will draft top 10 this year. I feel like drafting top 10 this year is essential and if we are not we might come short like with the last core of Patch, Subban and Price. I hope we will avoid a repeat of 2012-2013. We need our commander Montombeau back.

 

[Gravity]

Nick Suzuki is a Nico Hischier type 1C. If you find the idea of Hischier going to the HoF ridiculous, the same applies for Suzuki.

 

[Walrus26]

Nick Suzuki is a Nico Hischier type 1C. If you find the idea of Hischier going to the HoF ridiculous, the same applies for Suzuki.

Hmm.

Hischier is a good player, but I think Suzuki is starting to show he's more than that, right now. Still, I get the point you're making.

 

[Gravity]

Hmm.

Hischier is a good player, but I think Suzuki is starting to show he's more than that, right now. Still, I get the point you're making.

Hischier is also over a PPG, same draft as Suzuki, young captain, I wouldn't be so sure that he's more than Hischier.

This is also why I think we need a top C in this draft. We need our Hughes equivalent.

 

[LaP]

Hmm.

Hischier is a good player, but I think Suzuki is starting to show he's more than that, right now. Still, I get the point you're making.

Hischier is showing it this season too.

 

[No More Subban]

Voted yes. They show up in the playoffs. Hopefully Slaf can also elevate his game when it matters. But obviously just like any core, they would need a strong bottom 6 to win a game or two in every series.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

No. We're not even close to having a core capable of doing so, and rather than focusing on a rebuild, we're riding high on unsustainable shooting percentages and goaltending that's wasting the season and leading us to yet another decade of mediocrity.

If Suzuki is your first line center, you're not winning a cup unless he's also your fourth best player at most, and that's not taking anything away from Suzuki; he's just a low-end first line center.

 

[BaseballCoach]

The league will adapt. Lots of players come in with a big swish and once the league has a little exposure they figure it out. He is a smurf and when the rule book gets lost so will he. I love watching him play by the way.

Caufield is good at hockey.

If Suzuki is your first line center, you're not winning a cup unless he's also your fourth best player at most, and that's not taking anything away from Suzuki; he's just a low-end first line center.

Not so sure of that. Suzuki is very, very intelligent.

 

[Beige Van]

We can debate what the generational word means if you like. But that was not the intention.

Change the word for superstar if you don’t like the word.

I like to think of those types of players as franchise players. A step below generational. Like the poster above said, the only generational players in the league are Crosby, Ovechkin, and McDavid

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I like to think of those types of players as franchise players. A step below generational. Like the poster above said, the only generational players in the league are Crosby, Ovechkin, and McDavid

Makar

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hischier is also over a PPG, same draft as Suzuki, young captain, I wouldn't be so sure that he's more than Hischier.

This is also why I think we need a top C in this draft. We need our Hughes equivalent.

Interesting comparison between Hischier and Suzuki. I think Suzuki has more potential but we get your point. We need another center. Could be Dach but personally, I like him as a play making winger.