Speculation: Do the Leafs need a temporary goalie?

[Dekes For Days]

The bolded seems to come up often when discussing Dubas.

Despite his moves having very reasonable, easy-to-understand explanations.

 

[Nooodles]

The bolded seems to come up often when discussing Dubas.

...for people who either hate him because of his glasses and being young or simply don't understand (way too complex for them) what he is doing.

He brought in Campbell the first place, who is one of the best goalie in the league ever since that trade, partnered with a goalie who is a good 1B fit and won't be injured all the time.
I hope you guys somehow at least understand this.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I don’t understand how the goaltending situation was managed at all. They paid Mrazek 3.8 for 3 years while saying Campbell will have the starting role until proven otherwise. Mrazek as advertised has been frequently injured. So I don’t know if we need a temporary goalie now, but rather a starter for next year while also factoring in that Mrazek already makes 3.8 on a cash strapped team. Some of Dubas’ decisions really have me wondering wtf he’s thinking

That's because management has proceeded to f*** up the goalie tandem at almost every turn.

There was losing not just Cmac who had a fantastic year but also Calvin Pickard on waivers in one day in order to gift wrap the job to Sparks who would proceed to fail in spectacular fasion.

Then there was Hutch who continues to fail to this day more spectacularly than Sparks ever did, to the point that it's a shock when he actually wins.

Then there was Neuvirth who just straight up quit.

Then there is Campbell who to be fair looks to be Dubas's greatest trade, he will have to stay healthy and hit that 50-55 games mark because that's what legitimate #1 goalie's do but that Campbell trade has been fantastic.

Then we have Marazek it's early but boy does that look like a massive failure so far.

So far when it comes to goaltending Dubas is 1 for 6, looking like 1 for 7 but it's still early with Marazek

It just so happens that, that 1 is playing like a star right now

 

[Judas Tavares]

We should at least see what we have in our prospects before going for an outside hire. At 8-5-1 we can at least give someone a shot at Buffalo and Nashville, neither of whom we're competing with for a playoff spot.

Yep. There is the notion we haven't developed a goalie yet the team and fans seem afraid to give one a start. I get Woll hasn't earned it with his numbers in the AHL. We can wait until he improves his numbers there, but Sparks had superb numbers in the AHL and look what happened. You just don't know what you have til you give them a shot. Yet we seem reluctant to give that shot.

 

[Legion34]

Caps just played fucale. Edmonton played skinner.

having a goalie pipeline right now of

Campbell
Mrazek
Hutch
Kalgren
Woll

is more than good enough. if you don’t have a vasi in net. That’s as good as one can hope for really.

I personally wanted us to try to get a younger 25-26 year old like vanacek or kakkonen. Via expansion but I’m happy we have the inside track on petruzelli.

I also think we should have given kalgren this shot over woll. But that’s for another day. Maybe they are doing a week each

 

[cupcrazyman]

Hutch was the best 3rd string goalie in the NHL last aeason

4-2-1
2.42 GAA
91.9 Save %

 

[aingefan]

Hutch was pretty great last year.
I’m pretty good with him being #3.

 

[Racer88]

We have 5 goaltenders. 1 is injured.

Unfortunately it’s the most expensive one that is injured

 

[aingefan]

Hutch was the best 3rd string goalie in the NHL last aeason

4-2-1
2.42 GAA
91.9 Save %

Beat me to it.

 

[ACC1224]

Hutch was the best 3rd string goalie in the NHL last aeason

4-2-1
2.42 GAA
91.9 Save %

The concern isn't him getting a spot start here and there but being the backup for any considerable length of time.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I don’t understand how the goaltending situation was managed at all. They paid Mrazek 3.8 for 3 years while saying Campbell will have the starting role until proven otherwise. Mrazek as advertised has been frequently injured. So I don’t know if we need a temporary goalie now, but rather a starter for next year while also factoring in that Mrazek already makes 3.8 on a cash strapped team. Some of Dubas’ decisions really have me wondering wtf he’s thinking

If you want to look at that way, then sure. What people who don’t have a bias see is that the team signed a platoon goalie for reasonable cost (did you see other goalie contracts this off-season?) to help Soup out. Jacks never played more than 26 games in a season. Expecting to sign a 1m backup and literally roll the dice on campbells injury/playing history to at this age be a 60+ game starter was foolish.
Mrazek won’t be an issue to move in the off-season.

 

[ottomaddox]

Most are going to say no right off the bat but I'm not so sure.

As it stand Marazek iw out until December, Hutch is travelling with the Marlies and so that means as of now Joseph Woll is scheduled to start vs Buffalo on Saturday unless Keefe loses his mind and starts him Friday against Calgary which would be downright stupid.

Even assuming Woll is starting vs Buffalo I'm not sure you can do that.

I know it's just Buffalo but Woll's AHL numbers are garbage I'm not sure putting him in an NHL game is a good idea even against Buffalo.

If you have to ask the question...

 

[Advanced stats]

I’m happy we have the inside track on petruzelli.

Went to check on him because of this comment. Holy crap he's been incredible in 4 games with the growlers.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Hutch was pretty great last year.
I’m pretty good with him being #3.

The majority of his time here he's been garbage he loses WAY more than he wins.

That's a fact

 

[Nylanderthal]

The concern isn't him getting a spot start here and there but being the backup for any considerable length of time.

4 b2b situations between now and January 5/6. That’s 8 weeks from the retroactive injury date for mrazek. If he takes only 4 weeks there’s one other b2b in that time frame aside from today/tomorrow.
that’s the definition of spot starting.

 

[inthe6ix]

If the Caps had the balls to put Fucale in there last night, we can play Hutch on a b2b in spot duty.. or give Kal a shot, maybe he will do the same.

 

[Havoc]

That's because management has proceeded to f*** up the goalie tandem at almost every turn.

There was losing not just Cmac who had a fantastic year but also Calvin Pickard on waivers in one day in order to gift wrap the job to Sparks who would proceed to fail in spectacular fasion.

Then there was Hutch who continues to fail to this day more spectacularly than Sparks ever did, to the point that it's a shock when he actually wins.

Then there was Neuvirth who just straight up quit.

Then there is Campbell who to be fair looks to be Dubas's greatest trade, he will have to stay healthy and hit that 50-55 games mark because that's what legitimate #1 goalie's do but that Campbell trade has been fantastic.

Then we have Marazek it's early but boy does that look like a massive failure so far.

So far when it comes to goaltending Dubas is 1 for 6, looking like 1 for 7 but it's still early with Marazek

It just so happens that, that 1 is playing like a star right now

This post is confusing. What exactly are you mad at then? For goalies you only need 1 hit. There's only one starter. So...how did they f*** it up if that one hit is now a star goalie ? It's very hard overall to hit on a star starter.

Mrazek signing was smart. Injury unfortunate. Campbell had to prove last season wasn't fluke especially coming off our embarrassing playoff loss. And then if he proves it wasn't a fluke, keep in mind he himself suffered the same fate as Mrazek last season. It would have been idiotic for management to blindly trust Campbell off such a small sample playing the exact same teams.

So if Campbell ended up a fluke, or if Campbell got injured, having Mrazek as your depth option is A+ move overall. That's a luxury fall back option if you guess wrong on Campbell. If you take even 5 minutes to glance over league rosters , unloading Mrazeks cap hit later on shouldn't be an issue. There are a lot of teams who need to inject a Mrazek into their lineup when he's healthy.

The only other route would be ditching both entirely and handing 5+ mil to a Grubauer or 5 exact to a Ullmark. But Campbell is showing now that this route wasn't necessary and then we'd still need a better backup on top of a Grubauer which would have been more expensive overall for Grubauer + Hutch upgrade. Hutch is pretty much dead to them after the Sharks game. Management is savage this year just ask Holl.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

This post is confusing. What exactly are you mad at then? For goalies you only need 1 hit. There's only one starter. So...how did they f*** it up if that one hit is now a star goalie ? It's very hard overall to hit on a star starter.

Mrazek signing was smart. Injury unfortunate. Campbell had to prove last season wasn't fluke especially coming off our embarrassing playoff loss. And then if he proves it wasn't a fluke, keep in mind he himself suffered the same fate as Mrazek last season. It would have been idiotic for management to blindly trust Campbell off such a small sample playing the exact same teams.

So if Campbell ended up a fluke, or if Campbell got injured, having Mrazek as your depth option is A+ move overall. That's a luxury fall back option if you guess wrong on Campbell. If you take even 5 minutes to glance over league rosters , unloading Mrazeks cap hit later on shouldn't be an issue. There are a lot of teams who need to inject a Mrazek into their lineup when he's healthy.

The only other route would be ditching both entirely and handing 5+ mil to a Grubauer or 5 exact to a Ullmark. But Campbell is showing now that this route wasn't necessary and then we'd still need a better backup on top of a Grubauer which would have been more expensive overall for Grubauer + Hutch upgrade. Hutch is pretty much dead to them after the Sharks game. Management is savage this year just ask Holl.

No the other route would have been to go with somebody less injury prone than Marazek because yes you did need another goalie but Marazek has been hurt almost since day 1 this move looks like an absolute failure at this point

 

[Havoc]

No the other route would have been to go with somebody less injury prone than Marazek because yes you did need another goalie but Marazek has been hurt almost since day 1 this move looks like an absolute failure at this point

I think it would help if you gave a concrete alternative. I mean yes everyone will always choose a better alternative if it exists. Are we giving Raanta 2 mil instead? He had even worse injuries than Mrazek when he was around the same age. What do we do if Campbell turned out to be a Jean Sebastian Aubin instead? Mrazek was a good choice given the options and the circumstances.

Mrazek isn't injured forever either. We have a star in the making goalie in the net in the mean time. Imagine if we said Campbell was a failure trade when he injured his leg last year.

 

[Nylanderthal]

This post is confusing. What exactly are you mad at then? For goalies you only need 1 hit. There's only one starter. So...how did they f*** it up if that one hit is now a star goalie ? It's very hard overall to hit on a star starter.

Mrazek signing was smart. Injury unfortunate. Campbell had to prove last season wasn't fluke especially coming off our embarrassing playoff loss. And then if he proves it wasn't a fluke, keep in mind he himself suffered the same fate as Mrazek last season. It would have been idiotic for management to blindly trust Campbell off such a small sample playing the exact same teams.

So if Campbell ended up a fluke, or if Campbell got injured, having Mrazek as your depth option is A+ move overall. That's a luxury fall back option if you guess wrong on Campbell. If you take even 5 minutes to glance over league rosters , unloading Mrazeks cap hit later on shouldn't be an issue. There are a lot of teams who need to inject a Mrazek into their lineup when he's healthy.

The only other route would be ditching both entirely and handing 5+ mil to a Grubauer or 5 exact to a Ullmark. But Campbell is showing now that this route wasn't necessary and then we'd still need a better backup on top of a Grubauer which would have been more expensive overall for Grubauer + Hutch upgrade. Hutch is pretty much dead to them after the Sharks game. Management is savage this year just ask Holl.

He’s mad that the organization doesn’t have a starter quality goalie collecting league min in the AHL.

 

[Nylanderthal]

No the other route would have been to go with somebody less injury prone than Marazek because yes you did need another goalie but Marazek has been hurt almost since day 1 this move looks like an absolute failure at this point

Looking at the other goalie ufa contracts signed who would you of gone after?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think it would help if you gave a concrete alternative. I mean yes everyone will always choose a better alternative if it exists. Are we giving Raanta 2 mil instead? He had even worse injuries than Mrazek when he was around the same age. What do we do if Campbell turned out to be a Jean Sebastian Aubin instead? Mrazek was a good choice given the options and the circumstances.

Mrazek isn't injured forever either. We have a star in the making goalie in the net in the mean time. Imagine if we said Campbell was a failure trade when he injured his leg last year.

I mean you could have brought back Rittich, signed Halak, traded for Kempeur, traded for Nedelkovich (Sp?) Carolina gave him away for essentially nothing.

There were tons of options Dubas went with the most injury prone one there was because his track record with goaltending isn't good even with getting Campbell right.

 

[aingefan]

The majority of his time here he's been garbage he loses WAY more than he wins.

That's a fact

He’s a .500 goalie in his career with a .905 save%, in over 100 games played. Not sure what more you expect from a 3rd goalie.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Looking at the other goalie ufa contracts signed who would you of gone after?

Probably Halak

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

He’s a .500 goalie in his career with a .905 save%, in over 100 games played. Not sure what more you expect from a 3rd goalie.

That's irrelevant to his time here he's nowhere near 500 here and given the talent that has played him here that's unacceptable