Player Discussion: Dmitri Voronkov

[majormajor]

Brian Boyle sighting. There's our future 4C.

I hope Porty is calling those scouts back to rub it in.

Also for f***s sakes Wads you need to sign this guy now.

 

[ViD]

Brian Boyle sighting. There's our future 4C.

I hope Porty is calling those scouts back to rub it in.

Also for f***s sakes Wads you need to sign this guy now.

Fully agree

 

[stevo61]

I wonder if Waddell has a history not signing guys mid season or if he's just focused on Olivier/Provorov/Fabbro and letting the RFAs go until the summer

I've never been a fan of the Boyle comparison if that actually a real comparison. Voronkov might have the potential to score as many goals in a season as Boyle had points. Boyle would have been a better matchup guy

 

[majormajor]

I wonder if Waddell has a history not signing guys mid season or if he's just focused on Olivier/Provorov/Fabbro and letting the RFAs go until the summer

In Carolina they have a history of not signing either UFAs or RFAs and then going into hardball mode in the summer.

That was usually attributed to the owner, not to Waddell, but so far we haven't seen him eager to sign anyone here either.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

My assumption is the bridge deals are a franchise staple (maybe mandated by ownership? Who knows) so I wouldn’t expect voronkov’s deal to change that. 2-3 year deal, and if a bridge is what’s coming, there’s no rush to get it done.

 

[ViD]

 

[stevo61]

In Carolina they have a history of not signing either UFAs or RFAs and then going into hardball mode in the summer.

That was usually attributed to the owner, not to Waddell, but so far we haven't seen him eager to sign anyone here either.

Olivier is the only player he's talked about so far isn't it? I think he'd like that one done atleast

 

[Napoli]

Pay this man whatever he wants, he's worth it. A dying breed in todays NHL

 

[Jovavic]

Pay this man whatever he wants, he's worth it. A dying breed in todays NHL

Caps Protas is a comparable, I'll take that contract for Voronkov

 

[majormajor]

Caps Protas is a comparable, I'll take that contract for Voronkov

Caps' Protas would have been a comparable if Wads signed Voronkov long term last summer. Both had 30 or so points last year. Protas was extended last January at $3.3m per over five years, in a month where he went scoreless.

This year both big men have been phenoms. Voronkov will get significantly more than Protas, perhaps double.

 

[EspenK]

Caps' Protas would have been a comparable if Wads signed Voronkov long term last summer. Both had 30 or so points last year. Protas was extended last January at $3.3m per over five years, in a month where he went scoreless.

This year both big men have been phenoms. Voronkov will get significantly more than Protas, perhaps double.

If Voronkov gets 6.6 I'll be totally shocked. First don't do anything till end of season. If he hits the 60's I'd consider a long term but would still prefer a bridge for 4ish. Let him prove him prove consistency then open the bank.

 

[MoeBartoli]

If Voronkov gets 6.6 I'll be totally shocked. First don't do anything till end of season. If he hits the 60's I'd consider a long term but would still prefer a bridge for 4ish. Let him prove him prove consistency then open the bank.

I’d love Voronkov at 5-5.5 x 5. I don’t know whether or not that could get done.

 

[thebus88]

I take it everyone thinks he skates fast enough to be an NHL player now?? Haha.


He can control the f*** out of the center ice. Neutral zone and around the net.

He’s never gonna beat a guy like Fantilli in a foot race, but, Voronkov is quick enough, and a VERY SMART player, great at anticipation in all aspects, where he really doesn’t get beat or puts himself out of position often.

My main point is I think he might actually be able to “conserve” energy by playing center and controlling the center of the ice, literally and figuratively.

I would like to see Voronkov at C, and Fantilli at W, together.

 

[ViD]

I would like to see Voronkov at C, and Fantilli at W, together

Maybe later in the season when everyone is back from being injured, but right now I would not touch the first line

 

[majormajor]

If Voronkov gets 6.6 I'll be totally shocked. First don't do anything till end of season. If he hits the 60's I'd consider a long term but would still prefer a bridge for 4ish. Let him prove him prove consistency then open the bank.

If he signs a one or two year extension this year then sure, it might not be a ton of money. But long term we have to be realistic. If he's even so much as a 60 pt forward then teams will be throwing $8m+ at him. I'd rather get a long term deal sooner so we can lock him in at a lower number, and frankly this is a player I don't want to risk losing. There will be no replacement.

I’d love Voronkov at 5-5.5 x 5. I don’t know whether or not that could get done.

I think that might be enough - it's hard to say how much risk Voronkov and his agent are willing to take. But another hot month or two on the top line and I think that offer would come up short.

Maybe later in the season when everyone is back from being injured, but right now I would not touch the first line

I liked Fantilli on Monahan's wing so much, I think it might still be a very good topline. But the premise of Voronkov at center is that he would have Marchenko or Chinakhov on his wing, which we can't do right now. Maybe he'd be a good 2C even without them, he's consistently crushed our expectations. Or perhaps Voronkov doesn't score much at 2C and that makes him easier to extend long term.

 

[thebus88]

Maybe later in the season when everyone is back from being injured, but right now I would not touch the first line

The team needs more than 1 line that’s consistently dangerous offensively.

If you want to keep Marchenko-Voronkov together, that’s fine. With the huge loss of Chinakhov, I’d look at some combo of KJ/Fantilli/Olivier to fill out the top 6.

 

[Cheddarcheese]

Voronkov has been such a great surprise the last two years! I think he will not reach his full potential till we make the playoff, he plays hard but I want to see him be a little bit more of a prick with his size

 

[koteka]

I posted this in a game day thread as part of a discussion why Voronkov had a bad night (is it stamina issues, line mate issues, etc.) but it probably belongs here:

Or he is not good on the 2nd game of back to backs. Obviously the team has been generally bad on the 2nd game of back to backs this season, so I don’t know how much better or worse Voronkov is than everyone else. There is also the chicken and egg issue, is Voronkov bad because the team is bad or is the team bad because Voronkov is bad. Anyway, here are the stats:

11/2 0g 0a -2
11/10 0g 0a -2
11/16 0g 0a +0
12/6 0g 0a -1
12/15 1g 0a +1
12/28 0g 0a -1
1/23 1g 0a -1
1/31 0g 0a +0

Voronkov, 2nd game of a back to back: 8 games 2g 0a -6

Voronkov, rest of the season: 35 games 16g 15a +21

 

[ViD]

I posted this in a game day thread as part of a discussion why Voronkov had a bad night (is it stamina issues, line mate issues, etc.) but it probably belongs here:

Or he is not good on the 2nd game of back to backs. Obviously the team has been generally bad on the 2nd game of back to backs this season, so I don’t know how much better or worse Voronkov is than everyone else. There is also the chicken and egg issue, is Voronkov bad because the team is bad or is the team bad because Voronkov is bad. Anyway, here are the stats:

11/2 0g 0a -2
11/10 0g 0a -2
11/16 0g 0a +0
12/6 0g 0a -1
12/15 1g 0a +1
12/28 0g 0a -1
1/23 1g 0a -1
1/31 0g 0a +0

Voronkov, 2nd game of a back to back: 8 games 2g 0a -6

Voronkov, rest of the season: 35 games 16g 15a +21

Probably not ready for such schedule yet, not a common thing in the KHL

 

[MAHJ71]

worth the 5 minutes, a few good laughs... Big Boss & Siberian Tiger

 

[Indy18]

Once again I give props to anyone learning English as their second language. If you think about it English really is such a messed up language with its structure/rules.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

tem No. 2: Big challenge​

The Blue Jackets and Voronkov, a restricted free agent, have started negotiations toward a new contract, and Waddell has plans, he said, to speak with agent J.P. Barry this week. Voronkov has arbitration rights, but both sides would rather avoid that process.

“The good thing there is, we know we’re going to get a contract done, right?” Waddell said. “He’s going to be here. Now, can we work through that process to avoid having to go through an arbitration case? You need two sides to get a deal, but I’ve always felt arbitration was a last resort.”

These are the type of contracts — restricted free agents coming out of entry-level deals — that have caused problems for the Blue Jackets through the years. Sergei Bobrovsky, Ryan Johanson, Pierre-Luc Dubois …

Voronkov is such an interesting case.

At 6-foot-4, 230 pounds, he has surprisingly soft hands and impressively keen anticipation and hockey sense. He moves pretty well for a big man, too. The issue in his first two NHL seasons has been his conditioning. He’s clearly run out of gas late in the last two seasons.

Voronkov was noticeably thinner this past season, but the second-half drop-off was clear. He had 17 goals in his first 32 games and six in his final 41 games.

When asked why Voronkov’s physical game seemed to disappear, too, coach Dean Evason suggested that he wasn’t “getting there” to initiate contact with opponents, especially late in shifts.

It led to an end-of-season heart-to-heart with the player.

“We had a big meeting at the end of the season,” Waddell said. “We didn’t give him a target (weight), but a challenge that he’s not going to play (next season) until he’s in shape.”

Waddell said Voronkov is spending the summer in Moscow, where he’s working with a well-known trainer for NHL players. Waddell, Evason and many others within the Blue Jackets are excited to see what he looks like when he arrives in September for his third NHL camp.

“He doesn’t know how good he can be,” Waddell said. “Or how much money he could make.”

Blue Jackets Sunday Gathering: Building a physical, Panther-like roster

Plus: Dmitri Voronkov's contract situation, Columbus' history in arbitration and more.

www.nytimes.com

 

[ColumbusTrill]

 

[alphafox]

Blue Jackets Sunday Gathering: Building a physical, Panther-like roster

Plus: Dmitri Voronkov's contract situation, Columbus' history in arbitration and more.

www.nytimes.com

That sounds like a bridge deal is coming 100%, I think long vs short is all about how much you trust the player to put the work in and make greatness a habit. I think we will regret doing the bridge because if he keeps going on his current trajectory he could be a 9+Million Player in 3 years. vs signing him now long term at 5.

 

[Viqsi]

That sounds like a bridge deal is coming 100%, I think long vs short is all about how much you trust the player to put the work in and make greatness a habit. I think we will regret doing the bridge because if he keeps going on his current trajectory he could be a 9+Million Player in 3 years. vs signing him now long term at 5.

His current trajectory also includes wearing himself out for the last quarter of the season. I'm not as concerned about a bridge deal.