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Confirmed with Link: DJ Smith fired, Jacques Martin in as interim, Alfie as assistant

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ottawagm said:
At least there are a lot of D in the top of the draft this year. Lets hope we can get a good RHD.
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Agreed.

Thing is that player likely isn't in Ottawa for at least a year, most likely 2 especially for a defensemen.

Until the player makes a positive impact on the NHL roster we're talking about minimum 3 years and most likely 4.

So by the time that player really comes in and has an impact (and the player might not turn into anything at all), we're in the last year of Tkachuk and Chabot contracts.

Dorion's biggest mistakes were trading for Debrincat and trading for Chychrun. It will end up costing this team big time in the future especially if we can't re-sign Chychrun or need to trade a key player to fit him in.

Giroux and Tarasenko soon gone with no one to replace them. No right handed defensemen on the roster other than Zub. Goalies are a question mark. Majority of impact players have injury history.

I'm not super confident in this team ever becoming a real contender.
 
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Chabot injured

Chychrun playing poorly

Sanderson playing not as great as he did earlier

Branny playing well

Hammer - sucking except blocking shots

Zub playing really poorly

JBD - Not as advertised
 
That was a brutal game last night.

All the usual advanced stats....CA, GA, xGA, SCA, HDCA....all bottom 5 in the league over Jacques's 5 games.

If you look at the 5 preceding games, where mgmt said we were trending down and DJ got canned, every single one of those advanced stats was better. Every one. Quite a bit better. And the advanced stats in the preceding 5 games were trending down. The difference between the advanced stats in the first 20 games and the last 5 is shocking.

We have gone from a team that had pretty damn good advanced stats and a W/L record that didn't reflect the stats, to the stats getting a bit worse, to a coaching change, to dropping off a cliff on those advanced stats and our record and play looking like the advanced stats.
 
JD1 said:
That was a brutal game last night.

All the usual advanced stats....CA, GA, xGA, SCA, HDCA....all bottom 5 in the league over Jacques's 5 games.

If you look at the 5 preceding games, where mgmt said we were trending down and DJ got canned, every single one of those advanced stats was better. Every one. Quite a bit better. And the advanced stats in the preceding 5 games were trending down. The difference between the advanced stats in the first 20 games and the last 5 is shocking.

We have gone from a team that had pretty damn good advanced stats and a W/L record that didn't reflect the stats, to the stats getting a bit worse, to a coaching change, to dropping off a cliff on those advanced stats and our record and play looking like the advanced stats.
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Yep.

The Jacques Martin effect was a silly excercise to buy time and find an effective coaching/GM set up for the future. At least shifts are shorter, right?

The only reason they won with Martin is because of the goalie making saves. And some puck luck. Pretty much what DJ needed, and didn't get. Our PK is worst than at any time in the franchise's history. No wonder Tkachuk isn't buying in to the coaching change.

Under DJ, stats were good, no question. But this is due to two goals in 30 seconds, or the same damn mistakes that he could not correct in the 2nd period. From key, dumb plays that have always plagued this team, and he couldn't coach them out of. They would play great for 55 minutes, then lose the game in 5 minutes. And this would make the stats look good.

The same result which was deserving to win, yet somehow they always lose and that DJ couldn't fix...which is why he had to go. Last November they had, what 9 one goal losses, no OT points? Same results again. This team could not make it to overtime like everyone else. DJ , in the end, produced a good analytical shitty team
 
coladin said:
Yep.

The Jacques Martin effect was a silly excercise to buy time and find an effective coaching/GM set up for the future. At least shifts are shorter, right?

The only reason they won with Martin is because of the goalie making saves. And some puck luck. Pretty much what DJ needed, and didn't get. Our PK is worst than at any time in the franchise's history. No wonder Tkachuk isn't buying in to the coaching change.

Under DJ, stats were good, no question. But this is due to two goals in 30 seconds, or the same damn mistakes that he could not correct in the 2nd period. From key, dumb plays that have always plagued this team, and he couldn't coach them out of. They would play great for 55 minutes, then lose the game in 5 minutes. And this would make the stats look good.

The same result which was deserving to win, yet somehow they always lose and that DJ couldn't fix...which is why he had to go. Last November they had, what 9 one goal losses, no OT points? Same results again. This team could not make it to overtime like everyone else. DJ , in the end, produced a good analytical shitty team
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I agree he had to go.

But all this talk we see about them looking better? I'm not seeing it. The guys that tabulate the advanced metrics are definitely not seeing it
 
Guys, we won't have a true assessment on Martin/Alfie's impact for a while... they are working on reprogramming these players/team from years of mismanagement and bad coaching... When you played "the wrong way" for years, it might take a while until you start playing "the right way"

That's what it is, unfortunately. We couldn't afford to go into the offseason with Dorion and into training camp with DJ but we did. Bad luck with the timing of the team's sale
 
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Xspyrit said:
Guys, we won't have a true assessment on Martin/Alfie's impact for a while... they are working on reprogramming these players/team from years of mismanagement and bad coaching... When you played "the wrong way" for years, it might take a while until you start playing "the right way"
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That and the roster just isn't very good
 
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Xspyrit said:
Guys, we won't have a true assessment on Martin/Alfie's impact for a while... they are working on reprogramming these players/team from years of mismanagement and bad coaching... When you played "the wrong way" for years, it might take a while until you start playing "the right way"

That's what it is, unfortunately. We couldn't afford to go into the offseason with Dorion and into training camp with DJ but we had to. Bad luck with the timing of the team's sale
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Expecting there to be a switch when Jacques and Alfie came in is just beyond stupid.

The ship was sinking when they came in. Looking at advanced stats for a small sample is not the intention of using that as a tool . Including the first couple of games is , well see my opening statement. There were some hurt feelings when the change was made. I think that is still lingering.
Adjustments are being made. Jacques talks about them. I am not going to repeat them. There just hasn't been sufficient time for any changes to really take hold with the players.

Last nights game was bad no question. Hanging that on the coaches trying to repair the damage instantly is just hanging on to what was. They were outplayed despite starting ok and taking the lead. Sens did not compete. We have seen that a fair bit this year when the other team offers up resistance they don't feel like matching. You could see them lose composure and start to get away from some things we were starting to see to help them play more cohesively.

I think we should trust Jacques and Alfie to provide this group with the right messaging on playing the right way and improving their details. Will that produce results .. I think we need to give it more of a chance than a handful of games. I think Shooter Smith post game said to give it a month . Also a factor is the lack of practice time playing every 2nd night now. This coaching change when the Sens had all the gaps in the schedule could have been beneficial. The bigger concern to me is the response of the players and the lack of intensity and focus we saw last night. Perhaps the coaching staff should hire a cheer leader to help pump them up... Part of the lessons I am sure that is being imparted is in their mental preparation as pros. It will be a challenge to right the ship. We need the players to stop pouting , grow up and take responsibility. They have a change in coaching and in some tactics and they need to jump in both feet.
 
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Sens of Anarchy said:
Expecting there to be a switch when Jacques and Alfie came in is just beyond stupid.

The ship was sinking when they came in. Looking at advanced stats for a small sample is not the intention of using that as a tool . Including the first couple of games is , well see my opening statement. There were some hurt feelings when the change was made. I think that is still lingering.
Adjustments are being made. Jacques talks about them. I am not going to repeat them. There just hasn't been sufficient time for any changes to really take hold with the players.

Last nights game was bad no question. Hanging that on the coaches trying to repair the damage instantly is just hanging on to what was. They were outplayed despite starting ok and taking the lead. Sens did not compete. We have seen that a fair bit this year when the other team offers up resistance they don't feel like matching. You could see them lose composure and start to get away from some things we were starting to see to help them play more cohesively.

I think we should trust Jacques and Alfie to provide this group with the right messaging on playing the right way and improving their details. Will that produce results .. I think we need to give it more of a chance than a handful of games. I think Shooter Smith post game said to give it a month . Also a factor is the lack of practice time playing every 2nd night now. This coaching change when the Sens had all the gaps in the schedule could have been beneficial. The bigger concern to me is the response of the players and the lack of intensity and focus we saw last night. Perhaps the coaching staff should hire a cheer leader to help pump them up... Part of the lessons I am sure that is being imparted is in their mental preparation as pros. It will be a challenge to right the ship. We need the players to stop pouting , grow up and take responsibility. They have a change in coaching and in some tactics and they need to jump in both feet.
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It's strange. DJ got 2+ years of slack but fck those Martin and Alfie guys after 5 games. Actually it's not strange. It's predictable.
 
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JD1 said:
I agree he had to go.

But all this talk we see about them looking better? I'm not seeing it. The guys that tabulate the advanced metrics are definitely not seeing it
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I think it is a placebo effect. They are just as shit and quit just as easy
 
Loach said:
It's strange. DJ got 2+ years of slack but fck those Martin and Alfie guys after 5 games. Actually it's not strange. It's predictable.
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People have their identity tied up with their defense of their previous regime, so they need to disparage the new regime to salvage their ego/sanity/whatever. We're all Sens fans here, we should all root for the coaching change to bear fruit. If it doesn't, then at least we'll know it wasn't the coach but the roster all along. If this coaching change even just leads to this diagnosis then it was a good decision to make.
 
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DrEasy said:
People have their identity tied up with their defense of their previous regime, so they need to disparage the new regime to salvage their ego/sanity/whatever. We're all Sens fans here, we should all root for the coaching change to bear fruit. If it doesn't, then at least we'll know it wasn't the coach but the roster all along. If this coaching change even just leads to this diagnosis then it was a good decision to make.
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Jacques and Alfie have enough hockey savy to help with that diagnosis if that is the case. Again I think we can trust that.
 
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Sens of Anarchy said:
Jacques and Alfie have enough hockey savy to help with that diagnosis if that is the case. Again I think we can trust that.
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Yeah, what I meant is that if Jacques and Alfie can't turn that thing around, we'll know that two different coaching crew failed, and this absolves both and puts the onus on the roster. We need a change so we could isolate the problem, whether it was coaching or whether it was the roster.

Narrator: "it was both."
 
Do Make Say Think said:
That and the roster just isn't very good
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Individual talent is good but terrible team as a whole

Chabot, Chychrun and Sanderson are all top-pairing D-men, Chabot is a proven #1, Sanderson is still developing but an Elite D-man in the making. Zub has shown he can be an effective defensive D-man. Brannstrom and JBD have shown enough to be reliable 3rd pairing D-men

Stutzle, Batherson, Tkachuk, Giroux, even Norris are first liners, Tarasenko is still a Top-6 forward

Greig and Pinto are great young 2-way centers in development

Joseph is a fantastic bottom-6/middle-6 forward

It gets ugly after these 9 forwards as Kubalik is useless on this team despite proven production in the past.

We don't have a Sorokin but Korpisalo and Forsberg have both proved in the past that they can be solid enough goalies

The amount of individual talent on the team should be well enough to make the playoffs but the team as a whole is much much less than the sum of its parts. We had a GM ho constructed rosters on paper without much understanding of the game and went more by name recognition and we had a coaching staff that thought all these guys to play the wrong way. It's going to take much more than 5 games to fix this
 
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andora said:
He does that while wearing white shoes..

What in the hell
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Xspyrit said:
Individual talent is good but terrible team as a whole

Chabot, Chychrun and Sanderson are all top-pairing D-men, Chabot is a proven #1, Sanderson is still developing but an Elite D-man in the making. Zub has shown he can be an effective defensive D-man. Brannstrom and JBD have shown enough to be reliable 3rd pairing D-men

Stutzle, Batherson, Tkachuk, Giroux, even Norris are first liners, Tarasenko is still a Top-6 forward

Greig and Pinto are great young 2-way centers in development

Joseph is a fantastic bottom-6/middle-6 forward

It gets ugly after these 9 forwards as Kubalik is useless on this team despite proven production in the past.

We don't have a Sorokin but Korpisalo and Forsberg have both proved in the past that they can be solid enough goalies

The amount of individual talent on the team should be well enough to make the playoffs but the team as a whole is much much less than the sum of its parts. We had a GM ho constructed rosters on paper without much understanding of the game and went more by name recognition and we had a coaching staff that thought all these guys to play the wrong way. It's going to take much more than 5 games to fix this
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So we've got 3 top pair D and 5 first line players and we're a bottom end team?
 
Xspyrit said:
Individual talent is good but terrible team as a whole

Chabot, Chychrun and Sanderson are all top-pairing D-men, Chabot is a proven #1, Sanderson is still developing but an Elite D-man in the making. Zub has shown he can be an effective defensive D-man. Brannstrom and JBD have shown enough to be reliable 3rd pairing D-men

Stutzle, Batherson, Tkachuk, Giroux, even Norris are first liners, Tarasenko is still a Top-6 forward

Greig and Pinto are great young 2-way centers in development

Joseph is a fantastic bottom-6/middle-6 forward

It gets ugly after these 9 forwards as Kubalik is useless on this team despite proven production in the past.

We don't have a Sorokin but Korpisalo and Forsberg have both proved in the past that they can be solid enough goalies

The amount of individual talent on the team should be well enough to make the playoffs but the team as a whole is much much less than the sum of its parts. We had a GM ho constructed rosters on paper without much understanding of the game and went more by name recognition and we had a coaching staff that thought all these guys to play the wrong way. It's going to take much more than 5 games to fix this
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....so the team lacks....character?
 
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