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trick9

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g00n said:
Called it a tear as soon as he went down. Was shocked he was allowed to walk off the field. Very reckless, imo.


There was literally no time between the foul, the whistle, and the kick. It was all basically at the same time.
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It was a deliberate foul. He ran full speed and tackled Silva. He knew it was a foul. Referee knew it was a foul. Everyone in the stadium knew it was a foul. He's not going to convince the referee how he thought it was a clean tackle and that the kick was an attempted pass.

Refs aren't stupid. They know what's going on when someone deliberately fouls another player and kicks the ball away.

Like i said. Dumb from Trossard.
 
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It was a deliberate foul. He ran full speed and tackled Silva. He knew it was a foul. Referee knew it was a foul. Everyone in the stadium knew it was a foul. He's not going to convince the referee how he thought it was a clean tackle and that the kick was an attempted pass.

Refs aren't stupid. They know what's going on when someone deliberately fouls another player and kicks the ball away.

Like i said. Dumb from Trossard.
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Nah. Guys play the ball right after a foul ALL THE f***ING TIME.
 
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Nah. Guys play the ball right after a foul ALL THE f***ING TIME.
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Yes. And they are getting booked for it this season since the referees are doubling down on it.

Dermot Gallagher (former PL ref): "No [there can be no complaints], because it's a foul [on Silva], there's no doubt about that. Would the player have have kicked the ball away like that if there was no foul and pause in play?

"Most certainly not because he's not going to pass to Martinelli like that. I feel for him because he's gone to pull out but the damage is already done. "We've already seen it earlier this season that referees are very hard on it this season. He should know better than to do it. The referees have said they'll be hard and fast on it. You could show me one or two where they've got away, but by and large, referees have been very strong on this.

"If one player gets away with it, it's not justification for another player to say 'I'm being punished'."
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I guess I disagree with the premise that he wasn’t passing to/clearing the ball in the direction of Martinelli so he could chase it.

This seems an absurd bar and one I expect to receive new saner guidance after a little while. I understand what they are trying to do but the application is flawed, sadly as expected.
 
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We are going in circles with this argument so have to just agree to disagree and drop it. But i don't mind this rule change. If you ran over someone full speed and kick the ball away trying to score a goal from the half-way line i still prefer it to be a booking because it's obvious time wasting. There are scenarios where the initial foul is questionable and the refs should be more lenient but this was not it.
 
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Until they mark down to the second how much time is "wasted" and needs to be recovered with extra time at the end of a half, and define what "wasting" is in that context, I think it's just fussiness that gives the refs an extra bit of power.
 
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Yes. And they are getting booked for it this season since the referees are doubling down on it.
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The frustrating thing again though is that it's pretty clear they're not

I don't think there's a "conspiracy" against Arsenal and rather they've just gotten unlucky but there's been countless examples of players doing almost the exact same thing or worse and not getting carded for it. Even just from that game, Doku does the same thing in the first half, Silva has a much more deliberate dribble away after a whistle right before the Calafiori goal, Haaland throws the ball at Saliba's head, about 7 or 8 non-captain City players surround the ref to complain after the first goal ...

I'm all for cracking down on time-wasting and tactical fouls, and I think red cards should be given out much more frequently (Lisandro's double footed stomp, Vicario blatantly handling outside the box ... yikes) but it's clear that Prem refs and VAR don't have a consistent idea of to what level they're going to be doing this.

Doing the World Cup thing of just actually tracking stoppage time correctly or automated offsides is a much more elegant solution
 
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Arsenal blowing a golden opportunity with MC losing the lead and tying Newcastle earlier today.

Trossard!

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Was golfing so missed the game...WTF happened to England?
 
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What an embarrassing performance and a brutal watch.

Tactics wise -- I get the thought with the 3 at the back as it theoretically allows for better usage of our more inside wingers/10s but the problem is that our center backs suck and with no Reyna or Pulisic so do our 10s. I think Poch will also learn quickly that you can't roll with a midfield as small and unathletic in Busio/Morris.

Personnel wise it really seems like none of the second tier guys want to play and even if they did just aren't good enough. Busio, Lund, Tillman, and Aaronson especially didn't have the hustle or fight. Ream is just too old at this point, Robinson blows, Sargent just can't get it done for the US. Morris was awful on the ball but at least was willing to get stuck in. I don't think I've ever seen a full 90 as bad as Aaronson's though -- dribbled around constantly, awful passing, no control at all, bailing out of 50-50s -- I was shocked he didn't come off.

I know there were a ton of injuries but I'd love to see some guys that seem like they actually like playing for the team get looks in. Zendejas and Vazquez from today had the fire, would love to see Maloney get another look, bring Cowell in again, Schulte a start in a real game. I'm just tired of seeing the same guys get opportunities and continually put out stinkers.
 
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Might get more into club soccer this year, but the problem is trying to follow Bundesliga, La Liga, Ligue 1, and EPL can be a pain. How do you all keep track of 4 league scores at once?

I have no problem watching, the only issue is keeping track of scores from 4 different leagues at the same time
 
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John Price said:
Might get more into club soccer this year, but the problem is trying to follow Bundesliga, La Liga, Ligue 1, and EPL can be a pain. How do you all keep track of 4 league scores at once?

I have no problem watching, the only issue is keeping track of scores from 4 different leagues at the same time
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Ten Hag out. Finally. Even though I was on his side most of the time. But now it's time.
I saw the 2nd half of Real Barca and it was a real pleasure to watch football again after MU's painful games

I didn't even watch the game against WH yesterday. But on the other side MU had plenty of opportunity in the 1st half yesterday. Not coach's fault if Dalot misses an open net, Garnacho hits the post, ...
 
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Something has been rotten at Old Trafford for a while now. Not sure what it is or who/how to fix it.

Good for Arsenal so by all means, MU, please continue to flail.
 
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