Post-Game Talk: Did you hear the Jets beat CBJ 5-0

[Jet]

In 17-18 I'm pretty sure the Caps won the Cup, beating Vegas after they handed us a 1-4 series loss in the Conference final

Oof you're correct.

 

[bustamente]

I think you see CBJ clean house at the end of the year, the deadline for them should be interesting do they let someone they are planning of getting rid of sell off players or stand pat and let whomever they hire re imagine the team in the off season.

 

[BoneDocUK]

He never had a bad shot. He was a lethal shooter in junior. Like many young players it took him a bit to consistiently find the prime scoring positions and beat NHL goalies.

Yep.

I think the equation went something like small = weak shot.

Just like small = soft, and small = crap along the boards.

Now the kid is sniping while falling, winning board and mid-ice battles against all sorts and making his own luck when he has to en route to maturing into one of the top players from his draft class.

Perfetto = magic.

Nice to see him rewriting all that math.

And weird as that game was it was fun to catch up on, even at 2 AM.

This team.

 

[bustamente]

Bowness has alot to do with this.

It seems the Jets have become the team they hated playing against.

 

[BoneDocUK]

I feel like his eyes are smiling

Or his hair.

 

[Potrzebie]

This team doesn't have as much skill as that team, but its coach is much better than that coach.

Is that the same coach that went to the SCF last year?

 

[surixon]

Just taking a second to appreciate the absolute massive leap that Josh Morrissey took in the last couple years.

He was a top 4 d-man, solid but unspectacular. Hell, Dom had him as one of the worst contracts in the league.

Then bang, Bowness comes in he takes a leap to being a legit top 10 defensemen. A dependable, all situations #1 guy that teams need to be a true cup contender. He always had pedigree but taking that leap was largely unforeseen but exactly what this team needed. Couldn't have happened to a better person either.

It's why even if they are experts, being critical of NHL coaches is warrented. They all are human and have biases. Maurice fell in love with the suppression dmen he needed JoMo to be and wasn't able to see what he could become if played to his strengths. It took another coaching staff to see that and allow him to be that player.

 

[Gm0ney]

Attendance will be driven for the rest of the year by walk ups and which teams so up, the marketing department sights now should be on capitalizing on this years success by getting as many corporations, businesses and the general population as possible to get as ST's for next year and depend less on walks up.

Marketing should be offering some 2nd-half season ticket packs + a season seat commitment for next year with the playoff ticket discount carrot for this year. Fill the arena down the stretch and lock in for next year. Or with a commitment to season tickets next year, you get a discount on available playoff tickets this year. Capitalize on the excitement of having a contender. Strike while the iron is hot. Maybe add some carrots for businesses if that's the segment they want to grow (I dunno...free jersey with your business name - or whatever - on the back for each seat commitment, limited free graphic ad in on the ribbon or scoreboard if that's available).

 

[Gil Fisher]

That doesn't make much sense to me. The league office isn't a profit center. They just take in enough money to cover their costs. Any additional money taken in would be distributed to their shareholders. I.e the owners.

It's redistributed along with all other central revenues.

 

[Romang67]

Find someone who loves you the way expected goals stats love Connor Hellebuyck.

 

[surixon]

It's redistributed along with all other central revenues.

So then the team still will get a chunk of it back.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Interesting comment, and you could well be right - I guess you are. An extra 30 % of playoff revenues is still a nice bonus tho.

What I'd like to know is this -- if anybody knows ??

1) How much of a teams revenues comes from TV revenues ? as I heard the greatest percentage comes from this area ?

2) Is there revenue sharing, for clubs that are struggling ? so the clubs that are making big money, give a percentage to struggling teams ?

3) When a franchise is sold ( like Seattle) what percentage would each team receive from that sale ? I heard the Jets received $ 25 million, on the Seattle sale.

4) Are there any other revenue streams I'm missing ??

Be interesting to know how the pie is split up ?

The point about 70% of playoff gate being central revenue was a surprise to me too. I was chatting in Toronto last spring with a Partner for an International Sports Management firm that does a lot of work with the NHL. That's where it came from. I'm 80% confident in the source.

1. there are local TV contracts and ones negotiated at the league office. I think teams keep their local TV revenue. Overall, ticket revenue (gate) accounts for a little over a third of league revenues, but the split team to team would be quite variable as the local TV contracts would vary considerably.

2. The revenue sharing is that central revenue sources - 70% playoff gate, national TV and streaming rights, merchandising (most goes central and team only retains a retail margin at their stores and maybe a small royalty), league-wide sponsorship/advertising - are split evenly across the league.

3. Franchise fees are split evenly amongst the owners. It is excluded from revenue for the purposes of determining the salary cap (ie players don't get a cut, but they get $100m per year of more jobs)

4. That's about it.

Got some of my info from this article .

So then the team still will get a chunk of it back.

Yes. I think we've probably done quite well over the years.

We are increasingly less dependent on our own regular season gate. But it is still very important.

 

[Jaytee]

Ok I'm thinking it, so I'm gonna say it (no jinx):

Are we witness to the best NHL hockey team in the history of Winnipeg?

The 84-85 Jets finished with 96 points and lost in 4 straight to the Oilers juggernaught after thumping the Flames in the first round. You may remember that that pos Jamie Macoun viciously crosschecked Hawerchuk in the ribs and knocked him out of the Oilers series.

The 17-18 Jets finished with 114 points and lost in the Conference final 1-4 against the Knights.

This team is on a 119 point pace, and dare I say it's playing a better style of hockey than the 17-18 team.

We're more structured, and better defensively. The 17-18 team used scoring more to win games.

I think we are seeing the best NHL team in the history of Winnipeg.

The 2017-18 team was special, but they had weaknesses. What pulled them through, I think, was Dustin Byfuglien. I don't think the league (and even a lot of Jets fans) fully appreciate is what an immense game-changer he was. In some ways he was the most impactful player in the league, and certainly the one guy that could not be duplicated. Taking nothing away from the McDavids and Draisaitls, but the fact remains that there will always...always...be some guy that comes along to break the previous superstar's scoring records. I'm not sure that even Gretzky's records will stand forever.

A handful of players, on the other hand, make an impact that can't be duplicated, and I'm not sure that there will ever be another Dustin Byfuglien, for better and for worse.

Byfuglien changed games, in both directions. When he was good he made the team unbeatable, but he also had boneheaded moments that cost the team dearly; it was part of his charm and excitement - you never knew for sure what you were going to get.

His complete dominance hid a lot of sloppiness and less-than-stellar defensive play on the team. This year's team doesn't have Byfuglien, but it also doesn't have that sloppiness. I've never seen a more disciplined, tight Winnipeg Jets team.

There's still half a season to go, and anything can happen, so I'm not predicting anything, but right now, at this time, there is no team in the NHL that can be counted on to beat the Winnipeg Jets.

Can they keep it up? Who knows? If they can continue to play like this, and stay healthy, I don't think their current style of hockey can be beaten in a seven game series. By anyone. But I'm also not sure that any team can consistently play like that for a whole season. I hope so.

 

[surixon]

I think we are seeing the best NHL team in the history of Winnipeg.

The 2017-18 team was special, but they had weaknesses. What pulled them through, I think, was Dustin Byfuglien. I don't think the league (and even a lot of Jets fans) fully appreciate is what an immense game-changer he was. In some ways he was the most impactful player in the league, and certainly the one guy that could not be duplicated. Taking nothing away from the McDavids and Draisaitls, but the fact remains that there will always...always...be some guy that comes along to break the previous superstar's scoring records. I'm not sure that even Gretzky's records will stand forever.

A handful of players, on the other hand, make an impact that can't be duplicated, and I'm not sure that there will ever be another Dustin Byfuglien, for better and for worse.

Byfuglien changed games, in both directions. When he was good he made the team unbeatable, but he also had boneheaded moments that cost the team dearly; it was part of his charm and excitement - you never knew for sure what you were going to get.

His complete dominance hid a lot of sloppiness and less-than-stellar defensive play on the team. This year's team doesn't have Byfuglien, but it also doesn't have that sloppiness. I've never seen a more disciplined, tight Winnipeg Jets team.

There's still half a season to go, and anything can happen, so I'm not predicting anything, but right now, at this time, there is no team in the NHL that can be counted on to beat the Winnipeg Jets.

Can they keep it up? Who knows? If they can continue to play like this, and stay healthy, I don't think their current style of hockey can be beaten in a seven game series. By anyone. But I'm also not sure that any team can consistently play like that for a whole season. I hope so.

This team has weaknesses as well, namely poor special teams.

The 17-18 team boasted more talent, excellent cycle offense (best in league) and a top 5 PP.

We are on a heater and playing excellent defensive hockey but there are still areas we need to iron out if we want to go on as long or longer of a run then the 17-18 team.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Missed the game but those were fkn impressive highlights

This team is dictating the style of play... definitely not playing down to their opponent now

Schmidt seems to be back in form

This team has weaknesses as well, namely poor special teams.

The 17-18 team boasted more talent, excellent cycle offense (best in league) and a top 5 PP.

We are on a heater and playing excellent defensive hockey but there are still areas we need to iron out if we want to go on as long or longer of a run then the 17-18 team.

A lot of warts on that 17-18 team were covered by the PP... this team is far better

 

[Brominator]

'Closer to perfection': Blue Jackets marvel at front-running Winnipeg Jets

He's not surprised, but Columbus forward Jack Roslovic is a little sad he's not part of this powerful Winnipeg Jets team anymore. Read more.

winnipegsun.com

“It’s almost sad to say that you could have… that you could have been a part of (it),” Roslovic said.

...Says the guy that asked to be traded.

 

[Channelcat]

Just taking a second to appreciate the absolute massive leap that Josh Morrissey took in the last couple years.

He was a top 4 d-man, solid but unspectacular. Hell, Dom had him as one of the worst contracts in the league.

Then bang, Bowness comes in he takes a leap to being a legit top 10 defensemen. A dependable, all situations #1 guy that teams need to be a true cup contender. He always had pedigree but taking that leap was largely unforeseen but exactly what this team needed. Couldn't have happened to a better person either.

Josh had no creativity in his game whatsoever. Always just doing the easy outlet, making the safe play that accomplished very little. This new Josh Morrissey is something completely different. It's amazing really. In my opinion he is best overall D in the entire league.

 

[surixon]

'Closer to perfection': Blue Jackets marvel at front-running Winnipeg Jets

He's not surprised, but Columbus forward Jack Roslovic is a little sad he's not part of this powerful Winnipeg Jets team anymore. Read more.

winnipegsun.com

“It’s almost sad to say that you could have… that you could have been a part of (it),” Roslovic said.

...Says the guy that asked to be traded.

Yup, grass isn't always greener.

 

[Gm0ney]

Interesting comment, and you could well be right - I guess you are. An extra 30 % of playoff revenues is still a nice bonus tho.

What I'd like to know is this -- if anybody knows ??

1) How much of a teams revenues comes from TV revenues ? as I heard the greatest percentage comes from this area ?

2) Is there revenue sharing, for clubs that are struggling ? so the clubs that are making big money, give a percentage to struggling teams ?

3) When a franchise is sold ( like Seattle) what percentage would each team receive from that sale ? I heard the Jets received $ 25 million, on the Seattle sale.

4) Are there any other revenue streams I'm missing ??

Be interesting to know how the pie is split up ?

1) Broadcast revenues - there are local deals (like TSN and CJOB) that are probably $20M-$30M per season for the Jets. They would get all of that I think. National deals - the Sportsnet deal averages about $433M/year and the Canadian teams see a larger share of that revenue but I don't recall how much larger...but say something like $15M/year for a Canadian team). The US national TV deals are about $650M/year - so that's about $20M per team if it's split evenly. So the Jets get about $55M from TV revenues. This is probably about the same as they get from ticket sales.

2) Yes, but I'm not sure of the formula. The Top 10 pay into revenue sharing and the rest get a piece of that revenue.

3) Yes, expansion (and relocation) fees are split between the existing franchises (although Vegas didn't get a share of the Seattle expansion fee IIRC).

4) Yes, lots. Sponsorship revenue is huge: $1.4B in 2022-23 - that's local sponsorship and league sponsorships, so it's not a simple $43.75M per team, but some of the local money would filter down from the Top 10 revenue teams via the formula in point 2) and league sponsorship deals would be split. Low end is probably $20M?

The 70% of playoff gate the league takes is split as well - about $200M/season ($6.25M/team).

Merchandise licensing is also league revenue. So the Jets get a little piece of every Leafs jersey sale. No idea what that adds up to.

Basically, with a 50-50 revenue split between owners and players and the current revenue sharing, even the weakest teams should be able to make a go of it...

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

Team needs a promo if jets get a shutout into the third period. Trying to keep a shutout is probably my favourite part of watching games.

Free towels or something similar.

 

[surixon]

Josh had no creativity in his game whatsoever. Always just doing the easy outlet, making the safe play that accomplished very little. This new Josh Morrissey is something completely different. It's amazing really. In my opinion he is best overall D in the entire league.

It was coached out of him as Maurice wanted a safe defensive minded dmen when JoMo made the team.

 

[MelikeJets]

He doesn't get much love here, because he isn't flashy and doesn't put up a lot of points. I usually end up watching the opposing team's broadcast, and gets a lot more praise there. The Coyotes' broadcast group didn't stop talking about that line, and how they matched against the other team's top lines night after night, and continuously 'tilted the ice' in the Jets' favour. The Boston crew talked about the luxury of having that line to send out when you needed to 'change the pace' of the game, after a momentum swing. San Jose's crew mentioned Lowry became the Captain, because he is an example of a guy that never takes a shift off, and is always there for a teammate.

Lowry = perfect playoff player

 

[JetsFan815]

It's weird that on paper this team is no way near to that of the 17-18 team but the on ice results (by both traditional and fancy metrics) are right up there with that team.

 

[Romang67]

I'd like Brossoit to get more games in. If Hellebuyck can play less than 60 games this season, that'd be great.

 

[surixon]

It's weird that on paper this team is no way near to that of the 17-18 team but the on ice results (by both traditional and fancy metrics) are right up there with that team.

It might be because while we may not have as much talent as 17-18, the players we have are a little more rounded then what we had then.