Prospect Info: Devils Win #2 Overall -- Slafkovsky vs. Jiricek vs. Nemec

[WingsMJN2965]

I really dunno where else to put this on the team board.

I'm curious, if #2OA is available, (And I'm not saying it is or should be) what would NJD fans ask from Detroit to swap #2 for #8?

The idea of moving up to #2 and grabbing Cooley is extremely enticing, but I really dunno how it gets done, as Detroit's additions to #8 would either mean a massive overpayment or a massive underpayment.

You can safely assume Seider/Larkin/Raymond/Edvinsson/Cossa are off the table. And I don't think any futures like Zadina/Veleno/Rasmussen/Berggren/Soderblom/Johansson/Wallinder really move the needle all that much for NJD.

Like I said, the idea is interesting from a Detroit point of view, I just don't know what gets us there.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Had a weird dream that Montreal took Cooley and then we traded the pick for a huge package that included Kadri for some reason

 

[Emperoreddy]

I really dunno where else to put this on the team board.

I'm curious, if #2OA is available, (And I'm not saying it is or should be) what would NJD fans ask from Detroit to swap #2 for #8?

The idea of moving up to #2 and grabbing Cooley is extremely enticing, but I really dunno how it gets done, as Detroit's additions to #8 would either mean a massive overpayment or a massive underpayment.

You can safely assume Seider/Larkin/Raymond/Edvinsson/Cossa are off the table. And I don't think any futures like Zadina/Veleno/Rasmussen/Berggren/Soderblom/Johansson/Wallinder really move the needle all that much for NJD.

Like I said, the idea is interesting from a Detroit point of view, I just don't know what gets us there.

Doesn't seem doable based on what you think is off-limits. Devils will want to be blown away to trade this pick otherwise they just draft and take their player

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Doesn't seem doable based on what you think is off-limits. Devils will want to be blown away to trade this pick otherwise they just draft and take their player

Fair enough.

For what it's worth though, I think if they're expecting value along the lines of #8 + Seider/Larkin/Raymond/Edvinsson/Cossa, they're probably gonna be drafting with the pick. (Which is fine, and that's probably why we never see Top 5 picks traded)

I probably wouldn't trade any of those guys alone, save for Cossa for #2 this year. But I'm not as high on 2022 as most draft classes either.

 

[StevenToddIves]

I really dunno where else to put this on the team board.

I'm curious, if #2OA is available, (And I'm not saying it is or should be) what would NJD fans ask from Detroit to swap #2 for #8?

The idea of moving up to #2 and grabbing Cooley is extremely enticing, but I really dunno how it gets done, as Detroit's additions to #8 would either mean a massive overpayment or a massive underpayment.

You can safely assume Seider/Larkin/Raymond/Edvinsson/Cossa are off the table. And I don't think any futures like Zadina/Veleno/Rasmussen/Berggren/Soderblom/Johansson/Wallinder really move the needle all that much for NJD.

Like I said, the idea is interesting from a Detroit point of view, I just don't know what gets us there.

Devils aren't "shopping" #2 overall, and if they moved down it would likely be in a spot where they could still draft one of the RD duo of Jiricek/Nemec or Cutter Gauthier -- all three of whom will likely be gone by #8 overall. Also, you're correct that none of the B and C level prospects you mentioned would really be of much interest to NJ, except maybe Veleno and his value isn't exactly stratospheric right now. So unfortunately, I just don't see a trade match with Detroit.

 

[OmNomNom]

Fair enough.

For what it's worth though, I think if they're expecting value along the lines of #8 + Seider/Larkin/Raymond/Edvinsson/Cossa, they're probably gonna be drafting with the pick. (Which is fine, and that's probably why we never see Top 5 picks traded)

I probably wouldn't trade any of those guys alone, save for Cossa for #2 this year. But I'm not as high on 2022 as most draft classes either.

yeah, doubt we'll meet the valuation you'd propose either. steve Y is a shrewd man, so idk what he'd give. that off-limits core is pretty enticing though

 

[StevenToddIves]

Fair enough.

For what it's worth though, I think if they're expecting value along the lines of #8 + Seider/Larkin/Raymond/Edvinsson/Cossa, they're probably gonna be drafting with the pick. (Which is fine, and that's probably why we never see Top 5 picks traded)

I probably wouldn't trade any of those guys alone, save for Cossa for #2 this year. But I'm not as high on 2022 as most draft classes either.

To be honest with you, I think there's a great chance Detroit takes Marco Kasper. He's an Yzerman-type pick all the way -- a fast, high-compete center who plays a smart, two-way game with skill. He's very underrated for superficial reasoning -- much as with Moritz Seider and Lucas Raymond. He'd be a great grab for the Wings at #8 overall and very quickly give Detroit an incredible 1/2 punch at center with Larkin.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Devils aren't "shopping" #2 overall, and if they moved down it would likely be in a spot where they could still draft one of the RD duo of Jiricek/Nemec or Cutter Gauthier -- all three of whom will likely be gone by #8 overall. Also, you're correct that none of the B and C level prospects you mentioned would really be of much interest to NJ, except maybe Veleno and his value isn't exactly stratospheric right now. So unfortunately, I just don't see a trade match with Detroit.

Oh yeah, I'm not saying they are, just that there's been a lot of murmuring.

I honestly don't know what Veleno would add to NJD considering they're already well built down the middle with Hughes/Hischier/Mercer. His value drops if you're going to use him as a winger, which NJD almost certainly would.

Honestly, I think Berggren and Soderblom would be near value, but I don't expect NJD to see it that way, or to bet on prospects to drop 6 spots. I think Berggren is gonna be a new Nyquist for Detroit.

yeah, doubt we'll meet the valuation you'd propose either. steve Y is a shrewd man, so idk what he'd give. that off-limits core is pretty enticing though

Hence why it's off limits.

Maybe I just have the opposite of shiny toy syndrome (Whatever that is) but I don't see anybody after Wright that has higher potential than Seider/Raymond/Edvinsson, and Detroit would be up shit creek without a paddle without Larkin. (Our Top two centers would be Pius Suter and Rasmussen...)

To be honest with you, I think there's a great chance Detroit takes Marco Kasper. He's an Yzerman-type pick all the way -- a fast, high-compete center who plays a smart, two-way game with skill. He's very underrated for superficial reasoning -- much as with Moritz Seider and Lucas Raymond. He'd be a great grab for the Wings at #8 overall and very quickly give Detroit an incredible 1/2 punch at center with Larkin.

Yep. Kasper is who I'm kinda expecting and he fits Yzerman's mold to a tee, like you said. He loves his high-compete level/Upstanding character players, and everything Kasper is described as fits that.

That being said, I also remember everybody thinking Detroit was definitely taking Wallstedt last year. I think Kasper makes way more sense, as he fills our greatest need by far, whereas Wallstedt wasn't anywhere near worth 6th, and Detroit still needed defense and centers at that time. But it just goes to show you where the consensus can be way off. (Considering Detroit didn't take Wallstedt at 6, traded up to 15, and then took Cossa over Wallstedt)

One thing is for sure, if Detroit does pick Kasper, it wont be without the blessing of Hakan Andersson.

Sorry, I don't mean to highjack the thread with Detroit talk, just multiple replies I wanted to hit.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Oh yeah, I'm not saying they are, just that there's been a lot of murmuring.

I honestly don't know what Veleno would add to NJD considering they're already well built down the middle with Hughes/Hischier/Mercer. His value drops if you're going to use him as a winger, which NJD almost certainly would.

Honestly, I think Berggren and Soderblom would be near value, but I don't expect NJD to see it that way, or to bet on prospects to drop 6 spots. I think Berggren is gonna be a new Nyquist for Detroit.



Hence why it's off limits.

Maybe I just have the opposite of shiny toy syndrome (Whatever that is) but I don't see anybody after Wright that has higher potential than Seider/Raymond/Edvinsson, and Detroit would be up shit creek without a paddle without Larkin. (Our Top two centers would be Pius Suter and Rasmussen...)


Yep. Kasper is who I'm kinda expecting and he fits Yzerman's mold to a tee, like you said. He loves his high-compete level/Upstanding character players, and everything Kasper is described as fits that.

That being said, I also remember everybody thinking Detroit was definitely taking Wallstedt last year. I think Kasper makes way more sense, as he fills our greatest need by far, whereas Wallstedt wasn't anywhere near worth 6th, and Detroit still needed defense and centers at that time. But it just goes to show you where the consensus can be way off. (Considering Detroit didn't take Wallstedt at 6, traded up to 15, and then took Cossa over Wallstedt)

One thing is for sure, if Detroit does pick Kasper, it wont be without the blessing of Hakan Andersson.

Sorry, I don't mean to highjack the thread with Detroit talk, just multiple replies I wanted to hit.

The devils have played Mercer on Hughes wing a decent bit and me and some other people on here like him better there. So if he stays there which I hope he does one because he’s good there and two because he’s too good to be a 3C, our 3C position immediately becomes somewhat open. Jesper Boqvist is kind of the lone man trying to prove himself in that spot and he had a strong finish to the season and he has some some skill but I think we would welcome some competition from another solid young center in Veleno. So I could see Veleno having some value to the devils as a potential long-term 3C option. Would he fit in that type of role?

 

[My3Sons]

The devils have played Mercer on Hughes wing a decent bit and me and some other people on here like him better there. So if he stays there which I hope he does one because he’s good there and two because he’s too good to be a 3C, our 3C position immediately becomes somewhat open. Jesper Boqvist is kind of the lone man trying to prove himself in that spot and he had a strong finish to the season and he has some some skill but I think we would welcome some competition from another solid young center in Veleno. So I could see Veleno having some value to the devils as a potential long-term 3C option. Would he fit in that type of role?

I think the premise was moving from 2 to 8 in the draft? In that hypothetical you'd probably want more than a guy who offers a 3C option?

 

[Captain3rdLine]

I think the premise was moving from 2 to 8 in the draft? In that hypothetical you'd probably want more than a guy who offers a 3C option?

Oh ya 100%. Just talking about Veleno. Not saying that’s what it would take.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Oh yeah, I'm not saying they are, just that there's been a lot of murmuring.

I honestly don't know what Veleno would add to NJD considering they're already well built down the middle with Hughes/Hischier/Mercer. His value drops if you're going to use him as a winger, which NJD almost certainly would.

Honestly, I think Berggren and Soderblom would be near value, but I don't expect NJD to see it that way, or to bet on prospects to drop 6 spots. I think Berggren is gonna be a new Nyquist for Detroit.



Hence why it's off limits.

Maybe I just have the opposite of shiny toy syndrome (Whatever that is) but I don't see anybody after Wright that has higher potential than Seider/Raymond/Edvinsson, and Detroit would be up shit creek without a paddle without Larkin. (Our Top two centers would be Pius Suter and Rasmussen...)


Yep. Kasper is who I'm kinda expecting and he fits Yzerman's mold to a tee, like you said. He loves his high-compete level/Upstanding character players, and everything Kasper is described as fits that.

That being said, I also remember everybody thinking Detroit was definitely taking Wallstedt last year. I think Kasper makes way more sense, as he fills our greatest need by far, whereas Wallstedt wasn't anywhere near worth 6th, and Detroit still needed defense and centers at that time. But it just goes to show you where the consensus can be way off. (Considering Detroit didn't take Wallstedt at 6, traded up to 15, and then took Cossa over Wallstedt)

One thing is for sure, if Detroit does pick Kasper, it wont be without the blessing of Hakan Andersson.

Sorry, I don't mean to highjack the thread with Detroit talk, just multiple replies I wanted to hit.

The org has been pretty consistent that it's going to take a certain level of high end player to part with the 2nd overall.

They are open to it, but not for B prospects or some kind of voltron deal. Team will want a high end core piece to part with the pick

Quantity isn't what the team wants right now. They want quality.

 

[OmNomNom]

Oh yeah, I'm not saying they are, just that there's been a lot of murmuring.

I honestly don't know what Veleno would add to NJD considering they're already well built down the middle with Hughes/Hischier/Mercer. His value drops if you're going to use him as a winger, which NJD almost certainly would.

Honestly, I think Berggren and Soderblom would be near value, but I don't expect NJD to see it that way, or to bet on prospects to drop 6 spots. I think Berggren is gonna be a new Nyquist for Detroit.



Hence why it's off limits.

Maybe I just have the opposite of shiny toy syndrome (Whatever that is) but I don't see anybody after Wright that has higher potential than Seider/Raymond/Edvinsson, and Detroit would be up shit creek without a paddle without Larkin. (Our Top two centers would be Pius Suter and Rasmussen...)


Yep. Kasper is who I'm kinda expecting and he fits Yzerman's mold to a tee, like you said. He loves his high-compete level/Upstanding character players, and everything Kasper is described as fits that.

That being said, I also remember everybody thinking Detroit was definitely taking Wallstedt last year. I think Kasper makes way more sense, as he fills our greatest need by far, whereas Wallstedt wasn't anywhere near worth 6th, and Detroit still needed defense and centers at that time. But it just goes to show you where the consensus can be way off. (Considering Detroit didn't take Wallstedt at 6, traded up to 15, and then took Cossa over Wallstedt)

One thing is for sure, if Detroit does pick Kasper, it wont be without the blessing of Hakan Andersson.

Sorry, I don't mean to highjack the thread with Detroit talk, just multiple replies I wanted to hit.

i really think the top 3 (wright, slaf, cooley) could blow up soon and look to have more potential. at the time of their drafts, i don't think anyone expected seider or raymond to become what they are already

I think the premise was moving from 2 to 8 in the draft? In that hypothetical you'd probably want more than a guy who offers a 3C option?

yeah we already have hischier for 3C anyway

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Holy shit and this is after playing for 2 weeks straight in the world championships. One of the heaviest players in the league already.

 

[glenwo2]

Holy shit and this is after playing for 2 weeks straight in the world championships. One of the heaviest players in the league already.

And the Habs will have no choice but to draft Wright basically "forcing" Slaf to the Devils.

 

[Devs3cups]

And the Habs will have no choice but to draft Wright basically "forcing" Slaf to the Devils.

Don’t be so sure hehe. No seriously I’m 85% sure MTL goes Wright, but I’m kind of preparing mentally for them to pick Slaf. I’d be glad with Wright, but I really, really like what I’ve seen from Slaf so, fingers crossed.

Doubt MTL risks this though.

 

[The Wumpus]

Holy shit and this is after playing for 2 weeks straight in the world championships. One of the heaviest players in the league already.

What a unit. When was the last time a F was drafted at that size?

When the moon hits Juraj... it bounces off.

 

[JimEIV]

Holy shit and this is after playing for 2 weeks straight in the world championships. One of the heaviest players in the league already.

229? That's unbelievable. He looked kind of skinny in his combine interview. At least I didn't think he looked "big". Maybe he had a few beers before he was weighed?

 

[devilsfan35]

Damn he's as big as Blackwood. Can he play goalie?

 

[Captain3rdLine]

229? That's unbelievable. He looked kind of skinny in his combine interview. At least I didn't think he looked "big". Maybe he had a few beers before he was weighed?

Ya that’s crazy for an 18 year old who’s an elite athlete.
Already one of the biggest players in the NHL at 18. And the all of the guys around his size except for Ovi are either goalies or big slow footed guys. He isn’t slow footed and he’s very skilled. Just goes to how rare of a player he is.

Damn he's as big as Blackwood. Can he play goalie?

Bigger*

 

[Devs3cups]

Ya that’s crazy for an 18 year old who’s an elite athlete.
Already one of the biggest players in the NHL at 18. And the all of the guys around his size except for Ovi are either goalies or big slow footed guys. He isn’t slow footed and he’s very skilled. Just goes to how rare of a player he is.


Bigger*

Are you getting worried MTL go for him, or still pretty convinced they’re going #1 Canadian C in Wright?

 

[Captain3rdLine]

What a unit. When was the last time a F was drafted at that size?

When the moon hits Juraj... it bounces off.

It’s possible never. Ovechkin is around that weight but it looks like he was around 200lbs when he was drafted.

Are you getting worried MTL go for him, or still pretty convinced they’re going #1 Canadian C in Wright?

I honestly don’t know. I’m just hoping that Montreal doesn’t take him and we do.

 

[Oneiro]

Goal celebrations with Slaf would result in more trips to the IR for Jack.

 

[Devs3cups]

I honestly don’t know. I’m just hoping that Montreal doesn’t take him and we do.

I’m pretty sure they’ll go 1C here, but either way, we’re getting a great prospect, so I try to think about it objectively.

 

[goonybird]

Maybe Montreal takes Cooley and defers the Wright vs Slafkovsky debate to us lol