Prospect Info: Devils Win #2 Overall -- Slafkovsky vs. Jiricek vs. Nemec

[My3Sons]

The more I think about it, the more I want Gauthier...

Does your significant other know about this?

 

[LeedsMonster]

Does your significant other know about this?

She's down

 

[JimEIV]

Are you really being objective comparing players who are 3+ years apart in age?

There are 3 rookies in front of him in goals, two are from his draft class (2020), drafted after him, the other is from the year before (2019) his draft, taken at the bottom of the first round. Those are his peers.

In points he is the 9th AHL Rookie with 3 others from his draft class in front of him. .all drafted after him.

There was nothing "special" about his season. Certainly it was a very good season. But when talk like "2nd best all-time" or "you have to have a very good shot to score that many goals* happens..... it's nonsense.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

 

[Guttersniped]

Are you really being objective comparing players who are 3+ years apart in age?

You’re looking in the wrong place. You want “objective”, go buy some telescope lens or something.

It’s official, magically instantly agreed upon “extensions” make everyone worth the 2OA, even injury riddled wingers who turn 34 in November.

 

[My3Sons]

Can you at least warn those of us with children before you roll that out onto the board, please.

 

[Devs3cups]

There are 3 players in front of him in goals, two are from his draft class taken after him the other is the year before take at the bottom of the first round. Those are his peers.

In points he is the 9th Rookie with 3 others from his draft class in front of him. .all drafted after him.

There was nothing special about his season. Certainly it was a very good season. But when talk like "2nd best all-time" or "you have to have a very good shot to score that many goals* happens..... it's nonsense.

Out of the 3 players in front of him in goals, only 1 objectively had a better season goalscoring wise and that's Quinn. He had a real good season.

Pelletier had 1 more goal in 14 more games than Holtz.
Peterka had 2 more goals in 18 more games than Holtz.

Don't you think that with the same amount of games as those guys, Holtz would've ended up #1 in rookie goals this season? I don't think that's unreasonable.



In the PPG category, Holtz had the 4th best PPG in the rookie top 9 you point out.

For example, Rossi had 1 more point than him, so he's in front in the rankings, but he had 11 more games played than Holtz this season.

Reichel had 6 more points in 4 more games, they have a very similar PPG on the season. Other than Quinn and an older Maccelli (never heard of him before, intriguing one), I don't see how anyone had that much of a better season than Holtz.

 

[Guttersniped]

I seen this as well, and something needs to be said about mentality. Puljujarvi’s struggles were very public. I am sure blame can be spread to both management and the player. Plus, playing in the Edmonton bubble probably didn’t help. It can be the media but Puljujarvi’s reaction to adversity was less than stellar.

Slaf left his home years ago to chase his dream and to improve. Slaf struggled this season but his play kept him in the top 10 conversation and once he broke out, he hasn’t looked back.

Puljujärvi had knee surgery in May 2016 which impacted the start of his rookie season.

He had a congenital (?) hip problem that led to double hip surgery in February 2019.

His player development path was pretty rough, he’s only played 259 NHL regular season games.

Puljujärvi selling point was his speed (for a big man), he didn’t always do the best things but he did move fast. It was his speed plus size that people found so tantalizing.

 

[JimEIV]

Out of the 3 players in front of him in goals, only 1 objectively had a better season goalscoring wise and that's Quinn. He had a real good season.

Pelletier had 1 more goal in 14 more games than Holtz.
Peterka had 2 more goals in 18 more games than Holtz.

Don't you think that with the same amount of games as those guys, Holtz would've ended up #1 in rookie goals this season? I don't think that's unreasonable.



In the PPG category, Holtz had the 4th best PPG in the rookie top 9 you point out.

For example, Rossi had 1 more point than him, so he's in front in the rankings, but he had 11 more games played than him this season.

Reichel had 6 more points in 4 more games, they have a very similar PPG on the season. Other than Quinn and an older Maccelli (never heard of him before, intriguing one), I don't see how anyone had that much of a better season than Holtz.

No, none of the prominent 2020's had much better or worse seasons than each other ...

That is precisely my point. He performed just like his peers did

 

[Guttersniped]

Out of the 3 players in front of him in goals, only 1 objectively had a better season goalscoring wise and that's Quinn. He had a real good season.

Pelletier had 1 more goal in 14 more games than Holtz.
Peterka had 2 more goals in 18 more games than Holtz.

Don't you think that with the same amount of games as those guys, Holtz would've ended up #1 in rookie goals this season? I don't think that's unreasonable.



In the PPG category, Holtz had the 4th best PPG in the rookie top 9 you point out.

For example, Rossi had 1 more point than him, so he's in front in the rankings, but he had 11 more games played than him this season.

Reichel had 6 more points in 4 more games, they have a very similar PPG on the season. Other than Quinn and an older Maccelli (never heard of him before, intriguing one), I don't see how anyone had that much of a better season than Holtz.

 

[Devs3cups]

No, none of the prominent 2020's had much better or worse seasons than each other ...

That is precisely my point. He performed just like his peers did

Yes, I agree he performed very similarly to his peers, but maybe those performances were really good for him and his peers by AHL history standards. Reichel, Holtz and Peterka had the 5th, 7th and 8th best PPG 19 year old seasons in AHL history respectively. To me, that's impressive.

There's some pretty good company under them also, including Bergeron, Vrana, Elias, F. Forsberg, Okposo, Fiala, Kapanen, J.T Miller, Zibanejad, etc.

Now sure, there's a difference across eras and years, but, that to me, represents a very good season for Alex, I don't really care about what the other guys did (even though they did perform very well). You see that differently though and that's fine, it gave me the opportunity to read up on that Maccelli kid, intriguing prospect for sure!

 

[JimEIV]

Yes, I agree he performed very similarly to his peers, but maybe those performances were really good for him and his peers by AHL history standards. Reichel, Holtz and Peterka had the 5th, 7th and 8th best PPG 19 year old seasons in AHL history respectively. To me, that's impressive.

There's some pretty good company under them also, including Bergeron, Vrana, Elias, F. Forsberg, Okposo, Fiala, Kapanen, J.T Miller, Zibanejad, etc.

Now sure, there's a difference across eras and years, but, that to me, represents a very good season for Alex, I don't really care about what the other guys did (even though they did perform very well). You see that differently though and that's fine, it gave me the opportunity to read up on that Maccelli kid, intriguing prospect for sure!

Can we just stop with the best in AHL history stuff. It really is stupid... that's what I have been taking exception to.

It's like saying Billy Madison has the best car of any 3rd grader.

 

[Ripshot 43]

You better have immediately unfollowed that account after seeing that crap

 

[Captain3rdLine]

You better have immediately unfollowed that account after seeing that crap

I don’t follow either account but the account that posted it basically just posts other peoples dumb trade proposals. That’s why it’s called insane fan trades. It’s mostly Habs and Canucks 2nd overall proposals right now.

 

[Devs3cups]

I don’t follow either account but the account that posted it basically just posts other peoples dumb trade proposals. That’s why it’s called insane fan trades. It’s mostly Habs and Canucks 2nd overall proposals right now.

I saw Jeff Petry and CGY's 1st for the 2 OA. That one almost drove me nuts.

 

[Guttersniped]

You better have immediately unfollowed that account after seeing that crap

I assume “Insane Fan Trades” collects the worst trades on Twitter, of which there are endless supply of.

JFresh, for some unknown reason, asked for trade proposals (I think it was during the last TDL) and they were all impossibly awful. And he had to nicely reply, and explain in non-mocking way, why they were all bad lol. (I mean, he didn’t have to, but he’s Canadian.)

 

[Captain3rdLine]

I assume “Insane Fan Trades” collects the worst trades on Twitter, of which there are endless supply of.

JFresh, for some unknown reason, asked for trade proposals (I think it was during the last TDL) and they were all impossibly awful. And he had to nicely reply, and explain in non-mocking way, why they were all bad lol. (I mean, he didn’t have to, but he’s Canadian.)

Most of the insane fan trades are 2nd overall proposals from Canucks and Hand fans.

 

[Saugus]

Between these insane Habs fan Twitter proposals (that are somehow even worse than those on the trade board here at HF), and the random drop-in accounts or online writers with "sources" who tell us what Devils and/or Habs management are supposedly planning to do, I really can't wait for the draft to get here yet.

 

[Devs3cups]

Between these insane Habs fan Twitter proposals (that are somehow even worse than those on the trade board here at HF), and the random drop-in accounts or online writers with "sources" who tell us what Devils and/or Habs management are supposedly planning to do, I really can't wait for the draft to get here yet.

Officially 1 month from now... should get here pretty quick.

 

[Guttersniped]

Most of the insane fan trades are 2nd overall proposals from Canucks and Hand fans.

Just when I think Vancouver fans make the worst proposals Habs fans come gunning for their traditional spot.

 

[My3Sons]

Between these insane Habs fan Twitter proposals (that are somehow even worse than those on the trade board here at HF), and the random drop-in accounts or online writers with "sources" who tell us what Devils and/or Habs management are supposedly planning to do, I really can't wait for the draft to get here yet.

I’m sure NJ will be happy to take Josh Anderson a second and a C+ prosect for the second overall. Who wouldn’t want that?

 

[Saugus]

I’m sure NJ will be happy to take Josh Anderson a second and a C+ prosect for the second overall. Who wouldn’t want that?

It's no Ryder, Halak, and a 2nd, but I'd consider it.

 

[Hollywood Nosebleed]

These trade proposals are starting to rival the Finnish/Ranger Kakko trolls, and we still have a way to go, which is saying A LOT.

 

[glenwo2]

According to sources, the Devils are leaning towards one of Jiricek or Slafkovsky. Don't be shocked if it's Big Dave,

Most of us will be if it's Dave.

C'mon now...

BTW, my sources (which consist of the neighborhood dog, the mailman, and the cashier from the local grocery store) say the Devils are leaning towards Slaf and ONLY Slaf.

See? I got "sources", too.

(what that all means? It means you have no sources. Only opinions like the rest of us on who the Devils select)

 

[Hisch13r]

The closer we get the more I’ve slowly shifted towards Cooley over Jiricek. Probably still go Jiricek but it’s close to even. It’s one of those 2 for me