Confirmed with Link: Devils waive Cory Schneider

[NJDevs26]

it was a well received trade at the time... it didn't work out the way anyone had hoped..

Yeah the way Cory’s career went here (and knowing that Lou made the deal realizing 17 was gone) forever mars what seemed to be an all time classic Rock moment with the draft day trade announcement.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Here we go again. This is just like the Ray debate.

Cory did nothing special for this franchise. He had some great stats but they didn’t translate to wins...how much blame you want to lay on him for it can vary but that is the reality. How many times can you honestly say he stole a win for this team, like truly stole it? Maybe a handful of times, if that. I have a hard time categorizing anything or anyone’s performance involved in that much losing as “great”.

 

[OmNomNom]

it was a well received trade at the time... it didn't work out the way anyone had hoped..

eh yeah, that's true, but we still got a starter goalie out of it. i guess you gotta wonder who would've replaced marty full time. also probably would've had marty end his career with us instead.

 

[aero8279]

it was a well received trade at the time... it didn't work out the way anyone had hoped..

Sounds like Hall for Larsson when Hall is traded before the deadline. I'm kidding, well sort of.

 

[NJDevs26]

eh yeah, that's true, but we still got a starter goalie out of it. i guess you gotta wonder who would've replaced marty full time. also probably would've had marty end his career with us instead.

He basically did, six games is nothing, like Joe Namath with the Rams.

Unfortunately Cory ‘pushing’ Marty out forever tainted him with a segment of the fan base, just like with Ray pushing Lou out causing that segment to reflex-hate Ray.

 

[NJDevils17]

Cory did what he had to, it’s not his fault he was surrounded by a dumpster fire.

 

[OmNomNom]

Here we go again. This is just like the Ray debate.

Cory did nothing special for this franchise. He had some great stats but they didn’t translate to wins...how much blame you want to lay on him for it can vary but that is the reality. How many times can you honestly say he stole a win for this team, like truly stole it? Maybe a handful of times, if that. I have a hard time categorizing anything or anyone’s performance involved in that much losing as “great”.

that's a strawman argument vic, no one's saying he was great. he had great performances from time to time and was an average starter goalie with us. was amazing in his playoff series with us. overall good guy. it just blows my mind that people aren't willing to just wish the guy well, and recognize how shitty this situation is for a solid person

 

[billingtons ghost]

Yeah the way Cory’s career went here (and knowing that Lou made the deal realizing 17 was gone) forever mars what seemed to be an all time classic Rock moment with the draft day trade announcement.

Still would've been my favorite draft day out of all of them,... until, well,... you know.

 

[guitarguyvic]

that's a strawman argument vic, no one's saying he was great. he had great performances from time to time and was an average starter goalie with us. was amazing in his playoff series with us. overall good guy. it just blows my mind that people aren't willing to just wish the guy well, and recognize how ****ty this situation is for a solid person

There are people in this three literally saying he was great in his first three years here.

He put up very good save percentage numbers. He was not “great”. That word should never be associated with anyone involved in that much losing, regardless of specific stats that get touted in a vacuum.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

Wouldn’t an injury be preferable from a team standpoint? They could LTIR him in theory, insurance would presumably pick up the cost of the contract and and would save them from long term dead money.

I think you play him in Bingo. One of three things can a happen. 1.) he improves and gets his game back to where it is salvageable and maybe you can convince a team to take a chance on him (long shot). 2.) He plays poorly and you buy him out (they are already presumably comfortable with this option) 3.) See above with him getting injured.

Contrary to popular opinion a player has to be injured to go on LTIR. The league does look into these things. When players are LTIRed due to bad backs they do not get a "Doctors note" to say their back hurts, the team has imaging studies that show the player to be hurt. And contrary to what posters here think about Hossa, Hossa chose to retire and he would win a disability case in the real world every time given the drug he was taking and it was clear his work environment was causing the problem. I never see mention of the Devils saying Cory is physically injured with imaging studies to back it up.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Here we go again. This is just like the Ray debate.

Cory did nothing special for this franchise. He had some great stats but they didn’t translate to wins...how much blame you want to lay on him for it can vary but that is the reality. How many times can you honestly say he stole a win for this team, like truly stole it? Maybe a handful of times, if that. I have a hard time categorizing anything or anyone’s performance involved in that much losing as “great”.

look at some of the rosters he was playing in front of in his first 1-2 years here. You really expected him to steal tons of games?

and he actually DID steal his fair share of games at that point, you just choose not to remember it

He also played awesome in his biggest games as a Devil in the playoffs against Tampa

 

[billingtons ghost]

He basically did, six games is nothing, like Joe Namath with the Rams.

Unfortunately Cory ‘pushing’ Marty out forever tainted him with a segment of the fan base, just like with Ray pushing Lou out.

I think that is what Cory fans like to think and say - but for most folks, like myself, I was fully ready to engage in loving the guy 'til death if he could just play well enough to win hockey games.
For me - any criticism of him was solely based upon the holes in his game that never seemed to improve (is that on Tererri and Rollie?) and the inexplicable presentation of SV% as his only redeemer -- gold standard proof that it was 'just bad luck' as opposed to something he could have done about it.

 

[Japam]

wonder if it'll be weird at home with Hughes living there

Lil' y getting the master bedroom with Mrs. S and Cory getting the guest room with the futon.

 

[Triumph]

There are people in this three literally saying he was great in his first three years here.

He put up very good save percentage numbers. He was not “great”. That word should never be associated with anyone involved in that much losing, regardless of specific stats that get touted in a vacuum.

He was great. He was involved in that much losing because the team was outright trash in front of him, they would've been the worst team in the league or damn near close if not for his play. And he never complained about that, not one time. There's a goalie who used to play here who would not have been able to keep his mouth shut.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Lil' ****y getting the master bedroom with Mrs. S and Cory getting the guest room with the futon.

Sounds like the start of a sitcom. I see a GDT in your future.

 

[OmNomNom]

There are people in this three literally saying he was great in his first three years here.

He put up very good save percentage numbers. He was not “great”. That word should never be associated with anyone involved in that much losing, regardless of specific stats that get touted in a vacuum.

"great his first 3 years" isn't the same as calling him great in general, though. and he was great his first 3 years here.

in those first 3 seasons, here are the goalie stats, top 10 by sv%

only carey price had a lower GAA, and out of all those goalies, cory was 6th for GP. he's among some amazing company. do you want to debate that?

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Go back and look at the 2014-15 roster and tell me it was Schneider's fault that they "didn't win games"

Henrique led the team in scoring with FORTY THREE points. 43!!! For the entire year!

 

[Blackjack]

look at some of the rosters he was playing in front of in his first 1-2 years here. You really expected him to steal tons of games?

and he actually DID steal his fair share of games at that point, you just choose not to remember it

He also played awesome in his biggest games as a Devil in the playoffs against Tampa

He simultaneously did not steal us games and also cost us McDavid and Matthews.

 

[billingtons ghost]

He was great. He was involved in that much losing because the team was outright trash in front of him, they would've been the worst team in the league or damn near close if not for his play. And he never complained about that, not one time. There's a goalie who used to play here who would not have been able to keep his mouth shut.

He was a great, elite, supreme puckstopper, but only a good goalie. He rolled his eyes - that was the most you got out of him. I don't remember any goalie complaining about the team put in front of him, although Kinkaid sure seemed to be pretty upset some of the times.

 

[OmNomNom]

He simultaneously did not steal us games and also cost us McDavid and Matthews.

you can't blame him for literally doing his job if he was a shit goalie, then we'd be bashing him for being shit. i'm fine with arguing "stealing games", but throw this weird argument out

 

[JimEIV]

He was great. He was involved in that much losing because the team was outright trash in front of him, they would've been the worst team in the league or damn near close if not for his play. And he never complained about that, not one time. There's a goalie who used to play here who would not have been able to keep his mouth shut.

How could you possibly know this? He never lost.

 

[Blackjack]

you can't blame him for literally doing his job if he was a **** goalie, then we'd be bashing him for being ****. i'm fine with arguing "stealing games", but throw this weird argument out

Sorry, I was pointing out the absurdity of the argument. Should have used a sarcasm emoji.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Very sad for him, he seems like a good dude...but I never want to see him play again as Devil. He is toast.

 

[OmNomNom]

Sorry, I was pointing out the absurdity of the argument. Should have used a sarcasm emoji.

haha sorry, can't tell what's serious and what's not nowadays

 

[guitarguyvic]

He was great. He was involved in that much losing because the team was outright trash in front of him, they would've been the worst team in the league or damn near close if not for his play. And he never complained about that, not one time. There's a goalie who used to play here who would not have been able to keep his mouth shut.

I’m not saying it was Cory’s fault outright. I just don’t think we can conclude that he was “great” when this so-called greatness involves losing constantly.

This is the same argument about coaching and managing. At some point you have to look beyond a few narrow positive details and judge the individual on the actual overall results.

To me Cory’s a career here was a big bag of air. He put up a good save percentage while losing a shot ton of games. Then he became the worst goalie in the league by a country mile. Completely forgettable.