Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - season begins!

[NjDevsRR]

Nemec looking like Cillan Murphy in the first 5 seconds

 

[Billdo]

I'm sure when the defensive issues aren't magically gone with the arrival of Hughes and Pesce this board will remain rational and calm.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I'm actually surprised at the level of thoughtfulness on both the optimism and pessimism side right now. It doesn't seem like a flame war. I think there is validity to both viewpoints. There is reason to believe they can turn it around, but enough very recent history to be reason for legitimate concern.

I think both sides are bringing up valid points and this board does a pretty damn good job not to get into their feels when discussing stuff from what I've seen. I've seen other subs turn into all out flame wars lol

 

[Hisch13r]

Praise the lawd!


I think Nemec will improve, but he's not there yet. AHL time will help him get better.

Kovacevic isn't an elite defenseman but he is a solid #4/5 IMO. Nemec isn't there at the moment.

Kovy isn’t an elite Dman but he’s played pretty damn elite hockey to start the year. You ride him while he’s hot. You don’t rotate him with the guy who has flat out been bad so far.

 

[Hisch13r]

You do rotate if you're serious about developing a guy who will increase the potential for this team more than Kovacevic will. Not to say Nemec has to play every game over Kovacevic (or they can run 11-7) but its something that'll be beneficial in the long run. Also they have 4 games in 6 nights and they have a pretty condensed schedule coming up until Nov 16 so a d rotation to keep guys fresh would probably be beneficial.

Also it hasn't been the easiest ride for Nemec either so some grace should be given - 20 year old in his 2nd NHL season and under his 3rd NHL head coach already and started off the season paired with a right handed rookie defenseman.

There's also another option to keep both Kovacevic and Nemec in the lineup if Pesce could get up to speed quick and they're okay with trying a R-R pairing again with Hamilton: (either running 11-7 or taking Dillon out of the lineup):

Pesce-Hamilton
Siegenthaler-Kovacevic
Hughes-Nemec
Dillon


But all this is going to be moot when someone else gets injured knowing how it goes lol

You do not rotate arguably the best D for the guy who has been the worst D. That’s not f***ing serious. You wait for Kovacevic’s game to inevitably fall back down before rotating him with the guy who has not been good at all yet.

 

[Guttersniped]

well going by last year off the top of my head the rangers predators caps all new coaches all great seasons

They didn’t all start out great out of the gate.

Also none of the coaches got wildly different results than previous seasons, Carbery had the biggest turn around in terms of points.

Not to say that points say everything.

Burnette certainly made the Preds more offensively dynamic (at during last season lol).

The Rags were very dependent on special teams & goaltending under Gallant and Laviolette has (unfortunately) improved the Rags overall game quite a bit.


Preds’ 23-24 Start (10/10/23-11/14/23)
Note: GD -8

Rest of the season: GD +29

Spoiler: Nashville’s last 3 Seasons

21-22 (w/ Hynes)
45-30-7/ 5th in Central
97 points/ 1st Rd loss to COL (0-4)

22-23 (w/ Hynes)
42-32-8/ 5th in Central
92 points/ missed playoffs

23-24 (w/ Brunnette)
47-30-5/4th in Central
99 points/ 1st Rd loss to VAN (2-4)

The Caps 23-24 meh start was shorter as they had a 5 game win streak in mid-November. That streak was helped by a soft portion of Caps’ schedule that started with *sob* us.

Cap’s 23-24 start
10/13/23-11/8/23: GD -10

Rest of the season: GD -27 lol

Spoiler: Washington’s last 3 seasons

Last 3 seasons for WSH:
21-22 (w/ Laviolette)
44-26-12/ 4th in Metro
100 points/ 1st Rd loss to FLA (2-4)

22-23 (w/ Laviolette)
35-37-10/ 6th in Metro
80 points/ missed playoffs

23-24 (w/ Carbery)
40-31-11/ 4th in Metro
91 points/ 1st Rd loss to NYR (0-4)

The Rangers had a great start but teams that win the Presidents Trophy tend to win a lot all year.*

They were helped by their special teams as usual. (And Quick’s weirdly great start helped.)

10/12/24- 12/3/24: +21

Then they improved 5v5 as the year went on.
GD: +33

Spoiler: NY Rag’s last 3 seasons

21-22 (w/ Gallant)
52-24-6 / 2nd in Metro
110 points/ ECF loss to TBL (2-4)

22-23 (w/ Gallant)
47-22-13/ 3rd in Metro
107 points/ 1st Rd loss to NJD (3-4)

23-24 (w/ Laviolette)
56-23-4/ President’s Trophy
114 points/ ECF loss to FLA (2-4)

*For no particular reason, I will point out that 114 points is a little low for a Presidents Trophy winner.

Spoiler: Past Pres Trophy winners w/ same or less pts

*82 GP & Loser Point Era only*

23-24 NY Rags 56-23-4 114 pts
22-23 BOS 135 pts
22-21 FLA 122 pts
*
*
18-19 TBL 128 pts
17-18 NSH 117 pts
16-17 WSH 118 pts
15-16 WSH 120 pts
**Note: 15-16 OT goes 3v3**
14-15 NY Rags 53-22-7 113 pts
13-14 BOS 117 pts
*
11-12 Vancouver 51-22-9 111 pts
10-11 VAN 117 pts
09-10 WSH 121 pts
08-09 SJS 117 pts
07-08 DET 115 pts
06-07 Buffalo 53-22-7 113 pts
05-06 DET 124 pts
** Note: 05-06 End of ties as SO start**
03-04 Detroit 48-21-11-2 109 pts
02-03 Ottawa 52-21-8-1 113 pts
01-02 DET 116 pts
00-01 COL 118 pts
99-00 St Louis 51-19-11-1 114 pts
**Note: 99-00 Start of the OT loser point**

 

[Xirik]

I need to see Nemec without casey as his partner for a bit longer before throwing any shade.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Absolutely No One:

@Guttersniped :

 

[Guadana]

They didn’t all start out great out of the gate.

Also none of the coaches got wildly different results than previous seasons, Carbery had the biggest turn around in terms of points.

Not to say that points say everything.

Burnette certainly made the Preds more offensively dynamic (at during last season lol).

The Rags were very dependent on special teams & goaltending under Gallant and Laviolette has (unfortunately) improved the Rags overall game quite a bit.


Preds’ 23-24 Start (10/10/23-11/14/23)
Note: GD -8
View attachment 920886
Rest of the season: GD +29
View attachment 920890

Spoiler: Nashville’s last 3 Seasons

21-22 (w/ Hynes)
45-30-7/ 5th in Central
97 points/ 1st Rd loss to COL (0-4)

22-23 (w/ Hynes)
42-32-8/ 5th in Central
92 points/ missed playoffs

23-24 (w/ Brunnette)
47-30-5/4th in Central
99 points/ 1st Rd loss to VAN (2-4)

The Caps 23-24 meh start was shorter as they had a 5 game win streak in mid-November. That streak was helped by a soft portion of Caps’ schedule that started with *sob* us.

Cap’s 23-24 start
10/13/23-11/8/23: GD -10
View attachment 920903
Rest of the season: GD -27 lol
View attachment 920906

Spoiler: Washington’s last 3 seasons

Last 3 seasons for WSH:
21-22 (w/ Laviolette)
44-26-12/ 4th in Metro
100 points/ 1st Rd loss to FLA (2-4)

22-23 (w/ Laviolette)
35-37-10/ 6th in Metro
80 points/ missed playoffs

23-24 (w/ Carbery)
40-31-11/ 4th in Metro
91 points/ 1st Rd loss to NYR (0-4)

The Rangers had a great start but teams that win the Presidents Trophy tend to win a lot all year.*

They were helped by their special teams as usual. (And Quick’s weirdly great start helped.)

10/12/24- 12/3/24: +21View attachment 920910

Then they improved 5v5 as the year went on.
GD: +33
View attachment 920913

Spoiler: NY Rag’s last 3 seasons

21-22 (w/ Gallant)
52-24-6 / 2nd in Metro
110 points/ ECF loss to TBL (2-4)

22-23 (w/ Gallant)
47-22-13/ 3rd in Metro
107 points/ 1st Rd loss to NJD (3-4)

23-24 (w/ Laviolette)
56-23-4/ President’s Trophy
114 points/ ECF loss to FLA (2-4)

*For no particular reason, I will point out that 114 points is a little low for a Presidents Trophy winner.

Spoiler: Past Pres Trophy winners w/ same or less pts

*82 GP & Loser Point Era only*

23-24 NY Rags 56-23-4 114 pts
22-23 BOS 135 pts
22-21 FLA 122 pts
*
*
18-19 TBL 128 pts
17-18 NSH 117 pts
16-17 WSH 118 pts
15-16 WSH 120 pts
**Note: 15-16 OT goes 3v3**
14-15 NY Rags 53-22-7 113 pts
13-14 BOS 117 pts
*
11-12 Vancouver 51-22-9 111 pts
10-11 VAN 117 pts
09-10 WSH 121 pts
08-09 SJS 117 pts
07-08 DET 115 pts
06-07 Buffalo 53-22-7 113 pts
05-06 DET 124 pts
** Note: 05-06 End of ties as SO start**
03-04 Detroit 48-21-11-2 109 pts
02-03 Ottawa 52-21-8-1 113 pts
01-02 DET 116 pts
00-01 COL 118 pts
99-00 St Louis 51-19-11-1 114 pts
**Note: 99-00 Start of the OT loser point**

Im happy to see you are making your stuff. Great avatar btw

 

[dgibb10]

You take Kovacevic's start as a great bonus but you don't design the roster keeping that in mind.

Long term:

Luke-Pesce
Siegs-Hamilton
Dillon-Nemec

Or if you have some real balls play Luke and Nemec together.

They played 175 minutes together last year. In that time NJD outscored the opponents 9-4, and were 11-7 on xGoals share.

 

[Deviled]

I also like the play of Kovacevic and think he brings an element this team needs.. but I cant have us toying around with Nemec's development

Not sure how to handle that but, either way, he needs consistent playing time... maybe send him down for 20+ATOI in Utica? Almost seems better than bottom pair minutes and splitting games with Kovacevic

 

[JrFischer54]

They didn’t all start out great out of the gate.

Also none of the coaches got wildly different results than previous seasons, Carbery had the biggest turn around in terms of points.

Not to say that points say everything.

Burnette certainly made the Preds more offensively dynamic (at during last season lol).

The Rags were very dependent on special teams & goaltending under Gallant and Laviolette has (unfortunately) improved the Rags overall game quite a bit.


Preds’ 23-24 Start (10/10/23-11/14/23)
Note: GD -8
View attachment 920886
Rest of the season: GD +29
View attachment 920890

Spoiler: Nashville’s last 3 Seasons

21-22 (w/ Hynes)
45-30-7/ 5th in Central
97 points/ 1st Rd loss to COL (0-4)

22-23 (w/ Hynes)
42-32-8/ 5th in Central
92 points/ missed playoffs

23-24 (w/ Brunnette)
47-30-5/4th in Central
99 points/ 1st Rd loss to VAN (2-4)

The Caps 23-24 meh start was shorter as they had a 5 game win streak in mid-November. That streak was helped by a soft portion of Caps’ schedule that started with *sob* us.

Cap’s 23-24 start
10/13/23-11/8/23: GD -10
View attachment 920903
Rest of the season: GD -27 lol
View attachment 920906

Spoiler: Washington’s last 3 seasons

Last 3 seasons for WSH:
21-22 (w/ Laviolette)
44-26-12/ 4th in Metro
100 points/ 1st Rd loss to FLA (2-4)

22-23 (w/ Laviolette)
35-37-10/ 6th in Metro
80 points/ missed playoffs

23-24 (w/ Carbery)
40-31-11/ 4th in Metro
91 points/ 1st Rd loss to NYR (0-4)

The Rangers had a great start but teams that win the Presidents Trophy tend to win a lot all year.*

They were helped by their special teams as usual. (And Quick’s weirdly great start helped.)

10/12/24- 12/3/24: +21View attachment 920910

Then they improved 5v5 as the year went on.
GD: +33
View attachment 920913

Spoiler: NY Rag’s last 3 seasons

21-22 (w/ Gallant)
52-24-6 / 2nd in Metro
110 points/ ECF loss to TBL (2-4)

22-23 (w/ Gallant)
47-22-13/ 3rd in Metro
107 points/ 1st Rd loss to NJD (3-4)

23-24 (w/ Laviolette)
56-23-4/ President’s Trophy
114 points/ ECF loss to FLA (2-4)

*For no particular reason, I will point out that 114 points is a little low for a Presidents Trophy winner.

Spoiler: Past Pres Trophy winners w/ same or less pts

*82 GP & Loser Point Era only*

23-24 NY Rags 56-23-4 114 pts
22-23 BOS 135 pts
22-21 FLA 122 pts
*
*
18-19 TBL 128 pts
17-18 NSH 117 pts
16-17 WSH 118 pts
15-16 WSH 120 pts
**Note: 15-16 OT goes 3v3**
14-15 NY Rags 53-22-7 113 pts
13-14 BOS 117 pts
*
11-12 Vancouver 51-22-9 111 pts
10-11 VAN 117 pts
09-10 WSH 121 pts
08-09 SJS 117 pts
07-08 DET 115 pts
06-07 Buffalo 53-22-7 113 pts
05-06 DET 124 pts
** Note: 05-06 End of ties as SO start**
03-04 Detroit 48-21-11-2 109 pts
02-03 Ottawa 52-21-8-1 113 pts
01-02 DET 116 pts
00-01 COL 118 pts
99-00 St Louis 51-19-11-1 114 pts
**Note: 99-00 Start of the OT loser point**

listen i'll take your word for it since I hadn't watched a single game of any of those teams. thats great though so there is hope that sheldon can get these guys to compete and try harder and not to give up if you give up two goals. so far that hasn't been the case i can only judge what they have shown.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

Please stop while you are where you are. Don't add more ....to this. Thanks

I'll add whatever I want. Thanks

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

I'm sure when the defensive issues aren't magically gone with the arrival of Hughes and Pesce this board will remain rational and calm.

My response to this will be similar to what @Devs3cups posted somewhere. If we can't discredit wins against bad teams, why are people using good teams to prop up this team.

Similarly, a lot of people are claiming this team's issues are magnified by the loss of Hughes and Pesce. I think people have every right to be pissed still if they don't "fix" it with the logic some people have in here.

I personally don't think it has anything to do with them. The team is just not playing well as a whole.