Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part XXIV

[Guttersniped]

How great is this!!!

That’s supposed to be a Nico Hischier bobblehead? Somehow?

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Well Ty wont get that chance to show he's better outside of camp, until the season starts. So how good does Ty have to be in order to be better than Bahl, if hes also succeeding?

Thats where I differ. I think, unless we are seriously considering moving Ty, if both play even in camp Ty will get the nod due to his potential being slightly higher (as we see it today, maybe thats not the case).

Ty hasn't spent any time in the A, had a great rookie season, and just went through a pretty serious sophomore slump. If we are to project any sort of season for Bahl, one would expect that he'd also have some struggles over the next two years and thus Ty may be further along in that steep development curve.

We will see come training camp but Im not sure it will give us enough information to make the case for either or being better (unless one just has a bad camp). And Bahl will always be more appealing than Smith with what we currently have. But again, this is where I think Fitzgerald may covet Ty more than Kevin; if at least to see if Ty can bounce back at seasons start and round into form.

Id give much more realistic chance of Bahl replacing Ty at 3LD during the season if he plays poorly then him starting there. If he starts there then you have to assume Ty was moved or is possibly fizzling out from a 1st round prospect's status, In which case his value is diminished even further.

If Ty is what the organization thought he was, he should be smart enough to adapt his game between now and then and play better than Bahl in camp.

I don’t know how good Ty will have to be to show he’s better because that will largely depend on Bahl too. But if Ty looks good and does well in camp he would probably get into the lineup pretty quickly either because of an injury or just through rotation. Even if Bahl looks good too. I’m not suggesting he has the 3LD spot on lock.

I also don’t think it should be assumed that Bahl will have some sort of slump like Ty did. He’s been playing in the AHL for some time to get ready for the NHL and he started a little slow but has improved, figured it out and looked good since. He’s also a different type of player than Smith and plays a simpler and probably safer game.
Ty came right in and started hot but now has had some struggles and still needs to work on his defensive game. Maybe some time in the AHL woild’ve been good for Ty too?

Ty may or may not become what the organization thought he could be. That remains to be seen but his value has certainly diminished and he has fizzled out a little bit with a really poor season. That doesn’t mean he can’t bounce back. It’s mostly on Ty though to come in next year and show that he’s still the player he looked like he could be earlier on. The problem for Ty is that there’s some other solid young LD around and more coming so the longer he struggles the less opportunity he’s gonna get if the other young D perform better like Bahl has. His struggles this season left an opening for someone else to show themselves and earn a spot. And that’s what I think Bahl did. If he had a good season Bahl probably doesn’t even get as much of an opportunity and we probably aren’t having this conversation. And it’s only going to get harder once Hughes and Mukhammadullin come in so Smith really needs to take the bull by the horns and prove himself if he wants to be a long term part of this team.


Then there’s also the question of if all things were equal are Bahl and Okhotiuk better stylistic fits for the team we’re building. But I don’t really want to get into that.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

A friend of mine who knows one of the players on the team told me about a year ago that apparently all of the young guys on the team love PK but that the older guys didn’t like him.

What did Subban do to Bernier? He's the only older guy on this team. Unless we include Subban himself.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

What did Subban do to Bernier? He's the only older guy on this team. Unless we include Subban himself.

This was from last season. So when Zajac, Palmieri and whoever else were still there.

And it’s not hard to imagine being true. The younger kids liking PK who likes to have fun and mess around and then the older more serious guys not liking him as much.

 

[Ripshot 43]

Hey everyone is hanging with ol’ Trade Bait Ty! (I assume that’s his nickname with the guys now.)

He does remind me of that guy that no one knows who invited to the party.

 

[Ripshot 43]

What did Subban do to Bernier? He's the only older guy on this team. Unless we include Subban himself.

I didn’t even think of that… all the young guys like Subban but the older ones don’t. So Bernier and Tatar aren’t fans lol

 

[Guttersniped]

i usually skip this part of the video

 

[Captain3rdLine]

I didn’t even think of that… all the young guys like Subban but the older ones don’t. So Bernier and Tatar aren’t fans lol

Nah that’s just what someone told me about last season and maybe the season before that. So when Zajac, Palmieri and others were around.

Told me a couple stories too but I don’t know share too much here considering it would be a third hand account and I don’t know how true it is.

 

[LeedsMonster]

Of course there is better wingers out there but we'll have to pay a steep price to get that winger. Sharangovich is a guy who we could sign for a good deal/cheap for a guy who can put up 30 goals in our top 6. Try signing/trading a free agent 30 goal scorer & we'll pay 2 arms and both our legs. We don't need all our players to be elite superstars.

Also, noone seems to be mentioning his passing, puck retrieval, and decent defensive play. He's literally a perfect compliment to Hughes.

 

[Eggtimer]

Happy 4/21 NJ!

Stay safe!

Who is that in between McLeod and Mercer ?

 

[Tao Jersey Jones]

Nolan Foote is on an emergency loan according to CapFriendly. Utica has just clinched the Eastern Conference title. The Comets have a week off. I expect Walsh and maybe even Holtz to get call ups.

 

[Rydev]

Nolan Foote is on an emergency loan according to CapFriendly. Utica has just clinched the Eastern Conference title. The Comets have a week off. I expect Walsh and maybe even Holtz to get call ups.

We are out of emergency callups, correct?

 

[Tao Jersey Jones]

We are out of emergency callups, correct?

Teams get four non-emergency recalls after the trade deadline.

I'm not aware of a limit on emergency recalls.

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Teams may use emergency recalls at any time.

Refresher on recalls after the trade deadline

We got your recall rules right here.

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[My3Sons]

A friend of mine who knows one of the players on the team told me about a year ago that apparently all of the young guys on the team love PK but that the older guys didn’t like him.

What older guys?? You mean like Ruff and Fitz?

 

[Captain3rdLine]

What older guys?? You mean like Ruff and Fitz?

This was a while ago in reference to last season and possibly the previous season. So when guys like Palmieri, Zajac and others were around.

 

[Guttersniped]

What older guys?? You mean like Ruff and Fitz?

Yeah, PK wouldn’t do shots with Ruff, Recchi & Nasreddine. They never forgave him for that affront.

 

[My3Sons]

This was a while ago in reference to last season and possibly the previous season. So when guys like Palmieri, Zajac and others were around.

He’s been a polarizing player wherever he’s been. If the young guys like him he must be a pretty good guy to them which is important with a young team.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

He’s been a polarizing player wherever he’s been. If the young guys like him he must be a pretty good guy to them which is important with a young team.

Ya forsure, he seems like he’s great with them. And they seem to like him.
Not gonna talk about them but I will say based on a couple of the stories I was told assuming they’re true PK may walk a fine line between fun to be around and a possible not a great example. Like I could understand why he could get on people’s bad sides from what I’ve heard.

I don’t really want to act like I know though because I’m just going off of what I was told and some stories from someone else.

 

[My3Sons]

That’s supposed to be a Nico Hischier bobblehead? Somehow?

Well the Geersten mold didn’t get to the bobble head factory in time so they had to improvise.

 

[Guadana]

Whats not simple is any of this, first of all. Im not sure why you keep saying that. If any of this was simple, GMs and professional scouts wouldnt be paid much nor would there be bad ones.

Ty Smith was a two-time winning CHL dman of the year and was taken in a draft class with the likes of Dahlin Hughes Bouchard Dobson etc..

You're essentially casting him aside for a guy who has 12 NHL games this year and, in his first stint here, looked dreadful. If such small sample sizes determined a career then wed be celebrating the careers of guys like Mark Fayne and Eric Gelinas

I think the world of both Bahl and Smith. I just think youre letting your fandom get in the way of reality here

Bahl won defenseman of the year title in ohl. Okhotiuk won blockshoter of the year or something like that and was the best defenseman in puck battle in entire ohl.
They both were great defensively.
Smith won his titles because of production. He has no chance to be productive here because if Hamilton, Severson and Hughes. And as defenseman he svck. He is slow, he is soft and small, his starting speed close to be non existed, he can't control gaps often, and his defensive iq farts.
His 20 points in his first season doesn't give him anything. Gelinas was productive in his first season and if you try to remember him - Smith is much better candidate to compare.
If you try to replace Graves by Smith - you are trying to replace chicken by salad.

Butcher did won Hobbey Baker award BTW. Small, slow defenseman who can gain points in pp. I feel something similar.

Devils have no place for Smith, have no need for Smith and the best way for him and for the team is to trade him, when his value exist before a couple of better young defensemen will replace him, what they actually start to do. And he is on the Elc, what is very interesting for any team in the league.

The question of Smith was done. It was done year ago when Fitz did sign Hamilton and draft Hughes. The best thing Smith could do for the team is bring something on the trade table in exchange for himself. He will never be here top-4 because his defensive game was svck and never be really good because of his skating, speed, size and gap control. And Hamilton, Severson and Hughes need in absolutely different partners. And his impact on the third pair without pp time is close to not exist.

 

[OmNomNom]

Who is that in between McLeod and Mercer ?

White

 

[Arthur Morgan]

doing a short scan through this I see alot of negative comments about Ty Smith
as a Leafs fan in Toronto I just dont get alot of chances to watch NJ
but I thought Ty Smith looked really promising last season as a rookie
people have to remember that he's only 22 years old and we have seen that many many times before where a rookie comes in and plays great then in their sophomore season their overall play just isnt the same

I think it's has more to do with Teams got a read on them now and now its on Ty Smith to learn from his challenges and over come them moving forward

I don't view Ty Smith being part of NJ long term anymore with Hamilton and Luke Hughes now part of NJ but that doesnt mean NJ should rush to move him for just any upgrade

best thing to do is give Smith all the chances to improve next season and and keep playing him till Luke is ready then move Ty Smith in a package deal for a player of need

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Jesper Bratt is one dimensional…I guess if you roll up skating, playmaking, shooting, transition play, etc. into one category and make the other category just height and weight, he’s one dimensional.

Well to be fair he's not really lying
72 games he hit 25 and blocked 27 shots, also only 3:31 on PK
although I dont view this as a bad thing not every player has to smash everytime in sight
he's also only 22 years old with alot of promising productive seasons left

 

[Triumph]

Well to be fair he's not really lying
72 games he hit 25 and blocked 27 shots, also only 3:31 on PK
although I dont view this as a bad thing not every player has to smash everytime in sight
he's also only 22 years old with alot of promising productive seasons left

Bratt was used extensively on the penalty kill as a 19 year old rookie, it might even be why he made the team. It's something he can do but the team doesn't want him doing it anymore.

 

[Whaddagoal]

doing a short scan through this I see alot of negative comments about Ty Smith
as a Leafs fan in Toronto I just dont get alot of chances to watch NJ
but I thought Ty Smith looked really promising last season as a rookie
people have to remember that he's only 22 years old and we have seen that many many times before where a rookie comes in and plays great then in their sophomore season their overall play just isnt the same

I think it's has more to do with Teams got a read on them now and now its on Ty Smith to learn from his challenges and over come them moving forward

I don't view Ty Smith being part of NJ long term anymore with Hamilton and Luke Hughes now part of NJ but that doesnt mean NJ should rush to move him for just any upgrade

best thing to do is give Smith all the chances to improve next season and and keep playing him till Luke is ready then move Ty Smith in a package deal for a player of need

Ty is one of those players this year that hasn't looked as good as we thought he'd be coming from last season, which reflects the negativity you are observing around him. Over the larger span of the season this year, its been disappointing, but it doesn't mean though he hasn't improved. He has. I think the expectations on him were higher coming from last season and he hasn't kept up to that.

Unfortunately when we were still in the mix of potentially being a bubble team much earlier in the season (November lol) when things were still looking up and up ) , he was involved in a few individual mistakes that cost us a few games that actually stood out. I think it was like 2 or 3 of his plays led directly to a loss of points early in the season when we were riding that ("as we actually gonna be in mix this season"). Either we lost the win completely and had to settle for OTL. That was very frustrating to watch as fans, but in the grand scheme of things looking back now, it probably didn't matter much given how the rest of the season evolved with goalie injuries, hamilton, hughes, etc... but that is where I noticed the frustrations bubbling up about him.

He's had some good games of course, but his overall skating and defending larger players has been his pain points. He's gotten better from the start to now, but Ruff has had him out of lineup for some short spans.

He does have trouble dealing with a heavy presence out in front and can be on the wrong side when a bigger fella works the boards. Maybe that will improve as he gets older/stronger.

I don't know if i would cut ties yet, he's so young. Give him another season to see how his game evolves. But iI can say that the overall vibe is people want more from him, or are hoping for such.

(Side note to your avatar: RDR2 is an awesome experience).