Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part XXIV

[AfroThunder396]

We are not able to talk to Russian players or agents while they're under KHL contract.

Obviously Omsk wants to re-sign him to keep playing for them and they have functionally exclusive negotiating rights during the entire final year of his deal. It's technically not impossible for us to bring him over next summer but unless the geopolitical situation in Russia changes dramatically I wouldn't expect him to come over any time soon.

Even if we could negotiate, he's not coming over here to play in the AHL.

 

[Blackjack]

We are not able to talk to Russian players or agents while they're under KHL contract.

Obviously Omsk wants to re-sign him to keep playing for them and they have functionally exclusive negotiating rights during the entire final year of his deal. It's technically not impossible for us to bring him over next summer but unless the geopolitical situation in Russia changes dramatically I wouldn't expect him to come over any time soon.

Even if we could negotiate, he's not coming over here to play in the AHL.

I don't think there's anything stopping his agent from talking to the Devils, and they can come to an understanding that if he does not make the NHL roster in '23-'24, he will be going back to Russia.

 

[AfroThunder396]

I don't think there's anything stopping his agent from talking to the Devils, and they can come to an understanding that if he does not make the NHL roster in '23-'24, he will be going back to Russia.

Seravlli reported that the NHL issued a memo to all teams saying “immediately cease all dealings [direct or indirect] with the KHL and KHL Clubs [and all representatives of both], as well as with player agents who are based in and continue to do business in Russia.”

I'm sure there are backchannel ways to get this done but as of right now all agents, teams, and players under KHL contract are officially considered blacklisted by the NHL.

 

[njdevil26]

Seravlli reported that the NHL issued a memo to all teams saying “immediately cease all dealings [direct or indirect] with the KHL and KHL Clubs [and all representatives of both], as well as with player agents who are based in and continue to do business in Russia.”

I'm sure there are backchannel ways to get this done but as of right now all agents, teams, and players under KHL contract are officially considered blacklisted by the NHL.

It's going to be an interesting offseason. I can't see this war ending any time soon and even if it does, barring Putin being taken out of power, things are not going back to normal any time soon. I don't see how any Russians are going to be able to leave and come here... and I am curious to see if any non vet, non superstar Russians in North America go back home.

 

[My3Sons]

Seravlli reported that the NHL issued a memo to all teams saying “immediately cease all dealings [direct or indirect] with the KHL and KHL Clubs [and all representatives of both], as well as with player agents who are based in and continue to do business in Russia.”

I'm sure there are backchannel ways to get this done but as of right now all agents, teams, and players under KHL contract are officially considered blacklisted by the NHL.

I found multiple loopholes in that in five seconds. I'm sure someone not suffering from the flu could find them faster.

 

[FooteBahl]

I found multiple loopholes in that in five seconds. I'm sure someone not suffering from the flu could find them faster.

You speak like you’re a lawyer or something

 

[Devils731]

Seravlli reported that the NHL issued a memo to all teams saying “immediately cease all dealings [direct or indirect] with the KHL and KHL Clubs [and all representatives of both], as well as with player agents who are based in and continue to do business in Russia.”

I'm sure there are backchannel ways to get this done but as of right now all agents, teams, and players under KHL contract are officially considered blacklisted by the NHL.

One loophole is the Devils can talk to Gritsyuk’s North American agent

NHL suspends agreement with KHL amid Russia’s invasion of Ukraine – Sportsnet.ca

“They can continue to communicate with North American agents certified by the NHL Players’ Association but may have more difficulty completing agreements.”

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I also heard one executive, I forget what podcast, say that they can still have contact about on-ice hockey just nothing about contracts.

 

[Guttersniped]

Seravlli reported that the NHL issued a memo to all teams saying “immediately cease all dealings [direct or indirect] with the KHL and KHL Clubs [and all representatives of both], as well as with player agents who are based in and continue to do business in Russia.”

I'm sure there are backchannel ways to get this done but as of right now all agents, teams, and players under KHL contract are officially considered blacklisted by the NHL.

Huh, I heard they could sign guys if they weren’t under current contract as far as NHL teams knew. I don’t remember where, and I can’t find it, but it had more on how they checked on contracts. (Maybe it was a post on the boards.)

Well, that certainly is a shit show. We’ll have to see how it shakes it shakes out more officially in coming months but a New, Improved Russian Factor could be in full force this draft.

@Guadana has discussed Gritsyuk potentially resigning with KHL team before the invasion because he was reportedly more comfortable with establishing himself as top six star before coming over rather than trying to develop over here.

I was basically in denial over it lol, and hoping his next season would be enough, as I would prefer him coming over at 22 in 2023-24 rather than at 24 in 2026-27.

As I understand it (but I can easily be wrong of course) KHL contracts are at least 2 years long, so that’s the best case scenario if he gets an extension.

 

[Hisch13r]

Huh, I heard they could sign guys if they weren’t under current contract as far as NHL teams knew. I don’t remember where, and I can’t find it, but it had more on how they checked on contracts. (Maybe it was a post on the boards.)

Well, that certainly is a shit show. We’ll have to see how it shakes it shakes out more officially in coming months but a New, Improved Russian Factor could be in full force this draft.

@Guadana has discussed Gritsyuk potentially resigning with KHL team before the invasion because he was reportedly more comfortable with establishing himself as top six star before coming over rather than trying to develop over here.

I was basically in denial over it lol, and hoping his next season would be enough, as I would prefer him coming over at 22 in 2023-24 rather than at 24 in 2026-27.

As I understand it (but I can easily be wrong of course) KHL contracts are at least 2 years long, so that’s the best case scenario if he resigns.

Well he already had one great year so if he has another next year it wouldn’t surprise me to see him jump ship after that and come over

 

[Tao Jersey Jones]

Mukhamadullin's contract ends on April 30 with the conclusion of the KHL season. Should get an idea then about what's possible.

 

[Devils731]

Big guy. Ok-ish numbers.

 

[Devils731]

Mukhamadullin's contract ends on April 30 with the conclusion of the KHL season. Should get an idea then about what's possible.

Mukh is actually on Devils contract loaned back to the KHL so the Devils are in control of his fate.

The original understanding seemed to be he would be loaned back next season as well but Mukh could have changed his mind. Devils get final say where he plays.

KHL may actually have the problem here. How do the Devils coordinate a loan back to the KHL if they can’t talk contracts with KHL teams?

 

[Tao Jersey Jones]

Mukh is actually on Devils contract loaned back to the KHL so the Devils are in control of his fate.

The original understanding seemed to be he would be loaned back next season as well but Mukh could have changed his mind. Devils get final say where he plays.

KHL may actually have the problem here. How do the Devils coordinate a loan back to the KHL if they can’t talk contracts with KHL teams?

Should have said his KHL contract.

It's been 15 days since his KHL team was eliminated.

 

[Devils731]

Should have said his KHL contract.

It's been 15 days since his KHL team was eliminated.

His KHL contract ended once he signed his ELC with the Devils. He has been on loan from the Devils ever since he signed.

Normally splitting hairs like this doesn’t matter but it may be these little hairs that make the difference for what teams can and can’t do. Since us, the fans, only got snippets of the memo we don’t really know what the league considers fine and not fine anyway.

 

[Eggtimer]

Should have said his KHL contract.

It's been 15 days since his KHL team was eliminated.

So .. technically can Shakir come over and play in Utica or NJ if the paperwork is done ? Not saying we sign him to a pro contact her (or did we do that already?) to start his ELC , but would be cool to see him play if he coild this year . Keep him in North America if possible and get him as used to the lifestyle as possible before next camp?

 

[Guttersniped]

I also thought we might sign Bardakov as Maltsev had a similar path with SKA (sitting around a lot during his last season due to their ridiculous depth, then played 17 games in the playoffs because their center depth sucked, but didn’t score much on the 4th line).

Bardakov, according to Elite Prospects, isn’t signed next year and it was assumed that was part of the reason he wasn’t playing much.

He picked up two assists in his last PO games as he has been kicked up to the top line. He’s replaced Leo Komarov at center, who got demoted to the 4th line.

Komarov is Russian/Finnish, was raised in Finland and plays for their National team so he’s getting a lot of shit for still playing in the KHL. There’s three Finns on SKA. Apparently a reason given is they would be hit by a big fine (in Euros) if they broke there contract. (I got the KHL part through one very short Finnish article I google translated so take that with a grain of salt.)

While people just assumed foreign players in general would be leaving the KHL and it would become a more Russian only league (particularly with the Finnish & Latvian team leaving the KHL) but life is full of surprises…

Brooks Macek is a 29 year old Canadian with a duel Canadian/German citizenship who played on the German National team in the past.

Brooks Macek - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Brooks Macek, 1992-05-15 Winnipeg, MB, CAN Canada. Most recently in the KHL with Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

 

[Blackjack]

Seravlli reported that the NHL issued a memo to all teams saying “immediately cease all dealings [direct or indirect] with the KHL and KHL Clubs [and all representatives of both], as well as with player agents who are based in and continue to do business in Russia.”

I'm sure there are backchannel ways to get this done but as of right now all agents, teams, and players under KHL contract are officially considered blacklisted by the NHL.

I'm guessing Grits would have to get a new agent that can represent him to the NHL, or his existing agent would have to de-register with the KHL.

edit: sorry, Grits, not Muk.

 

[Tao Jersey Jones]

His KHL contract ended once he signed his ELC with the Devils. He has been on loan from the Devils ever since he signed.

Normally splitting hairs like this doesn’t matter but it may be these little hairs that make the difference for what teams can and can’t do. Since us, the fans, only got snippets of the memo we don’t really know what the league considers fine and not fine anyway.

Contractual relationship between the player and the clubs

The player’s contract with his parent club is suspended until April 30 of the current season, but the contract itself is not interrupted. At the end of the loan period, the suspended contract resumes and remains valid for the whole remaining time.

The loaning club concludes a separate loan contract, to include terms of any penalty for terminating the contract ahead of schedule. Significant financial penalties will be imposed to strongly discourage teams from cancelling loan contracts early.

On-loan players can be deployed on any team at their new club and can move between teams in the same way as other players. If a player has a one-way contract with the senior team, he will continue to be paid in full even if he is assigned to the VHL. In this instance, the waivers procedure will not apply.

New loan system to apply for 2021-2022 season

On April 30, the Board of Directors voted to approve a new mechanism for loaning players. The mechanism allows each club to acquire up to four players on loan, and to loan out four of its players. Three of these players must be under 22, and the ...

en.khl.ru

 

[Guttersniped]

Big guy. Ok-ish numbers.

Sweet.

Here’s Elite Prospect’s write up in their NCAA FA guide. With fancy charts galore!

 

[Devils731]

Contractual relationship between the player and the clubs

The player’s contract with his parent club is suspended until April 30 of the current season, but the contract itself is not interrupted. At the end of the loan period, the suspended contract resumes and remains valid for the whole remaining time.

The loaning club concludes a separate loan contract, to include terms of any penalty for terminating the contract ahead of schedule. Significant financial penalties will be imposed to strongly discourage teams from cancelling loan contracts early.

On-loan players can be deployed on any team at their new club and can move between teams in the same way as other players. If a player has a one-way contract with the senior team, he will continue to be paid in full even if he is assigned to the VHL. In this instance, the waivers procedure will not apply.

New loan system to apply for 2021-2022 season

On April 30, the Board of Directors voted to approve a new mechanism for loaning players. The mechanism allows each club to acquire up to four players on loan, and to loan out four of its players. Three of these players must be under 22, and the ...

en.khl.ru

I read that as applying only to players under KHL contract loaned to another league, like the VHL or something. In Muhk’s case it’s the opposite, NHL contract to KHL loan.

The Devils could not sign an ELC while the KHL contract was in force. It wouldn’t work as you can’t have a dual NHL and KHL contract.

 

[Tao Jersey Jones]

I read that as applying only to players under KHL contract loaned to another league, like the VHL or something. In Muhk’s case it’s the opposite, NHL contract to KHL loan.

The Devils could not sign an ELC while the KHL contract was in force. It wouldn’t work as you can’t have a dual NHL and KHL contract.

I referenced that for the April 30 date. I read it as his NHL contract is suspended until April 30. The KHL contract would be a "loan contract".

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Sweet.

Here’s Elite Prospect’s write up in their NCAA FA guide. With fancy charts galore!

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Interesting

 

[Devils731]

I referenced that for the April 30 date. I read it as his NHL contract is suspended until April 30. The KHL contract would be a "loan contract".

It’s possible but if Mukh still had a KHL contract then I don’t believe he can sign the NHL deal.

The NHL would require the KHL contract to be terminated before the ELC is signed. Otherwise the NHL would be breaking the MOU by signing an NHL while a KHL contract existed.

Someone has to have the only contract between the NHL and KHL and in this case it appears to be the NHL, that’s why there is a signed NHL ELC and a Devils loan back to the KHL; so there couldn’t be a KHL contract for those 2 things to happen.

 

[Hisch13r]

Interesting

Yeah the numbers look good but I think the production is going to need to take a leap for there to really be anything there. Maybe an eventual 4th liner as is

 

[Rydev]

Sweet.

Here’s Elite Prospect’s write up in their NCAA FA guide. With fancy charts galore!

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So if I understand this correctly.. he bypassed a few ELC offers for the chance at our development camp?

Is that with the intention of signing him to an ELC deal eventually (say maybe after another year of college)? And if so Im very excited by our ability to attract talent recently since Fitzgerald has taken over (Brodeur may have to do with this as well).

Seems like a decent player and has great size though very lanky for his height, if EliteProspects is to be trusted. Interested to see where this goes