Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part V

[JrFischer54]

I agree that people exaggerate cap implications often, but that's not the case in this particular hypothetical. If the Devils are in a spot where they have to pony up money for a Mercer replacement but don't have the cap space, whose salary are they shedding to make room? It's not like we have many bad contracts that we could dispose of without making the team worse.

Acquiring another Mercer who is cost controlled isn't going to happen, it doesn't matter how good our prospect pool is. Those kinds of trades don't happen, and for good reason. You're making it seem like it's easy peasy to do this kind of stuff without any evidence that it's realistic.

Why do you need an exact number? Mercer will be a better value than a vet, that's pretty much a given because he's an RFA for several more years. Stop trying to make it seem like you have some gotcha on this, you don't.

well because it matters thats why. i mean you can't really complain about the cap and then say why do i need an exact number?how am i suppose to know how much money we have to spend if i cant get a figure on mercers next deal? so you can't even guess what he will be making coming off a hypothetical 20-50 season? its not about a gotcha

 

[Devils731]

Some good news.

 

[Bcap88]

The boy

 

[Nubmer6]

in lighter news, lol

TRADE HIM NOW!!!

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Some good news.

 

[My3Sons]

I'm still waiting for you to answer his question :

"If you think there's someone in our org that can replace what Mercer brings, feel free to name that player."

I can name that player in three notes

 

[JrFischer54]

I'm still waiting for you to answer his question :

"If you think there's someone in our org that can replace what Mercer brings, feel free to name that player."

ooooooooooooooooh boy a question-off
ok i'll answer you if you answer mine

ps i kinda did

 

[JimEIV]

TRADE HIM NOW!!!

That dude's high.

 

[Saugus]

Out of all the possible reasons for "this thread added 5 pages in a day for no real reason", I have to say that "let's all say nice things about Dawson Mercer" is one of the better ones.

Way better than "golf cart DWI" or "let's argue with one rando about Bratt for the 8986355216th time".

 

[OmNomNom]

Out of all the possible reasons for "this thread added 5 pages in a day for no real reason", I have to say that "let's all say nice things about Dawson Mercer" is one of the better ones.

Way better than "golf cart DWI" or "let's argue with one rando about Bratt for the 8986355216th time".

golf cart DWI was epic, i loved talking about legal BAC and speed laws in florida

 

[Guttersniped]

How many of those years have they been a legit Cup contender, maybe half? They’ve pretty much been a postseason nonentity since their last Cup. The odds of getting a Crosby AND a Malkin are also much lower with the new lottery rules

Many of those years Pittsburgh wasn’t a legit Cup contender more because of injury than anything else.

Teams win when you don’t think they will. The Devils several seasons where I think they were legitimately one of top, truly elite teams in the NHL.

Not many, I’m talking about hanging with the Red Wings when Detroit had the advantage of being one of the best organizations in the NHL while spending like the NYR.

2002-03 wasn’t one of those seasons actually. It was close, but the offense certainly wasn’t elite. But veterans and coaching and the right moment got it done.

We shouldn’t make a bad trade. Trading Mercer would be bad. It’s not that f***ing complicated.

Teams don’t trade young cost controlled players they think will be awesome, they don’t. Not in this sort of trade.

 

[Guttersniped]

Lawson Crouse would be one of mine, but not sure everyone's thoughts on him here. But Arizona would want a haul also so not sure.

Arizona fans are pretty convinced he’s not being moved and I can see it.

Crouse and Keller are the two guys signed long the team is sort of hung around. They need some sort of base, they’re trying to build a positive locker-room culture. There’s a lot of buy in right now with the coach.

I don’t see a team making it worth their while. They have a ton of prospects and extra picks.

 

[NJDevs26]

time and time again teams are constantly getting out of bad contracts to teams willing to eat them for pennies. not to mention the salary cap even if a little every year is going up and up. so no i'm not worried about the cap


for the bold not really because you can always use that great prospect pool to acquire another version of a mercer. if there isn't a mercer waiting in the ahl.

i'm still waiting to hear a number like say he goes 20g-50p next year?

Not always, Chuck Fletcher ran out of takers to offload bad contracts when he couldn’t clear space for Johnny Blue Jacket this offseason

 

[JimEIV]

Many of those years Pittsburgh wasn’t a legit Cup contender more because of injury than anything else.

Teams win when you don’t think they will. The Devils several seasons where I think they were legitimately one of top, truly elite teams in the NHL.

Not many, I’m talking about hanging with the Red Wings when Detroit had the advantage of being one of the best organizations in the NHL while spending like the NYR.

2002-03 wasn’t one of those seasons actually. It was close, but the offense certainly wasn’t elite. But veterans and coaching and the right moment got it done.

We shouldn’t make a bad trade. Trading Mercer would be bad. It’s not that f***ing complicated.

Teams don’t trade young cost controlled players they think will be awesome, they don’t. Not in this sort of trade.

We have had quite a few teams as good or arguably better than 2003 team that didn't have the playoff success you'd think they should've.

2009 51 win team. 1st round exit
2007 49 win team 2nd round exit
2010 48 win team 1st round exit
1998 48 win team 1st round exit
1999 47 win team. 1st round exit

 

[NJDevs26]

Many of those years Pittsburgh wasn’t a legit Cup contender more because of injury than anything else.

Teams win when you don’t think they will. The Devils several seasons where I think they were legitimately one of top, truly elite teams in the NHL.

Not many, I’m talking about hanging with the Red Wings when Detroit had the advantage of being one of the best organizations in the NHL while spending like the NYR.

2002-03 wasn’t one of those seasons actually. It was close, but the offense certainly wasn’t elite. But veterans and coaching and the right moment got it done.

We shouldn’t make a bad trade. Trading Mercer would be bad. It’s not that f***ing complicated.

Teams don’t trade young cost controlled players they think will be awesome, they don’t. Not in this sort of trade.

Cue the Caps Fillip Forsberg for Martin Erat type of deal…but yes GM’s don’t do THAT trade often cause it gets you fired when it doesn’t work

 

[Unknown Caller]

Many of those years Pittsburgh wasn’t a legit Cup contender more because of injury than anything else.

Teams win when you don’t think they will. The Devils several seasons where I think they were legitimately one of top, truly elite teams in the NHL.

Not many, I’m talking about hanging with the Red Wings when Detroit had the advantage of being one of the best organizations in the NHL while spending like the NYR.

2002-03 wasn’t one of those seasons actually. It was close, but the offense certainly wasn’t elite. But veterans and coaching and the right moment got it done.

We shouldn’t make a bad trade. Trading Mercer would be bad. It’s not that f***ing complicated.

Teams don’t trade young cost controlled players they think will be awesome, they don’t. Not in this sort of trade.

I like Mercer a lot, but he's definitely not untouchable depending on the deal. The only truly untouchable players are Jack, Nico, and Luke Hughes. The price would be enormously high, but it's not impossible for there to be a scenario where it makes sense to trade Mercer. I wouldn't do it for Meier though.

 

[The Wumpus]

Jack would never miss games if he was big and strong like MacKinnon, Barkov, Matthews, Eichel, Crosby, Malkin, or Tarasenko

 

[NjDevsRR]

We have had quite a few teams as good or arguably better than 2003 team that didn't have the playoff success you'd think they should've.

2009 51 win team. 1st round exit
2007 49 win team 2nd round exit
2010 48 win team 1st round exit
1998 48 win team 1st round exit
1999 47 win team. 1st round exit

I feel like those 2007-2010 teams were overrated due to Marty playing his best hockey of his career in that time behind a mediocre defense compared to the cup teams.

(Goaltending matters Jim)

 

[McDuffz88]

Jack needs top line talent on his line. Timo and Jack would be sick. Not to mention, another weapon on our PP.

Wait you're telling me Haula isn't top line talent? Haula is elite, elite at not scoring goals. He's a truly talented individual when it comes to that department.

 

[Guttersniped]

well because it matters thats why. i mean you can't really complain about the cap and then say why do i need an exact number?how am i suppose to know how much money we have to spend if i cant get a figure on mercers next deal? so you can't even guess what he will be making coming off a hypothetical 20-50 season? its not about a gotcha

Because it’s more honest to say who knows and it’s pretty flexible because he’s an RFA. You can always do a short bridge deal if our cap is in a bad spot.

I don’t do team budgets, not my job and lot of variables can change.

The cap is a puzzle, it’s simply a reality that GMs deal with. It’s not “frightening” it does however exist.

Taking Mercer off this team makes us worse in the short term and long term. The idea that we must give him up to get or sign other players is goofy.

 

[guitarguyvic]

We have quite a few teams as good or arguably better than 2003 team that didn't have the playoff success you'd think they should've.

2009 51 win team. 1st round exit
2007 49 win team 2nd round exit
2010 48 win team 1st round exit
1998 48 win team 1st round exit
1999 47 win team. 1st round exit

2007 and 2010 teams were not as good as their record - Marty hid a lot of their warts.

Wee had several disappointing seasons during Marty's time where the team was better than the 2003 squad that won the cup.

 

[JrFischer54]

Because it’s more honest to say who knows and it’s pretty flexible because he’s an RFA. You can always do a short bridge deal if our cap is in a bad spot.

I don’t do team budgets, not my job and lot of variables can change.

The cap is a puzzle, it’s simply a reality that GMs deal with. It’s not “frightening” it does however exist.

Taking Mercer off this team makes us worse in the short term and long term. The idea that we must give him up to get or sign other players is goofy.

thanks good chat first bold couldn't agree more with you. I know we would agree on something.

i mean you make it sound like we are trading mercer for mike peluso when you say stuff like that.

but we agree to disagree which is why we chat on here. to each their own

 

[NJDevs26]

2009 should have been better, they were good enough to win a division with Clemmensen in net…but Sutter went full Neanderthal with line matching and they went splat

 

[JimEIV]

2007 and 2010 teams were not as good as their record - Marty hid a lot of their warts.

I think we had several seasons during Marty's time where the team was better than the 2003 squad that won the cup.

The early exits in the late 90's were devastating. The first round exit to Pittsburgh was particularly rough...I remember many people questioning Stevens leadership after that series. I can't remember who wrote it but it was definitely written that the Devils lacked leadership....was probably Larry Brooks

 

[MB3]

We have had quite a few teams as good or arguably better than 2003 team that didn't have the playoff success you'd think they should've.

2009 51 win team. 1st round exit
2007 49 win team 2nd round exit
2010 48 win team 1st round exit
1998 48 win team 1st round exit
1999 47 win team. 1st round exit

listing three teams that were in a league that didn’t allow ties is a bit disingenuous.