Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part IV

[Captain3rdLine]

The most exciting scenario I could think of was a Vrana for Blackwood trade after the game last night. Probably something else involved to help with our cap-space.

No clue if that would make sense for the red wings goaltending-wise but Nedelkovic hasn’t played in a month.

One can dream.

Most likely, VV is hurt (or Blackwood is or one is sick)

 

[MartyOwns]

not sure who in the hell would trade for blackwood right now

 

[devilsblood]

It was actually someone else who posted Cordell's tweet about Wood's slump (which had more information than points).

Which you then tied to his contract.

A ten game sample I believe.

 

[bossram]

Which you then tied to his contract.

A ten game sample I believe.

Yes. Next contract.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

not sure who in the hell would trade for blackwood right now

Someone who no longer believes in Nedelkovic and is trying to get rid of Vrana perhaps. And was recently paid a visit by the devils.

Imagine this.

To Detroit:
Mackenzie Blackwood
Yegor Sharangovich

To New Jersey:
Jakob Vrana (with confidence that he’s healthy)

 

[devilsblood]

not sure who in the hell would trade for blackwood right now

I haven't looked around the league, but if the goalie situation in the league this year is at all similar to last year, then I could see there being a few suitors.

 

[Lou is God]

not sure who in the hell would trade for blackwood right now

I think Vanecek tweaked something last night on a save towards the end of the game, not sure if anyone else saw it.

 

[Saugus]

Luke will get more benefit of the doubt over Severson for a variety of reasons:

-#4 overall pick
-He’s a Hughes
-He does have much higher upside
-He (likely) won’t be around when the team is shitty for years thereby being identified with said shittiness like Sevs
-Because of the Rachel Doerrie nonsense

I think the biggest part of why Luke will get more slack is the offensive upside. Luke might be a double edged sword, but his offensive production is likely to make up for the gaffes. Severson is reasonably competent offensively, but no one is mistaking him for a PP QB or a shooting threat, so his gaffes stand out all the more.

 

[devilsblood]

Yes. Next contract.

Exactly.

I think Vanecek tweaked something last night on a save towards the end of the game, not sure if anyone else saw it.

Laid face down for a second? My first thought was he tweaked something as well.

 

[HBK27]

it didn’t prevent him from playing lol.

last time we went through this, i literally provided a slovakian interview he gave where he said everyone knew he wasn’t going to finish that contract. it wasn’t a secret. i’ll ask you the same question, did you think he intended to play when his salary dropped to $1M? literally EVERYONE knew he wouldn’t, and because of bullshit contracts like this the league doesn’t allow them anymore.

if you want to believe his stopping of treatments when his salary dropped was one big wacky coincidence, you do that. everyone else knew what this was when he signed it.

I don't know what his intention was in 2009 when he signed that contract. I doubt he had a firm retirement date at the time, but yeah...I'm sure there was some doubt that he'd make it to 42. Your assertion though that he played the 2016-2017 season purely to get the paycheck doesn't add up though, as he could've also gone on LTIR prior to that season and still collected his full paycheck. If you believe that he's lying about the extent of his condition and the level of medication he was taking, so be it.

 

[bossram]

Exactly.

Yes. I commented on someone else's comment on a comment/discussion board.

 

[Lou is God]

Exactly.


Laid face down for a second? My first thought was he tweaked something as well.

And he flexed his left leg. Yup, that was the play.

 

[NJDevs26]

I think the biggest part of why Luke will get more slack is the offensive upside. Luke might be a double edged sword, but his offensive production is likely to make up for the gaffes. Severson is reasonably competent offensively, but no one is mistaking him for a PP QB or a shooting threat, so his gaffes stand out all the more.

Severson acts like he’s Cale Makar when he’s not

 

[devilsblood]

Yes. I commented on someone else's comment on a comment/discussion board.

You have the basics down, that's for sure.

 

[devilsblood]

I think the biggest part of why Luke will get more slack is the offensive upside. Luke might be a double edged sword, but his offensive production is likely to make up for the gaffes. Severson is reasonably competent offensively, but no one is mistaking him for a PP QB or a shooting threat, so his gaffes stand out all the more.

I'm not sure Hughes will be a PP QB either, not out of the gate at least.

I think Luke will be at his best pushing the puck at ES play(with an emphasis on 4v4 or 3v3).

His puck carrying could be interesting on the 2nd unit PP as well early in his career.

 

[Bleedred]

Someone who no longer believes in Nedelkovic and is trying to get rid of Vrana perhaps. And was recently paid a visit by the devils.

Imagine this.

To Detroit:
Mackenzie Blackwood
Yegor Sharangovich

To New Jersey:
Jakob Vrana (with confidence that he’s healthy)

Nedeljkovic's covid season and playoffs is looking about as FLUKY as the Hamburglar's run at this point. That may be the flukiest goalie happening since Hammond in 2015.

He's a TERRIBLE goaltender. Detroit knows he stinks and has been keeping the f*** away as much as possible the last 2 months. He started out the season hot there last year, but has fallen off a cliff since December of 2021.

His AHL career (like someone else we all know) was also TRASH and he's just wayyyyyyy too short for a goalie to succeed in today's NHL.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Nedeljkovic's covid season and playoffs is looking about as FLUKY as the Hamburglar's run at this point. That may be the flukiest goalie happening since Hammond in 2015.

He's a TERRIBLE goaltender. Detroit knows he stinks and has been keeping the f*** away as much as possible the last 2 months. He started out the season hot there last year, but has fallen off a cliff since December of 2021.

His AHL career (like someone else we all know) was also TRASH and he's just wayyyyyyy too short for a goalie to succeed in today's NHL.

So my trade idea might be feasible? Cool

 

[devilsblood]

Someone who no longer believes in Nedelkovic and is trying to get rid of Vrana perhaps. And was recently paid a visit by the devils.

Imagine this.

To Detroit:
Mackenzie Blackwood
Yegor Sharangovich

To New Jersey:
Jakob Vrana (with confidence that he’s healthy)

I know we aren't sending much the other way, but Vrana's lack of games played the past couple years makes me pass on this.

 

[tailfins]

So my trade idea might be feasible? Cool

they just waived Vrana because he isn't ready to play.

I don't see how we'd subtract a main roster player with the hopes we'll get one back at some point. I can see Blackwood and Johnsson. Or Blackwood and Boqvist, if we're about to waive Boq.

 

[MartyOwns]

I don't know what his intention was in 2009 when he signed that contract. I doubt he had a firm retirement date at the time, but yeah...I'm sure there was some doubt that he'd make it to 42. Your assertion though that he played the 2016-2017 season purely to get the paycheck doesn't add up though, as he could've also gone on LTIR prior to that season and still collected his full paycheck. If you believe that he's lying about the extent of his condition and the level of medication he was taking, so be it.

i refuse to believe you didn’t know his intent when he signed it. “some doubt” that he would keep playing to age 42 lmao.

i never said he was lying about his condition, i’m saying he didn’t want to go through treatments at that age for $1M. which i actually can understand, but pretending this was one big coincidence (and pretending the hawks weren’t literally over the salary cap limit when he announced it) has to be some kind of willful ignorance.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

I know we aren't sending much the other way, but Vrana's lack of games played the past couple years makes me pass on this.

Fair enough. When healthy he’s a top line forward though and I was thinking Detroit probably has to add a little something to that.

The other idea that matches up perfectly cap wise was something like this

NJ:
Vrana
Nedelkovic

DET:
Blackwood
Sharangovich
Johnsson

Obvious this is just some fun speculation and it’s highly unlikely anything like this happened but might make sense for both teams.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

they just waived Vrana because he isn't ready to play.

I don't see how we'd subtract a main roster player with the hopes we'll get one back at some point. I can see Blackwood and Johnsson. Or Blackwood and Boqvist, if we're about to waive Boq.

They said he’s healthy. With Blackwood it’s basically addition by subtraction in a sense. Thought when I mentioned that they’d probably have to send us a little something more too. They seem pretty down on Sharangovich right now.

But essentially if you’re comfortable with whatever situation Vrana is going through you’re getting someone who’s a top line winger when healthy. This proposal is contingent on Vrana being healthy and serviceable.

Also mentioned above that Johnsson and Nedelkovic could be added.

Don’t mind the Johnsson and Blackwood for him idea either but I’m not sure they’d do that.
Boqvist wouldn’t fit cap wise and there’s zero chance we’re about to waive Boqvist.

 

[devilsblood]

Fair enough. When healthy he’s a top line forward though and I was thinking Detroit probably has to add a little something to that.

The other idea that matches up perfectly cap wise was something like this

NJ:
Vrana
Nedelkovic

DET:
Blackwood
Sharangovich
Johnsson

Obvious this is just some fun speculation and it’s highly unlikely anything like this happened but might make sense for both teams.

As Tailfins notes above, trading away a guy who plays every game and is on pace for 20+ goals for a guy who is showing no signs of being able to play is not something I'd look to be doing at his moment.

But Blackwood to Detroit kind of makes sense. Not sure how much we'd get back.

 

[youryeah]

i’m also going to be a debbie downer and speculate that vitek tweaked something last night. him laying face down on the ice for like 5 seconds in the third period after a puck stoppage was not normal

 

[Captain3rdLine]

As Tailfins notes above, trading away a guy who plays every game and is on pace for 20+ goals for a guy who is showing no signs of being able to play is not something I'd look to be doing at his moment.

But Blackwood to Detroit kind of makes sense. Not sure how much we'd get back.

Okay so maybe the Johnsson one he had was a better idea. Just not sure there’s enough in that for them unless they’ve lost hope with Vrana and like Blackwood. Even if they consider Johnsson a serviceable NHL player which they may, he’s a negative and essentially a dump. They were prepared to lose Vrana for free but that was likely due to the cap hit. That also leaves them with a bit an overload of not great goalies and they’d need to get rid of someone.
Interesting idea.