Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part IV

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Well ive said already in 2019 that our window opens up around 2024. Let it be 2023-24 or 2024-25 season, im down for spending our assets for getting good pieces that fit and serve us throughout the window, e.g. an extended Meier.

Not interested in e.g. rental Kanes.
 

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Said it before and i'll say it again. If we're getting Meier, then any prospect outside Luke and Nemec is on the table for me.

Holtz, Gritsyuk, Casey, Muk, Bahl, Walsh, Foote, Stillman and either of the 23/24 1st round picks. Any combination, whatever they want.

Timo is a natural fit on this roster. Being able to roll out any combination of Hughes, Hischier, Bratt and Meier is just insane.
With you minus Casey. I think he could turn out to be something special.
 

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With you minus Casey. I think he could turn out to be something special.

He might, or he might not be a special player at the NHL level. Too early to say that we have a genuine star like Nemec and Luke Hughes are projecting to be.

But he's shown enough to this point that I think we have to take a closer look and see how he develops. You can't trade a guy who is unexpectedly having such a great D+1 season.
 
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Who are the other players realistically that we would go after if let’s say Timo Meier didn’t end up as a devil?

Would it be pure rental or long term solution
 

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He might, or he might not be a special player at the NHL level. Too early to say that we have a genuine star like Nemec and Luke Hughes are projecting to be.

But he's shown enough to this point that I think we have to take a closer look and see how he develops. You can't trade a guy who is unexpectedly having such a great D+1 season.
I agree with this for the most part, but if adding Casey removes Holtz and Shara from trade discussions since we’re relatively thin on winger prospects, I would do it.
 

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Well ive said already in 2019 that our window opens up around 2024. Let it be 2023-24 or 2024-25 season, im down for spending our assets for getting good pieces that fit and serve us throughout the window, e.g. an extended Meier.

Not interested in e.g. rental Kanes.

as long as the pirce isn't outrageous which it really shouldn't be i'm fine with a rental. not to mention you can always resign the rental in the summer if you like him enough. as long as the untouchables stay untouchable i'm fine trading whatever needs to be traded to improve this roster both short or long term.
 

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Again if Casey is special it is what it is. He’s still a couple years out with a couple of guys in front of him. He could be great for sure and it would suck to lose him but he cannot be a dealbreaker bc Meier would mean more now and in the future, especially looking at the state of the defense prospects vs forward prospects
 

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“My job is to improve the team. But my window is not one year,” Devils general manager Tom Fitzgerald told The Athletic on Thursday. “We’re a year ahead of where I think everyone thought we would be, but here we are. That doesn’t mean I’m not going to do my job and try to improve the club long-term.”

Fitzgerald is scouring the market, getting a good idea of what’s out there. But paying premium assets for a pending unrestricted free agent rental player is unlikely. Renting a depth piece? That’s possible. But for a bigger acquisition, the perfect scenario is adding a player who’ll be with the Devils past this season.

“That would be great if I could do something like that, but other teams want to do the same thing,” Fitzgerald said. “In an ideal world, you’re giving up assets and bringing on a player that will grow with our core group in that age bracket.”

If the Devils make a bigger splash, there’s a specific area in mind.

“If it’s possible, I’d like to add a top-six winger,” Fitzgerald said candidly. “And I’d like to be able to control the player (past this season) and grow. I’d be willing to give up assets to do that, and I’ve got to know, ‘What does that look like?’”

Fitzgerald wouldn’t say, but I’m guessing he hopes to get Bratt signed long-term somewhere in between Hughes and Hischier, AAV-wise.

There’s no question in my mind that Fitzgerald, if he hasn’t already, will be talking to Sharks GM Mike Grier repeatedly between now and March 3. He’ll be kicking tires with nearly every seller. But Fitzgerald won’t lose sight of the bigger picture. They have younger players still developing, some who aren’t even in New Jersey yet. It’s been a fun season, but it’s just the beginning of things, the Devils hope.

“I love where we’re at, I really do,” Fitzgerald said. “Now the fun times start, where you’re trying to put the right pieces in the locker room.

“If that means going out and trading assets for a player who can grow and be part of this, hell yeah, sign me up.”

“We do have good talent. We have more good talent coming,” Fitzgerald said. “It’s an exciting time for New Jersey Devils fans, I’m sure.”
 

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Again if Casey is special it is what it is. He’s still a couple years out with a couple of guys in front of him. He could be great for sure and it would suck to lose him but he cannot be a dealbreaker bc Meier would be mean more now and in the future, especially looking at the state of the defense prospects vs forward prospects
If I could like this ten times I would. I mean, who really needs 4 HOF defensemen on the blue line when 3 is enough:sarcasm:
 

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Highlights:

I thought these Bratt highlights were interesting too:

“The balancing act in that exercise, if it’s possible to get done, is the Devils still hope to sign winger Jesper Bratt to an extension as well. They need to plan for his place in the puzzle, too. That remains a top priority despite struggling in talks regarding a long-term extension last summer.

“There has to be buy-in, too, from players,” Fitzgerald said of making the salary cap work over the next few seasons. “I think we’re building something pretty good here. I’ve talked to Jesper Bratt. He’s excited.

“I really believe he wants to be part of it. But there has to be buy-in from everybody. But what does that look like?””


Is it just me reading into it, or is that last part a shot at Bratt’s agent?
 

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Said it before and i'll say it again. If we're getting Meier, then any prospect outside Luke and Nemec is on the table for me.

Holtz, Gritsyuk, Casey, Muk, Bahl, Walsh, Foote, Stillman and either of the 23/24 1st round picks. Any combination, whatever they want.

Timo is a natural fit on this roster. Being able to roll out any combination of Hughes, Hischier, Bratt and Meier is just insane.
Having the ability to roll Meier and Bratt with either Hughes and Hishier should give us essentially two top lines. We have some good options for that 3rd spot on each line with Palat and Tatar as well and eventually Mercer.
 
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I thought these Bratt highlights were interesting too:

“The balancing act in that exercise, if it’s possible to get done, is the Devils still hope to sign winger Jesper Bratt to an extension as well. They need to plan for his place in the puzzle, too. That remains a top priority despite struggling in talks regarding a long-term extension last summer.

“There has to be buy-in, too, from players,” Fitzgerald said of making the salary cap work over the next few seasons. “I think we’re building something pretty good here. I’ve talked to Jesper Bratt. He’s excited.

“I really believe he wants to be part of it. But there has to be buy-in from everybody. But what does that look like?””


Is it just me reading into it, or is that last part a shot at Bratt’s agent?

Just from those comments from Lebrun speculating that Fitz wants Bratt somewhere in between Jack and Nico:
"Fitzgerald wouldn’t say, but I’m guessing he hopes to get Bratt signed long-term somewhere in between Hughes and Hischier, AAV-wise."

Just because of that it feels like the sides shouldn't be really too far off like if Bratt's agent wants to use Hintz as a comparable that is 8.3 (and even if he wants somewhat more than that but still in the 8 range) that's around or less than a million between for most values between Nico's and Jack's contracts. We would be talking about a separation between the two sides of less than a UFA depth player (Brendon Smith at 1.1). Just compromise and get this done, it's not like Meier if the Devils do get him is going to be between those two contracts either -- Lebrun reported that the ask will start in the 9mil range.
 

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"We’re a year ahead of where I think everyone thought we would be..."

Huh? I support Tom Fitzgerald and all the work he's done, but this comment is absurd.

Tommy, you're about two years behind where you should be. Not your fault, you were left no defense, no goaltending and in my opinion a substandard forward prospect pool for how long we've been drafting in the top half of the draft... but you DID come into this gig with two #1OA, one entering his prime years along with Jesper Bratt...now the two #1OA 21 and 24... you've had high draft picks 7 straight years and we've sniffed the playoffs once in a decade on the shoulders of phenomenal Hall performance...

Tommy, you've done a great job but to say "we are ahead of schedule" is a f***ing slap in the face of any person that has supported this team over the last 10 years.
 

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"We’re a year ahead of where I think everyone thought we would be..."

Huh? I support Tom Fitzgerald and all the work he's done, but this comment is absurd.

Tommy, you're about two years behind where you should be. Not your fault, you were left no defense, no goaltending and in my opinion a substandard forward prospect pool for how long we've been drafting in the top half of the draft... but you DID come into this gig with two #1OA, one entering his prime years along with Jesper Bratt...now the two #1OA 21 and 24... you've had high draft picks 7 straight years and we've sniffed the playoffs once in a decade on the shoulders of phenomenal Hall performance...

Tommy, you've done a great job but to say "we are ahead of schedule" is a f***ing slap in the face of any person that has supported this team over the last 10 years.

you just can't help yourself can you?
 

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"We’re a year ahead of where I think everyone thought we would be..."

Huh? I support Tom Fitzgerald and all the work he's done, but this comment is absurd.

Tommy, you're about two years behind where you should be. Not your fault, you were left no defense, no goaltending and in my opinion a substandard forward prospect pool for how long we've been drafting in the top half of the draft... but you DID come into this gig with two #1OA, one entering his prime years along with Jesper Bratt...now the two #1OA 21 and 24... you've had high draft picks 7 straight years and we've sniffed the playoffs once in a decade on the shoulders of phenomenal Hall performance...

Tommy, you've done a great job but to say "we are ahead of schedule" is a f***ing slap in the face of any person that has supported this team over the last 10 years.

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You've stated all year long that you were stunned at how a 63 point team last year has become what they've become this year. Pretty sure that is what he is referring to when he says we're probably a year ahead from where we thought we'd be.
 

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Fitzgerald has been the GM for a little over 3 years now. Short of inventing a time machine, or subverting Shero to get him fired sooner, what exactly was he supposed to do faster?
I don't blame him one bit...but don't piss in the fans face and tell them it's raining.

I expected a young team with aspirations of just making it into the playoffs.

Instead we got a top 5 NHL team.

We are ahead of schedule. Easily.
We were making the claim of young team trying to make it to the bubble since 2019....that was 5 seasons ago and we'vr been a bottom 5 team ever since.
 
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I don't blame him one bit...but don't piss in the fans face and tell them it's raining.


We were making the claim of young team trying to make it to the bubble since 2019....that was 5 seasons ago and we been a bottom 5 team ever since.

So you expected this team (2019 version), to have become Top 5 in around 2020/21?

There's Devils advocate and then there's whatever hill it is that you are choosing to die on now.
 

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I don't blame him one bit...but don't piss in the fans face and tell them it's raining.


We were making the claim of young team trying to make it to the bubble since 2019....that was 5 seasons ago and we been a bottom 5 team ever since.

That isn't true at all. Entering 2019 with Hall, Palmieri, Subban, Gusev, Simmonds, Vatanen, Greene, Zajac, Schneider etc., no one was arguing we were a young team. We all thought we'd be better and it obviously didn't happen that way. Those assets were sold off and the coach/GM were fired, basically having to reset itself.

You're not exactly having this discussion in good faith, clearly and you're exaggerating the timeline of it as well especially with Fitz's time in charge.

Take it easy man, look at the standings and be happy.
 

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So you expected this team (2019 version), to have become Top 5 in around 2020/21?

There's Devils advocate and then there's whatever hill it is that you are choosing to die on now.
No I expected gradual improvement in 2020, 2021, and 2022....to the culmination of good. Not bottom 5 every year and getting worse 3 years in a row.

It's great what we are seeing right now but acting like "oh we are ahead of schedule" is a f***ing joke.
 
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