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Yea, I thought he was getting better at getting out of the way of the puck, but I guess not.
Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part IV
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Emperoreddy
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You still haven’t answered what your argument even is. Is he lying about everything in the article?
You seem to be saying that by saying he planned to quit when his salary went to 1m all along.
I posted the article to respond to claims that there was no actual allergy that would make him quit. Is that the stupid part of my argument?
Or believing Hossa when he said his quality of life was so poor that he felt he needed quit rather than keep playing with the effects of both the allergy and medication?
Sure, if he was making a ton more in salary he would have another reason to gut out another season despite the great difficulties he was suffering.
So what? It doesn’t make his experience any different than what he described. If he didn’t have that allergy he would have continued playing, I cut the part of the article describing how much he enjoyed playing in the NHL. Plenty of guys play for 1m.
Sorry if you don’t see how one sided and simplistic your argument is. It only makes sense if you don’t listen to Hossa and to me that means it’s simply not realistic.
You seem to be saying that by saying he planned to quit when his salary went to 1m all along.
I posted the article to respond to claims that there was no actual allergy that would make him quit. Is that the stupid part of my argument?
Or believing Hossa when he said his quality of life was so poor that he felt he needed quit rather than keep playing with the effects of both the allergy and medication?
Sure, if he was making a ton more in salary he would have another reason to gut out another season despite the great difficulties he was suffering.
So what? It doesn’t make his experience any different than what he described. If he didn’t have that allergy he would have continued playing, I cut the part of the article describing how much he enjoyed playing in the NHL. Plenty of guys play for 1m.
Sorry if you don’t see how one sided and simplistic your argument is. It only makes sense if you don’t listen to Hossa and to me that means it’s simply not realistic.
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TrufleShufle
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We are closer to 2024 than we were yesterday.
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hey, look who finally made it to the finish line! that’s literally all i was saying- he stepped away because his salary dropped, and because he was LTI and didn’t retire, it worked out for everybody. he would’ve kept going for more money, but since his salary dropped he left. not retired- left. who could have seen him leaving early except for literally the entire hockey world when he signed it?
your dumbass rant about sherlock holmes and ‘all players are liars’ had me questioning your reading comprehension, but you managed to get the piece of cheese in the end. please spare me another anthology response because i stopped caring about this 6 hours ago.
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It seems that while some people thought VV hurt himself on that save last night, the real person that got hurt wasn't being filmed. That save broke Blackwood's heart, and sometimes that's the worst injury of them all
It's in the semantics. As someone who knows all too well how serious this sort of condition can be, there is a disconnect between calling something an "equipment allergy" and an autoimmune condition. No one would have blinked twice at the latter.
Palat back AND Mackenzie is out?
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I don’t know if he would have continued for more money, I said it would have given him an extra reason to try to keep playing. It’s called basic logic.
You still don’t have an argument beyond that one point and you keep breaking your arm patting yourself on the back just for that, but ok.
You still don’t take into account why he actually quit.
MartyOwns
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yeah i’ve been sitting here for 6 hours praying someone would bring it up again so i could keep patting myself on the back (over something everybody in the world knew when he signed the deal). you got me there.
i’ve addressed everything you’re saying earlier this morning, i have no interest in retyping it.
You're saying he stepped away because his salary dropped...but he still got his full salary regardless because he went on LTIR and didn't retire. That's what makes no sense about your "he walked away because his salary dropped argument" - he was getting it either way, whether he played or went on LTIR.
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i’m aware of that, as i said a million times he was not going to play any of the last 4 years with a base salary of $1M. obviously. i swear to god i’m not responding to any more of these, no matter how absurd the replies are. think whatever you’d like.
I'm confused how this enthralling discussion reminiscent of the classic Orson Welles radio broadcasts has anything to do with Devils Team Discussion?
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To be fair on the Hossa argument, those long, backdiving contracts like Hossa's started happening before "LTIRetirement" became so widespread a thing. Once a few intrepid GMs started doing it, and not getting any push-back from the league, did the LTIR loophole really start getting exploited.
Pretty much everyone knew that guys weren't going to be playing the whole contract a minute after they signed it. Originally, we thought because the guy already made $78M in 8 years of his 10 year, $80M contract or whatever, so why would he bother slogging through 2 years in his late 30s for $2m? He'll retire and the cap hit will go away. Then the LTIR loophole got popular and dude could just claim wear and tear once he was ready to call it and still get that $2M with the team only minorly inconvenienced.
Pretty much everyone knew that guys weren't going to be playing the whole contract a minute after they signed it. Originally, we thought because the guy already made $78M in 8 years of his 10 year, $80M contract or whatever, so why would he bother slogging through 2 years in his late 30s for $2m? He'll retire and the cap hit will go away. Then the LTIR loophole got popular and dude could just claim wear and tear once he was ready to call it and still get that $2M with the team only minorly inconvenienced.
Did he have, and were we aware of, the skin condition when he signed that deal?
Without knowing he had it im not sure we could have known he was going to retire early.
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3 blown coverages? This team is easy to create offense against. Zero structure in the D zone. Lindy needs to go
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Pretty good compared to other teams most nights. Blues must have had 12 blown coverages.
Baffling deployment this last month. They are actively putting players in positions to fail.
The forward line-up needs wholesale changes. I'd shake up the D until Marino is back too.
Shara - Hughes - Palat
Tatar - Hischier - Bratt
Haula - Mercer - Zetterlund
Wood - McLeod - ???
I feel like Hughes could really benefit from some actual talent on his line. Palat works the boards, Shara is the shooter and both can hang with Jacks skating. I am tired of the faceoff excuse bullshit.
Second line writes itself.
Third line is a continuing problem for this roster. I just don't see a good fit for it. All I know is that Haula needs to get back to basics and this line doesn't hurt defensively.
I really don't know what you do without Bastian at 4RW. Holtz there is a waste, now that Palat is back I don't see space for him in the top 6. Maybe give Clarke the call?
Graves - Hamilton
Siegs - Severson
Bahl - Smith
Split up Siegs and Dougie. They need a shake-up in the worst way. Severson has improved lately and Siegs needs to simplify his game.
Dougie is an adventure some nights (tonight a prime example). Have Graves sit back and do yeoman work.
VV
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Goaltending is a mess. VV is the only guy I have confidence in. Bleh.
The forward line-up needs wholesale changes. I'd shake up the D until Marino is back too.
Shara - Hughes - Palat
Tatar - Hischier - Bratt
Haula - Mercer - Zetterlund
Wood - McLeod - ???
I feel like Hughes could really benefit from some actual talent on his line. Palat works the boards, Shara is the shooter and both can hang with Jacks skating. I am tired of the faceoff excuse bullshit.
Second line writes itself.
Third line is a continuing problem for this roster. I just don't see a good fit for it. All I know is that Haula needs to get back to basics and this line doesn't hurt defensively.
I really don't know what you do without Bastian at 4RW. Holtz there is a waste, now that Palat is back I don't see space for him in the top 6. Maybe give Clarke the call?
Graves - Hamilton
Siegs - Severson
Bahl - Smith
Split up Siegs and Dougie. They need a shake-up in the worst way. Severson has improved lately and Siegs needs to simplify his game.
Dougie is an adventure some nights (tonight a prime example). Have Graves sit back and do yeoman work.
VV
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Goaltending is a mess. VV is the only guy I have confidence in. Bleh.
If someone told me before the season the Devils would be 2.5 games out of first in the division in January, I’d be ecstatic. So that’s great.
BUT, we really need a statement win against a rival. Saturday is massive.
BUT, we really need a statement win against a rival. Saturday is massive.
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Play like they did tonight, they’ll win.
Unless Shesterkin gets his fairy godmother to turn the pumpkin back into a carriage like last year's. But yes, there should be no reason why we can't dominate the Rangers.
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We 'should' dominate a Ranger team that's won 11 of 14 while we've lost 10 of 13 including eight straight at home? You guys are getting too wrapped up with charts.
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