Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part III

[Darkauron]

You always this negative? Every post of yours I've seen today is leaning hard into the pessimism. I guess there are a few every free agency/deadline day

Lmao nice first post rando

 

[Billdo]

Nemec is going to play 19-20 minutes a night like Severson did on the “3rd pairing” in his final year in NJ. He will not be playing a small role or be sent down in favor of a league minimum player.

Thank you, Sheldon.

 

[JimEIV]

Nemec is going to play 19-20 minutes a night like Severson

If Luke and Pesce are playing 22/23 and Dougie and Siegenthaler are doing the same it'll be impossible.

He'll be 16/17 minutes with PK if the top 4 are playing that much.

Severson got up that high because he played top 4 minutes got #2 PP and #5PK .... Nemec, if everyone is healthy, won't get top 4 minutes with Pesce and Dougie and won't get nearly the special teams time.

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

I could see Luke and Dougie (separate pairs) playing 22 a night, therefore Nemec would be around 18 Id think

Edit: then next year work Nemec into the PP1 a bit over Dougie, rounding out to 20 - climb from there

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Thank you, Sheldon.

You’re right, let’s entertain the possibility that Johnathan Kovacevic gets the nod over him.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

If Luke and Pesce are playing 22/23 and Dougie and Siegenthaler are doing the same it'll be impossible.

He'll be 16/17 minutes with PK if the top 4 are playing that much.

Severson got up that high because he played top 4 minutes got #2 PP and #5PK .... Nemec, if everyone is healthy, won't get top 4 minutes with Pesce and Dougie and won't get nearly the special teams time.

Dougie has averaged 21:28 as a Devil and is coming off a pec tear. Pesce played 20:17 last year. I expect the pairings to be fairly evenly spread out.

 

[Bleedred]

Or maybe ?

I forgot what Keith Morris looked like without the long dreadlocks and those thick weird glasses he looks like he got from Ringo Starr.

And Greg Hetson with a full head of hair, long before he started to look like the brother of John’s MacLean and Hynes.

 

[Bleedred]

Wait, why does anyone think Nemec will be in the minors or scratched in favor of Kovacevic?

I get the feeling DeSimone is the one who goes to the minors.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Love to get some rumors of what Fitz is looking at

 

[JimEIV]

Dougie has averaged 21:28 as a Devil and is coming off a pec tear. Pesce played 20:17 last year. I expect the pairings to be fairly evenly spread out.

We'll see...but I don't think so.

Not anywhere close 20 anyhow.. maybe 18 and change at best.... I don't think he will break 19 minutes though as the 6th and 4th PKer

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

Wait, why does anyone think Nemec will be in the minors or scratched in favor of Kovacevic?

I get the feeling DeSimone is the one who goes to the minors.

Are we worried about losing Hatakka? If not I think DeSimone stays; though odd to give him a one way then if you werent worried about losing Hatakka

Dougie has averaged 21:28 as a Devil and is coming off a pec tear. Pesce played 20:17 last year. I expect the pairings to be fairly evenly spread out.

Pesce also averaged 22 two seasons ago

 

[NJDevs26]

Wait, why does anyone think Nemec will be in the minors or scratched in favor of Kovacevic?

I get the feeling DeSimone is the one who goes to the minors.

Probably because A) Nemec isn't a big boy while Kovacevic is and B) because of the whole Green scratching him his first game stuff making people paranoid that they want to slow-roll him a bit.

But I agree, chalk is Nemec is playing and this guy's just the Smith replacement.

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

Im really rooting for Bastian to (make it first) prove himself in camp and earn that 4RW spot; hes literally bled for this team when others wouldnt and I believe that heart is infectious

 

[NjDevsRR]

Lmao nice first post rando

Not a rando per-say, he has been lurking for a year. He liked many of my posts, guess he finally wanted to start posting

 

[njdevils1982]

Certainly would be an imposing defense.

Dougie 6'6 230
Siegenthaler 6-2 218
Luke 6-2 184
Pesce 6-3 208
Dillion 6'4 220
Kovacevic 6'5 223


One for one it makes sense. But really Smith was the 6th and now Nemec is the 6th and Kovacevic the 7th...4th RHD. I'm assuming.

Edit:
I guess Smith would've been the 7th if Dougie was healthy

f***, so many year since paul martin logged minutes... soft as f*** after the last cup


he got his TOI before people scrutinized this shit.


our 1st line D

f*** that.... have some balls as a team. minus bahl it seems

 

[Devil X]

If Luke and Pesce are playing 22/23 and Dougie and Siegenthaler are doing the same it'll be impossible.

He'll be 16/17 minutes with PK if the top 4 are playing that much.

Severson got up that high because he played top 4 minutes got #2 PP and #5PK .... Nemec, if everyone is healthy, won't get top 4 minutes with Pesce and Dougie and won't get nearly the special teams time.

I am assuming that Nemec will be the 4th PK defensemen behind Pesce Dillon and Siegenthaler.

I am guessing that Hamilton runs PP1 but both Luke and Nemec will likely be on PP2.

So if Nemec is pulling both PP and PK time he can def hit those minute marks.

 

[Xirik]

an entire ten minutes of Dangle and crew talking about how great the Devils are.




Dangle tries to do Dano's voice at the end and says "Anything can happen in Jersey"

 

[Nubmer6]

If Luke and Pesce are playing 22/23 and Dougie and Siegenthaler are doing the same it'll be impossible.

Overtime!!!

 

[JimEIV]

I am assuming that Nemec will be the 4th PK defensemen behind Pesce Dillon and Siegenthaler.

I am guessing that Hamilton runs PP1 but both Luke and Nemec will likely be on PP2.

So if Nemec is pulling both PP and PK time he can def hit those minute marks.

Dougie didn't run PP1 when he was healthy last year...now I'm not saying that he wont, but if they knock Luke down to PP2 there's little chance he's sharing that time with anyone...at least not for any significant amount of time.

I don't think you can get to 19 minutes being the 6th defender at ES without heavy special teams.

Will Butcher actually got to 19:16 as the #6 ES.

In 2019 butcher averaged 19:16 with 16:22 of ES ATOI as the #6 and 2:46 of PP time. The other 7 seconds average was PK time.

Dillion will probably come in around 19 minutes as the #5 and top unit PK.


1st unit PK is absolutely going to be Dillon and Pesce

2nd will be Siegenthaler and Nemec.

The #1 PP s going to be Luke/Dougie
The #2 PP is going to be Luke/Dougie



So last year our #4 PKer averaged 1:55...it was Siegenthaler.

In 2023 our number #4 PKer was Smith at 1:35. In 2022 our #4 PKer was Kevin Bahl at 1:00


Our #6 Defender at ES ATOI was Kevin Bahl at 15:32 this year

In 2023 the #6 ES ATOI was Luke Hughes for 2 games at 16:08 then Brendan Smith at 13:55

in 2022 the #6 in ES ATOI was Ty Smith at 16:04

The #6 has been around 16 minutes ES


If you take the highest #4 PKer of the last 3 years it's 1:55 and then take the highest #6 at ES of the last 3 years it's Ty Smith at 16:04...add the two and you have 17:59.

 

[Devil X]

Dougie didn't run PP1 when he was healthy last year...now I'm not saying that he wont, but if they knock Luke down to PP2 there's little chance he's sharing that time with anyone...at least not for any significant amount of time.

I don't think you can get to 19 minutes being the 6th defender at ES without heavy special teams.

Will Butcher actually got to 19:16 as the #6 ES.

In 2019 butcher averaged 19:16 with 16:22 of ES ATOI as the #6 and 2:46 of PP time. The other 7 seconds average was PK time.

Dillion will probably come in around 19 minutes as the #5 and top unit PK.


1st unit PK is absolutely going to be Dillon and Pesce

2nd will be Siegenthaler and Nemec.

The #1 PP s going to be Luke/Dougie
The #2 PP is going to be Luke/Dougie



So last year our #4 PKer averaged 1:55...it was Siegenthaler.

In 2023 our number #4 PKer was Smith at 1:35. In 2022 our #4 PKer was Kevin Bahl at 1:00


Our #6 Defender at ES ATOI was Kevin Bahl at 15:32 this year

In 2023 the #6 ES ATOI was Luke Hughes for 2 games at 16:08 then Brendan Smith at 13:55

in 2022 the #6 in ES ATOI was Ty Smith at 16:04

The #6 has been around 16 minutes ES


If you take the highest #4 PKer of the last 3 years it's 1:55 and then take the highest #6 at ES of the last 3 years it's Ty Smith at 16:04...add the two and you have 17:59.

I mean time will tell whether Luke and Hamilton are on PP1 and Nemec is running PP2 or Luke is running PP2 I still think giving then current makeup of the team Nemec is going to be one of the more skilled offensive players on the team and make that PP2.

I guess it really depends on how the set up the power plays.

The other possibility is Dougie is just a shooter and Luke runs PP1 and Nemec runs PP2.

 

[Nubmer6]

Dougie didn't run PP1 when he was healthy last year...now I'm not saying that he wont, but if they knock Luke down to PP2 there's little chance he's sharing that time with anyone...at least not for any significant amount of time.

I don't think you can get to 19 minutes being the 6th defender at ES without heavy special teams.

Will Butcher actually got to 19:16 as the #6 ES.

In 2019 butcher averaged 19:16 with 16:22 of ES ATOI as the #6 and 2:46 of PP time. The other 7 seconds average was PK time.

Dillion will probably come in around 19 minutes as the #5 and top unit PK.


1st unit PK is absolutely going to be Dillon and Pesce

2nd will be Siegenthaler and Nemec.

The #1 PP s going to be Luke/Dougie
The #2 PP is going to be Luke/Dougie



So last year our #4 PKer averaged 1:55...it was Siegenthaler.

In 2023 our number #4 PKer was Smith at 1:35. In 2022 our #4 PKer was Kevin Bahl at 1:00


Our #6 Defender at ES ATOI was Kevin Bahl at 15:32 this year

In 2023 the #6 ES ATOI was Luke Hughes for 2 games at 16:08 then Brendan Smith at 13:55

in 2022 the #6 in ES ATOI was Ty Smith at 16:04

The #6 has been around 16 minutes ES


If you take the highest #4 PKer of the last 3 years it's 1:55 and then take the highest #6 at ES of the last 3 years it's Ty Smith at 16:04...add the two and you have 17:59.

If it were my decision, I'd probably have Luke and Simon running PP1 and PP2 and use Dougie in a shooting role off the half boards.

I'm also wondering if Noesen will be on the PP. He seemed to do very well netfront for Carolina.

 

[SKNJD9]

Love to get some rumors of what Fitz is looking at

trade market mostly, from what i've been told, i'm not a first party source by any means but just part of a community that got tipped off on a few things kinda why I haven't been around much in the last cpl yrs. Got tipped off on the Macdermid trade about a half hr before it got announced and was told about Pesce the day before Friedman mentioned it on 32 thoughts 2 weeks ago...and pretty sure I made a Dillon " prediction " here on the boards 3 or so weeks ago. Cpl ppl from here know what I'm talking about I think.

 

[JimEIV]

trade market mostly, from what i've been told, i'm not a first party source by any means but just part of a community that got tipped off on a few things kinda why I haven't been around much in the last cpl yrs. Got tipped off on the Macdermid trade about a half hr before it got announced and was told about Pesce the day before Friedman mentioned it on 32 thoughts 2 weeks ago...and pretty sure I made a Dillon " prediction " here on the boards 3 or so weeks ago. Cpl ppl from here know what I'm talking about I think.

You have any trade targets?

 

[Nubmer6]

I REALLY would like to sign a couple/few forwards for Utica that are good enough to call up in case of injuries. We now have plenty of depth on D and in goal when players go down (unless we're forced to use like 8 goalies again like we did a few years ago), but we really have nothing backing up the forwards.

Hell, we may have to call up Seamus to play forward if we just lose a couple wings.

 

[Bleedred]

Are we worried about losing Hatakka? If not I think DeSimone stays; though odd to give him a one way then if you werent worried about losing Hatakka

I don’t think the organization cares much about Hatakka or sees him as more than a depth guy.

It sucks because I like the guy, but it is what it is. He got sent back later last year when he really shouldn’t have been, and the team had nothing to play for anymore.