Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part III

[Lou is God]

Refuse to?
He didn't really get a chance to rebuild. Not saying he would have...but there really was no window there.

2012 finals....2013 a scramble to replace Parise... 2013 Kovalchuck gets freaky and his Mom starts tweeting...

2014 is really the first real opportunity to begin a rebuild in my opinion...and you can argue he begins it with going out and getting Schneider...it was definitely a poor decision...

End of 2015 he was gone.

I don't know where or when he refused to rebuild? But I don't think he ever had the opportunity.

I remember him being quoted "I don't rebuild, I reload".

I don't think rebuilding is in Lou's DNA

 

[Emperoreddy]

I think Casey for Mcgroarty makes a lot of sense tbh. I am not sure what WPG's needs are though.

I recall people saying they needed RD at the NHL level which was why Marino was included in a lot of trades.

Idk prospect wise, but I agree at least on our end it makes sense.

 

[JimEIV]

I remember him being quoted "I don't rebuild, I reload".

I don't think rebuilding is in Lou's DNA

Yup .. definitely true. But the window from the finals to our the door was 3 years with a lockout in those 3 years... retool, reload, rebuild? In 2&1/2 seasons?

I mean we've been "rebuilding" for 9 consecutive seasons since Lou left now .

 

[NJDevs26]

I remember him being quoted "I don't rebuild, I reload".

I don't think rebuilding is in Lou's DNA

Yeah he never has in his career and sure wasn’t gonna start at age 70+

 

[britdevil]

I remember him being quoted "I don't rebuild, I reload".

I don't think rebuilding is in Lou's DNA

Yeah and he reloaded with blanks.

 

[Lou is God]

Yup .. definitely true. But the window from the finals to our the door was 3 years with a lockout in those 3 years... retool, reload, rebuild? In 2&1/2 seasons?

I mean we've been "rebuilding" for 9 consecutive seasons since Lou left now .

Lou doesn't rebuild, he never has. Not sure what your point is.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Oh God, can we not have the Lou debate again?

 

[JimEIV]

Yeah he never has in his career and sure wasn’t gonna start at age 70+

That's not true either. You can't go 28 years and not rebuild. He's transformed the team multiple times from 1987 to 2012.

 

[JimEIV]

Oh God, can we not have the Lou debate again?

I didn't bring it up. I came here to praise Fitz for prioritizing Defense.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Refuse to?
He didn't really get a chance to rebuild. Not saying he would have...but there really was no window there.

2012 finals....2013 a scramble to replace Parise... 2013 Kovalchuck gets freaky and his Mom starts tweeting...

2014 is really the first real opportunity to begin a rebuild in my opinion...and you can argue he begins it with going out and getting Schneider...it was definitely a poor decision...

End of 2015 he was gone.

I don't know where or when he refused to rebuild? But I don't think he ever had the opportunity.

It was definitely after the 2013 year when Kovy said bye to this team, the Schneider trade was great but there was no real plan behind that. The team was pretty garbage/mediocre and just lost its 2 best forwards without getting nothing in return. That's a death sentence in the cap era

 

[JimEIV]

Lou doesn't rebuild, he never has. Not sure what your point is.

Pretty amazing to be a GM of an organization for 27 seasons and have an above .500 record in 23 of them without rebuilding.

It was definitely after the 2013 year when Kovy said bye to this team, the Schneider trade was great but there was no real plan behind that. The team was pretty garbage/mediocre and just lost its 2 best forwards without getting nothing in return. That's a death sentence in the cap era

That would have been the 2014 season.
Kovalchuck played in the lockout shortened 2013 season and left at the end of it.

From the time Kovalchuck left and Lou went to Toronto 2 seasons were played. 2013-14 and 2014-15. He was gone in May of 2015. That's one year to rebuild, two off seasons, the summer of 2013 to the summer of 2014. It was always ludicrous to judge that tiny timeframe with such viciousness and irrationality. Considering 2 and half decades of success.

 

[TrufleShufle]

You guys are so weird. Spend so much pointless time and effort trying to convince Jim to see things your way. Jim in his Jim way, says "I see it now," And everyone jumps on him about how wrong he was and other stuff he probably still believes to get him to keep arguing.

The fish have become the Jims.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Pretty amazing to be a GM of an organization for 27 seasons and have an above .500 record in 23 of them without rebuilding.



That would have been the 2014 season.
Kovalchuck played in the lockout shortened 2013 season and left at the end of it.

From the time Kovalchuck left and Lou went to Toronto 2 seasons were played. 2013-14 and 2014-15. He was gone in May of 2015. That's one year to rebuild, two off seasons, the summer of 2013 to the summer of 2014. It was always ludicrous to judge that tiny timeframe with such viciousness and irrationality. Considering 2 and half decades of success.

They got Cory Schneider at the 2013 draft, I was literally there Jim lol

 

[JimEIV]

You guys are so weird. Spend so much pointless time and effort trying to convince Jim to see things your way. Jim in his Jim way, says "I see it now," And everyone jumps on him about how wrong he was and other stuff he probably still believes to get him to keep arguing.

The fish have become the Jims.

Or maybe ?

 

[MadDevil]

Can we have a separate thread where the old timers can go to wax Lou's pole?

 

[Lou is God]

Pretty amazing to be a GM of an organization for 27 seasons and have an above .500 record in 23 of them without rebuilding.

His and Conte's drafting the last half of it is what buried Lou, before he had the bullets (assets) to keep reloading, towards the end of his tenure all chambers were empty as was his holster. The cupboard was bare.

Can we have a separate thread where the old timers can go to wax Lou's pole?

Who are you calling old-timers?

 

[HoliksGhost]

Can we have a separate thread where the old timers can go to wax Lou's pole?

Don’t worry about my pole - Lou

 

[JimEIV]

They got Cory Schneider at the 2013 draft, I was literally there Jim lol

Right...and he didn't play for the New Jersey Devils until the 2013-14 season.....the 2014 season.

 

[Its Always Sundstrom]

Can we have a separate thread where the old timers can go to wax Lou's pole?

Not enough wax to go around.

 

[Bcap88]

Jim had an epiphany and now it’s about to get side tracked by Lou talk

 

[Emperoreddy]

Let Jim be happy for one night!

 

[JimEIV]

Jim had an epiphany and now it’s about to get side tracked by Lou talk

That shit was brought up because what Fitz is doing is rebuilding the defense on the fly... I never brought it up....but the parallels between how how Lou did it for a long time are obvious...

Lou did it with trades and lower picks ...Fitz is doing it with Free Agents and high picks but the parallels are there nonetheless. ....that triggered some obviously... otherwise no reason whatsoever to bring up Lou.

 

[Devilsgrl35]

Let Jim be happy for one night!

Is that allowed? Do we have to check with the manager?

 

[Bcap88]

That shit was brought up because what Fitz is doing is rebuilding the defense on the fly... I never brought it up....but the parallels between how how Lou did it for a long time are obvious...

Lou did with trades and lower picks ...Fitz is doing it with Free Agents and high picks but the parallels are there nonetheless. ....that triggered some obviously... otherwise no reason whatsoever to bring up Lou.

I know you didn’t bring it up

I was just saying

 

[Darkauron]

Let Jim be happy for one night!

Never. For all of the pain he creates!