Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part III

[Bleedred]

Shootout specialist.

DeBoer lost something like 20 shootouts in a row, never practiced them, and Josefson was the only guy scoring in them.

Cost them the playoffs that year.

Actually....

I don't think Josefson even scored a shootout goal that year that we were like 0-13 in the shootout and missed the playoffs. If he did score then it was only once. I think we only had 3 or 4 goals in the shootout that whole year and I clearly remember the sick rapist scoring one and I think Brunner scored two or maybe he only even scored one.

In fact, I don't think he was used in the shootout too much at all that year. I'd be willing to bet hardly ever. That was even before we knew he was good at the shootout.

He wasn't even playing every game that year and was a healthy scratch a lot, which I can't say I disagreed with too much, as he wasn't showing enough in-game.

 

[Its Always Sundstrom]

Nico interviewed.

 

[NjDevsRR]

New Dano face just dropped @NjDevsRR

Also an article that might be interesting, haven't read it yet though lol

Saved, locked and loaded.

 

[Tusks Up]

New Dano face just dropped @NjDevsRR

Also an article that might be interesting, haven't read it yet though lol

Are we sure that isnt already a meme face?

The camera angle on Ken makes it seem like thats a photoshopped head lol

 

[NjDevsRR]

Are we sure that isnt already a meme face?

The camera angle on Ken makes it seem like thats a photoshopped head lol

Maybe the Devils hired me. Who knows

 

[Goptor]

Actually....

I don't think Josefson even scored a shootout goal that year that we were like 0-13 in the shootout and missed the playoffs. If he did score then it was only once. I think we only had 3 or 4 goals in the shootout that whole year and I clearly remember the sick rapist scoring one and I think Brunner scored two or maybe he only even scored one.

In fact, I don't think he was used in the shootout too much at all that year. I'd be willing to bet hardly ever. That was even before we knew he was good at the shootout.

He wasn't even playing every game that year and was a healthy scratch a lot, which I can't say I disagreed with too much, as he wasn't showing enough in-game.

Apparently he didn't play for the team that year. I did find the game that finally stopped the shootout losing streak. Winnipeg Jets vs. New Jersey Devils Box Score: October 30, 2014 | Hockey-Reference.com

Also relating to shootouts, Devils top scorers since that season ( Worse than You Think Since 2013: The New Jersey Devils & Shootouts ):

1. Jacob Josefson: 11-for-19, 57.9% shooting percentage
2. Nikita Gusev: 7-for-12, 58.3% shooting percentage
3. Michael Cammalleri: 5-for-14, 35.7% shooting percentage
4. Drew Stafford, 5-for-13, 38.5% shooting percentage
5. Kyle Palmieri: 4-for-22, 18.2% shooting percentage
6. Patrik Elias: 3-for-15, 20% shooting percentage
7. Taylor Hall: 3-for-16, 18.8% shooting percentage
8. Jesper Bratt, 3-for-11, 27.3% shooting percentage

 

[Bleedred]

Apparently he didn't play for the team that year. I did find the game that finally stopped the shootout losing streak. Winnipeg Jets vs. New Jersey Devils Box Score: October 30, 2014 | Hockey-Reference.com

Also relating to shootouts, Devils top scorers since that season ( Worse than You Think Since 2013: The New Jersey Devils & Shootouts ):

1. Jacob Josefson: 11-for-19, 57.9% shooting percentage
2. Nikita Gusev: 7-for-12, 58.3% shooting percentage
3. Michael Cammalleri: 5-for-14, 35.7% shooting percentage
4. Drew Stafford, 5-for-13, 38.5% shooting percentage
5. Kyle Palmieri: 4-for-22, 18.2% shooting percentage
6. Patrik Elias: 3-for-15, 20% shooting percentage
7. Taylor Hall: 3-for-16, 18.8% shooting percentage
8. Jesper Bratt, 3-for-11, 27.3% shooting percentage

Josefson definitely did play for the Devils in 13-14, just wasn't used in the shootout or hardly before that year either. I swear I remember him being used in a shootout in the MacLean/Lemaire year in 10-11 (I swore I did?) when he was a rookie, but it wasn't regularly until 14-15.

I think Bratt is better than 3 for 11 career. Is this list up to today?

Palmieri was terrible. Almost as bad as Henrique in them, yet we kept throwing him out there until literally the day he was traded. It was inexcusable at that point. I almost wanna blame Nas for that, as he was the common denominator that was there in his earlier years here and up through the end. And he started using him a lot when he became the interim head coach and it continued into the next year with Ruff until he was traded at the deadline. Either Nas or Ruff for not realizing how terrible Palmieri was in shootouts in his first year here.

 

[Goptor]

Josefson definitely did play for the Devils in 13-14, just wasn't used in the shootout or hardly before that year either. I swear I remember him being used in a shootout in the MacLean/Lemaire year in 10-11 (I swore I did?) when he was a rookie, but it wasn't regularly until 14-15.

I think Bratt is better than 3 for 11 career. Is this list up to today?

Palmieri was terrible. Almost as bad as Henrique in them, yet we kept throwing him out there until literally the day he was traded. It was inexcusable at that point. I almost wanna blame Nas for that, as he was the common denominator that was there in his earlier years here and up through the end. And he started using him a lot when he became the interim head coach and it continued into the next year with Ruff until he was traded at the deadline. Either Nas or Ruff for not realizing how terrible Palmieri was in shootouts in his first year here.

The article i copied it from was written Oct 14th, 2021

 

[Triumph]

I know it’s off topic, but…

Remember when Jacob Josefson was getting labeled as our powerplay specialist?

Shootout specialist.

DeBoer lost something like 20 shootouts in a row, never practiced them, and Josefson was the only guy scoring in them.

Cost them the playoffs that year.

Nope, he was right, powerplay specialist, Josefson played on PP1 for most of 2015-16 and he was pretty good there. He ended up with 11 power play points and 2 points at ES in 58 games, a feat that is unlikely to be duplicated in the NHL.

there’s probably 1 goal every 2-3 games that comes directly from possession off of winning a draw. most goals are scored off the rush or due to sustained pressure. you nerds

no chance that it's this high. Even if you're saying 1 goal for both teams involved, it's not this high.

 

[Tusks Up]

yeah i would love some actual stats on how many goals are scored on a play where there is not a single change of possession.

take special teams out of it and i’d bet the number is impressively small compared to how many face offs are taken

Id prefer some stats on how often a faceoff leads to a possession toward/in the offensive zone; and whether theres a change in possession or not, really it only matters if the puck is gotten out of the zone. So thatd include defensive zone and neutral zone faceoffs where the first possession gets the puck into the offensive zone, and then before it leaves a goal is scored.

Super specific parameters and I doubt theres anything on it but that would be the ideal way to measure the efficacy of faceoffs when it comes to scoring rates on the following push, in my opinion

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

I read the Sports Forecaster's yearly yearbook, and just wanted to drop this one off here:

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i really hate to cheer for a player to be terrible, but it’s hard not to be excited to see the reaction after ~30 Bruins games of this “go to the dirty areas” Pavel Zacha that they think exists.

 

[njdevils1982]

i had to skip over this whole page to avoid glimpses of shootout stats.

shootout free since twenty-one-three

 

[Triumph]

Id prefer some stats on how often a faceoff leads to a possession toward/in the offensive zone; and whether theres a change in possession or not, really it only matters if the puck is gotten out of the zone. So thatd include defensive zone and neutral zone faceoffs where the first possession gets the puck into the offensive zone, and then before it leaves a goal is scored.

Super specific parameters and I doubt theres anything on it but that would be the ideal way to measure the efficacy of faceoffs when it comes to scoring rates on the following push, in my opinion

The reason you won't find it is because it isn't useful. Hockey is just a way more chaotic game than you think.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

I think Bratt is better than 3 for 11 career. Is this list up to today?

Before this past season, he was actually bad at them.

So..there's a game this friday yea?

 

[Guttersniped]

faceoffs matter, but holding possession matters even more. you can "win" a faceoff and still lose possession like immediately after the fact. a win (iirc) is dictated by who solidly holds on to the puck right after the two guys take it

at least, that's how we tracked it when I did hockey stats at BU

People are being weird about this.

We have several good face off guys with the addition of Haula, I’ve seen keeping possession at times be a bigger issue for us.

And yes, they’re more important on special teams when icing isn’t a thing for one side. McLeod’s role was reduced to a 4C by the end of last season and he’s needed on the PK, so some people need to get over his existence.

If it’s about Hughes, at the start of last season I was hoping he would improve at face-offs. Then Jack got a shoulder injury 3 games in and I put that specific hope in storage for the season.

Now that he’s a strapping lad of 21, and healthy (knock on wood), I will again hope he can get more respectable there.

 

[Guttersniped]

Taylor Hall has been a bit underrated throughout his career, but I think that one person just made up for it (Market correction LOL) with that generous ''Forecast''.

Not that 77 points in 82 games this year would be the most shocking result for Taylor Hall, but it's also not a result to really bet a whole lot of money on. That's for sure.

63 points in 77 games would still be a pretty good season for Bratt.

Hall playing 81 games last season was a bit of a shocker too.

A 30 goal season for Hall be the 2nd of his career. He shot at a 30 goal rate (or better) a few times early on in Edmonton but didn’t play enough games.

That was a while ago, he’s done that once in the last 8 seasons, when he scored 39 goals.

He did play really well with Krejci in 2020-21 though, he exploded for a bunch of goals in his short stint after the TDL. (8 goals in 16 games, 7 with assists from Krejci.)

Krejci is 36 and has been away from the NHL for year, who knows where he’s at.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

The vendors part has been really jarring the last few years. Not sure how much has to do with the pandemic messing with a lot of businesses, and it's not like the Rock is bereft of good food or anything, but it's so weird to think back to the Tastes of Newark section having some really good Jersey-based variety in it and now seeing it as some generic Goya stand the whole way through or whatever it is now.

I don't have a ton of complaints about Prudential Center, but it does feel like they could probably do more with its aesthetics, some of its emptier spaces, and getting more local businesses involved and featured inside.

I've been saying this for years.

I go to Barclays several times per year and they nail it.

Complete and total missed opportunity to really stand out in the area. It's not like there's a dearth of slamming places in just Essex county alone.

How awesome would a tops diner, Hobby's (yes, I'm aware they tried this), a proper rodizio restaurant, one of the many awesome hot dog trucks in Newark, or a krugs burger be? Toss in a local pizza spot or two and I'm convinced you have a winner. Even a Surf Taco would make me happy, gotta throw those shore folks a bone.

 

[Guttersniped]

Actually....

I don't think Josefson even scored a shootout goal that year that we were like 0-13 in the shootout and missed the playoffs. If he did score then it was only once. I think we only had 3 or 4 goals in the shootout that whole year and I clearly remember the sick rapist scoring one and I think Brunner scored two or maybe he only even scored one.

In fact, I don't think he was used in the shootout too much at all that year. I'd be willing to bet hardly ever. That was even before we knew he was good at the shootout.

He wasn't even playing every game that year and was a healthy scratch a lot, which I can't say I disagreed with too much, as he wasn't showing enough in-game.

Hockey Reference lists results

2010-11 (3-2)

The calm before the storm.

2011-12 (15-13)

Looking sexy (if you don’t mind the insane number of shoot outs the team was in).

2012-13 (2-7)

Less sexiness here. Pete gets a bit random (or desperate) when throwing guys out, Bobby Butler is the 3rd shooter one night for no particular reason.

2013-14 (0-13)

JFC

Ok, the scrub with zero goals, Mike Sislo, gets in
a 9 round SO loss at Buffalo as the 9th shooter. (Foreshadowing: Drew Stafford scores for the Sabres in that SO.)

2014-15 (5-7)

Oh shit, Yayo

2015-16 (2-6)

Ok. Sure. (Schlemko got in as a 5th round shooter in a loss in Toronto.)

2016-17 (3-3)

We don’t do badly in SO but unfortunately we tend to lose in OT first.

2017-18 (5-4)

2018-19 (3-4)

Randos (Agostino, Noesen, etc) all get 1 attempt in 7 round shoot out at Vancouver that Damon Severson wins.

2019-20 (4-6)

2020-21 (0-5)

This season existed.

2021-22 (3-5)

Sharangovich won a 7 round SO vs the Habs in late March and Krieder won a 7 round SO in MSG in Nov. Whee!

 

[Better Call Sal]

Man, I miss Goose for the memes alone.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

New Dano face just dropped @NjDevsRR

Also an article that might be interesting, haven't read it yet though lol

Still no rookie roster but nice to see fluff like this from the PR department.

 

[MadDevil]

I'd almost forgotten how absolutely horrible Rico was at shootouts.

And Nico hasn't scored a shootout goal yet? I could swear he had.

 

[Devils731]

Players should be skating at the Pru practice rink.

I wonder if the team protects those unofficial skates or if a certain go getter could get some early video and comments.

 

[Nocashstyle]

Really worth a read

 

[HBK27]

Really worth a read

We finally get a good beat writer...and everything is behind a paywall. May have to at least do a trial to read this one.

Meanwhile, The Athletic has no beat writer and essentially zero coverage for the Devils and has added ads to the site, despite the original promise of it being ad free. The quality there is rapidly deteriorating.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

This may sound wild, but I'm being serious about the food thing.

What if we started a petition in regards to local vendors?

I'm guessing that between regular posters and lurkers there's anywhere between 75-100 of us.

I have at least 10 people in my life who are fans and guess some of you have more or can at least acquire signatures.

I have experience in the industry and will spearhead it if enough of you hmu. They're not going to listen to my random ass alone.

Edit: I'm guessing that between the reddit and Facebook groups - of which I'm not a part of - we can gain even more support. That giant Goya sign is trash.