Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part II

[glenwo2]

You should be upset regardless because in two years at the most, Bratt will not play here.

Why do you care?

You just called him a petulant child, a piece of shit, and whatever other name you came up with.

I don't know what your problem is with him but you're taking this way too personally, my guy.

If he's gone, then he's gone.

Yes.....this is the Bratt #1 fan telling you this.

So please calm down, okay?

 

[My3Sons]

Or it could be Bratt knowing he’s gonna win the arb hearing regardless so why bother negotiating a one year deal?

Why go to an arbitration if you don't have to? It should be a no brainer to have the discussion. If you can get the same money today and without having hearing that seems preferable to having the hearing? The dynamics are similar to the personal injury settlement and egos get in the way at times. I really hope that's not happening here.

 

[njdevils1982]

That would be being a prick for the sake of being a prick. That’s telling Fitz trade me now.

 

[glenwo2]

The hearing is tomorrow at 9am.

It is now 3 pm EST (just about).

Times-a-wastin', Fitz.

Either sign him to that 1-year BS thing or give him 4 years.

Letting this head to Arb would be a failure on HIS part, not Bratt's.

 

[HBK27]

Fitz is likely nickel and diming him on a 1 year here because of the cap crunch we’re in. Which is bad.

What type of a cap crunch are we in this season though?

We have $13.1M in cap space once you account for Bernier's $4.125 going on LTIR - more than enough to pay Bratt on a long-term deal and get Wood signed, which is all there's left to do.

I'm not crazy about Schneider's $2M buyout cap hit being on the books for this upcoming season and next though, but it hopefully shouldn't really impact us. Still think we bought him out a year too soon.

Unfortunately, things are not trending well for Bratt getting a long-term extension prior to 9AM tomorrow. One of the many reasons that would be preferable is that the Devils can easily absorb a higher cap hit this upcoming season on a long-term deal versus a one-year deal or arbitration award and trying again next season with a delayed, yet even higher cap hit.

The hearing is tomorrow at 9pm.

It is now 3 pm EST (just about).

Times-a-wastin', Fitz.

Either sign him to that 1-year BS thing or give him 4 years.

Letting this head to Arb would be a failure on HIS part, not Bratt's.

*am

 

[Classic Devil]

The hearing is tomorrow at 9pm.

It is now 3 pm EST (just about).

Times-a-wastin', Fitz.

Either sign him to that 1-year BS thing or give him 4 years.

Letting this head to Arb would be a failure on HIS part, not Bratt's.

Maybe, maybe not. I can think of a circumstance where both team and player are content with the 1-year contract. Bratt thinks he can earn a bigger contract next season, where he has two huge seasons to his name and the cap is going up, and Fitzy might be willing to let him prove himself and then sign long-term next offseason. Part of the issue here might simply be neither party feels any pressure to get this done right now.

 

[Darkauron]

Let me ask Dano what is going on. No one else knows but him! Anyone else that thinks they do are big babies

 

[RangerDoggo]

Why do you care?

You just called him a petulant child, a piece of shit, and whatever other name you came up with.

I don't know what your problem is with him but you're taking this way too personally, my guy.

If he's gone, then he's gone.

Yes.....this is the Bratt #1 fan telling you this.

So please calm down, okay?

He is all of those things but he's also really good, is why I care. We're worse without him than with and we won't get a deal that makes us better if/when we trade him. It's insulting as the fan of any team when it's clear that they don't like the guy you cheer for.

I'll calm down when he is signed to a reasonable deal or until he is traded, not a second sooner.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

Goals and durability are two big reasons to objectively take Brady over Bratt.

Over the last 4 season Brady has played 44 more games than Jesper....that's a half of season of extra hockey Ottawa got out of Brady than we got from Jesper...so if those two players are similar in PPG, the guy who is playing the extra 44 games over the same time period is giving significantly more to his team.

Goal scoring they aren't in the same league. Over the last 4 years Jesper had 57 and Brady had 90 goals.

Then you get to size and style of play
I don't know how anyone can make believe that 6'4 211 vs 5'10 175 is meaningless. It probably plays a significant role in those extra 44 games played...but one of these are able to play a lot of different ways and one simply can't...Jesper is never going to be able grind out goals, provide a net front presence or out muscle anyone in dirty areas... Brady can and he play in open fast pace game as well... Stylistically Brady provides many more options.

I think I am being objective here. I like Bratt a lot. He's an excellent player...but I'd take a Brady like player for this team in a second over Bratt for the goals alone and then the versatility..in fact I think the lack of versatility in players is the biggest problem for this organization.

 

[Bleedred]

Let me ask Dano what is going on. No one else knows but him! Anyone else that thinks they do are big babies

#AskDano

 

[HBK27]

Maybe, maybe not. I can think of a circumstance where both team and player are content with the 1-year contract. Bratt thinks he can earn a bigger contract next season, where he has two huge seasons to his name and the cap is going up, and Fitzy might be willing to let him prove himself and then sign long-term next offseason. Part of the issue here might simply be neither party feels any pressure to get this done right now.

Eh, Fitz is fairly transparent and has talked about Bratt being part of this core. Fairly sure he'd like to get him locked up on a long-term deal.

 

[Unknown Caller]

Or it could be Bratt knowing he’s gonna win the arb hearing regardless so why bother negotiating a one year deal?

There's no "winning" an arb hearing. It's not an arb construct where the arbitrator has to pick one submission or the other, they can and do pick in the range between the two submissions. The arbitrator generally splits the difference, or pretty close to it.

 

[New Jersey Devils]

We need Weekes-bomb so badly right now.

 

[Killing Joke]

I don’t mind dealing with Bratt, in another contract year, putting up ppg with a reasonable cap hit, then going into next offseason, with him still under team control.

Devils are in the driver seat here, hopefully fitz is using enough tact, to not damage the relationship long term.

The devils and him are close on the price, it’s the length they aren’t close with. Devils want him locked up, Bratt doesn’t want long term deal

 

[MVP Zacha]

Why go to an arbitration if you don't have to? It should be a no brainer to have the discussion. If you can get the same money today and without having hearing that seems preferable to having the hearing? The dynamics are similar to the personal injury settlement and egos get in the way at times. I really hope that's not happening here.

Because arbitration is fun. I arbitrate between 200-250 case a year and I get to fly all of the country.

 

[Eggtimer]

Why go to an arbitration if you don't have to? It should be a no brainer to have the discussion. If you can get the same money today and without having hearing that seems preferable to having the hearing? The dynamics are similar to the personal injury settlement and egos get in the way at times. I really hope that's not happening here.

Ya I do not want it going to Arb for numerous reasons. To me of the bigger reasons is that it may get ugly. Essentially Devils argue that he does not deserve X amount. Hopefully it doesn’t get too personal / negative .
” Well , you see ,he is a sawed off little midget that looks looks like he is 14 years old . Not sure if his plums have dropped yet and he looks like a blonde Pedro from Napoleon Dynamite . Surely he is not worth X amount of $ .”

 

[Guttersniped]

What type of a cap crunch are we in this season though?

We have $13.1M in cap space once you account for Bernier's $4.125 going on LTIR - more than enough to pay Bratt on a long-term deal and get Wood signed, which is all there's left to do.

I'm not crazy about Schneider's $2M buyout cap hit being on the books for this upcoming season and next though, but it hopefully shouldn't really impact us. Still think we bought him out a year too soon.

Unfortunately, things are not trending well for Bratt getting a long-term extension prior to 9AM tomorrow. One of the many reasons that would be preferable is that the Devils can easily absorb a higher cap hit this upcoming season on a long-term deal versus a one-year deal or arbitration award and trying again next season with a delayed, yet even higher cap hit.

Capping out sucks really sucks and has bad side effects. I also don’t know how long term any LTIR trips will be with Bernier and/or Wood.

I said I didn’t know how Fitz plans to deal with the issue, I don’t bother working out imaginary cap solutions because I’ll find out the real one eventually.

I just don’t like the idea of capping out and spending assets to move a contract sucks too. Buying out Tatar for a meager amount of cap savings also sucks.

I don’t think this should be a major problem in the Bratt negotiations but it doesn’t help.

I’m curious what the plan was going in, did they assume the trade market would be better? That Bratt would be cheaper? The Marino trade could have been a surprise but they were always planning on going for Gaudreau so they needed a big chunk of a available space.

The Wood move seems like a huge misstep.

I’m not particularly optimistic about Bratt (baring a miracle here) but I will hold out hope until next season nears it end.

If they agree put it off until after the season, it very likely means the two sides don’t see a long term deal happening. Then he should get moved before the draft. We don’t need another arbitration deadline to tell us what’s up by then.

 

[glenwo2]

He is all of those things but he's also really good, is why I care. We're worse without him than with and we won't get a deal that makes us better if/when we trade him. It's insulting as the fan of any team when it's clear that they don't like the guy you cheer for.

I'll calm down when he is signed to a reasonable deal or until he is traded, not a second sooner.

Well it's 3:20 pm right now so....tick tock....still time until 9am for something to happen.

 

[njdevils1982]

f*** YOU DUBAS for giving yawnson a 10 team no trade list for his final year on that contract

 

[My3Sons]

Because arbitration is fun. I arbitrate between 200-250 case a year and I get to fly all of the country.

How do you prepare for what amounts to an arbitration almost every work day? The ones we've done are close to trial prep.

 

[MVP Zacha]

How do you prepare for what amounts to an arbitration almost every work day? The ones we've done are close to trial prep.

I usually have 20 per docket. These are discipline as well as contract disputes for my Union.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Let me ask Dano what is going on. No one else knows but him! Anyone else that thinks they do are big babies

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#AskDano

 

[NJDevs26]

Gee I wonder what they're gonna ask him about lol

 

[My3Sons]

I usually have 20 per docket. These are discipline as well as contract disputes for my Union.

So you are the arbitrator? How do you read all the briefing and go over the exhibits prior to the arbitration? None of them last more than an hour with the competing testimony and cross examination? That's a crazy schedule. My wife can have a seemingly simple preliminary conference with a hearing office to set initial child support and it usually lasts more than the allotted hour.

 

[RangerDoggo]

Well it's 3:20 pm right now so....tick tock....still time until 9am for something to happen.

I'm not holding my breath, especially given Bratt and his agent have said jack and shit, respectively.