Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part II

[RSeen]

Meier is also not being a complete bitch about demanding a short-term deal. Any trade involving Bratt will inevitably involve us being hosed, but beggars can't be choosers.


Ah, I see. Maybe that works but I still think that's a term too much for Bratt.

How do we know the team is not low-balling him? Also if Bratt wants to go to free agency, that is his right. He doesn't owe the team anything specific. It'd be nice if he signs long-term but its not his mandate to do that.

 

[MasterofGrond]

if it’s less than 5 he won’t get 8. Two RFA years covered. I think the compromise is giving him a chance for a pre-30 shot at UFA but spending more to do so.

Just my gut.

 

[Better Call Sal]

I’ll be glad when this is resolved one way or another and we can move onto the remaining matters at hand before the season starts.

 

[TrufleShufle]

Meier is also not being a complete bitch about demanding a short-term deal. Any trade involving Bratt will inevitably involve us being hosed, but beggars can't be choosers.

Bottom line: we need a piece for the long term. If it's not Bratt, it's gonna have to be someone else.


Ah, I see. Maybe that works but I still think that's a term too much for Bratt.

As much as I want Meier, we have absolutely no idea if he in fact, is or is not "being a complete bitch." We actually don't know if Bratt is either.

There is a lot of emotion built on guesses here.

 

[Nubmer6]

And now for something completely different...

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

It's part of how this works. If Bratt would sign a long term deal at 6.5 I'm sure they would've signed it already. Once he declined what I'd hope was a realistic long term deal the team does this. It's normal.

$6.5 m for a player that's -26 for his career and no playoff points in five seasons?

Must be the new math.

 

[RangerDoggo]

As much as I want Meier, we have absolutely no idea if he in fact is or is not "being a complete bitch." We actually don't know if Bratt is either.

There is a lot of emotion built on guesses here.

Fitz has made his offer and has gotten jackshit in response. That's a pretty good indication that Bratt is indeed acting like one.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Arbitrators don't side with anyone in hockey. They tend to split things down the middle but I do think Bratt has a good case to get e.g. $5.5M

Yes, that's my point. Bratt has a better argument for 6.5M than he does 4.15M especially with the contracts signed this summer. All his agent has to do is point at a guy like Fiala and the Devils argument is destroyed. What would be the rebuttal? He played with Pavel Zacha? Like what do you even say if you're the Devils?

 

[Nubmer6]

Yes, that's my point. Bratt has a better argument for 6.5M than he does 4.15M especially with the contracts signed this summer. All his agent has to do is point at a guy like Fiala and the Devils argument is destroyed. What would be the rebuttal? He played with Pavel Zacha? Like what do you even say if you're the Devils?

The rebuttal would be that Fiala got a long term deal, and his cap hit is over the length of his contract, not his 2nd to last RFA year.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Fitz has made his offer and has gotten jackshit in response. That's a pretty good indication that Bratt is indeed acting like one.

Judging by how laughable the arbitration offer is then you could probably assume the long term numbers have an insane gap. People want him to sign 6.5Mx8 when Bratt literally just wants that for one year.

 

[TrufleShufle]

Fitz has made his offer and has gotten jackshit in response. That's a pretty good indication that Bratt is indeed acting like one.

What was Fitz's offer, I missed it. I know he said he did offer something, but I didn't see the numbers. It would help me pick a side if you let me know.

 

[RangerDoggo]

What was Fitz's offer, I missed it. I know he said he did offer something, but I didn't see the numbers. It would help me pick a side if you let me know.

I don't think anyone knows, and it would make him a horrible negotiator if he put his cards on the table. All he said is he made an offer and hasn't heard anything from Bratt's camp.

 

[devilsfan35]

When fitz says we want you here long term

 

[ninetyeight]

I gotta say it's pretty wild how we can never agree on anything on these boards. You'd think fans of the same franchise would want same things and think alike. Makes this sub pretty fun and entertaining to read

 

[TrufleShufle]

I don't think anyone knows, and it would make him a horrible negotiator if he put his cards on the table. All he said is he made an offer and hasn't heard anything from Bratt's camp.

Interesting.....

 

[Better Call Sal]

$6.5 m for a player that's -26 for his career and no playoff points in five seasons?

Must be the new math.

Using plus minus as an indicator of anything in the year of our lord 2022?

 

[Devs3cups]

Judging by how laughable the arbitration offer is then you could probably assume the long term numbers have an insane gap. People want him to sign 6.5Mx8 when Bratt literally just wants that for one year.

I mean the Subban example is a good one. MTL's arbitration offer was 5.5 mil. They ended up signing for 9 mil. That's 3.5 mil more than MTL's arbitration offer. Clearly the 5.5 mil wasn't even close to what they were ready to give him.

I'm 95% sure Fitz's offer is around 7.5 mil.

 

[RangerDoggo]

I gotta say it's pretty wild how we can never agree on anything on these boards. You'd think fans of the same franchise would want same things and think alike. Makes this sub pretty fun and entertaining to read

Everyone here wants Bratt long-term. The problem is that's not gonna happen. The argument we're having is what to do instead.

 

[NJ Devil]

CJ nails it on the head. f*** this team if they’re not willing to give him a comparable to Fiala, Norris, Thomas.

Im not sure how Jesper Bratt asking for 6.5 on a 1-year deal with no UFA years means he would accept 8m at 8years, which is six UFA years

Simple math would make it over 9m on an 8year deal. Which is why Jesper wants short-term, so he can make the 7m and hit UFA sooner. More money on both ends of the spectrum, if that works to his liking

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

yeah it's clear Bratt wants to take a swing at free agency while he still has a lot of career left. At this point I'll be happy with anything more than a 2 year deal.

 

[britdevil]

Guy is nuts.

There’s betting on yourself and then there’s career ending injuries.

Best of luck Jesper.

 

[devilsfan35]

An agent firing right now would blow up the forum

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

I mean the Subban example is a good one. MTL's arbitration offer was 5.5 mil. They ended up signing for 9 mil. That's 3.5 mil more than MTL's arbitration offer. Clearly the 5.5 mil wasn't even close to what they were ready to give him.

I'm 95% sure Fitz's offer is around 7.5 mil.

How did that work out for all three clubs for which he played?

 

[Devs3cups]

How did that work out for all three clubs for which he played?

What does that have to do with anything? We were discussing arbitration offers. They usually don't correlate whatsoever with what the team's long-term offer is. Was just using Subban's situation as a comparative.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Using plus minus as an indicator of anything in the year of our lord 2022?

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When the old New Jersey Nets first came into the NBA they had a point guard named Mike Newlin who averaged over 30 points per game.

And the Nets usually lost.

Paying Jesper Bratt at the equivalent of some of the other top forwards mentioned would be like paying Newlin a premium.

Let another team be foolish enough to do that.