Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason edition

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devilsblood

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If you just miss the playoffs but are in the running the entire year, does he come back? That's actually a really good question. I give up on trying to figure that out though.

If we make the playoffs then yeah I think he's coming back for 23-24, although I'm not sure if his leash will wind up becoming the length Hynes was after he made the playoffs in 2018 and was able to miss the next year, as we're (supposed to be) in a much later stage of our rebuild. But like I said, I'm giving up on trying to figure this out.

Hynes did get an extension somewhere in his time here didn't he? Was that in the playoff year, or the year after?


I'd be good with a 2 year extension for Ruff if we make it next year. Can always give him the boot after one year if we follow that up with a stinker.
 

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I’m just not a Nylander fan and each time a fan base wants to run a player out of town ( like Leaf fans and Nylander ) it makes me question why .
Because leaf’s fans are crazy, his whole contract ordeal years ago, they like to blame certain players, and he’s a skilled pretty boy swede.
 

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Come on man that’s stupid. You could make a video like that on every player.

He actually plays very hard, makes life hell for defensemen and is a great possession forward.
I know it's one play, but that is pretty blatant. I don't think many players in the league can be nailed for the same.

And does he really make life hell on d-men? Sounds like a stretch.
 

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I know it's one play, but that is pretty blatant. I don't think many players in the league can be nailed for the same.

And does he really make life hell on d-men? Sounds like a stretch.
He absolutely does. He’s hard on the forecheck, fast and skilled,
 

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If you just miss the playoffs but are in the running the entire year, does he come back? That's actually a really good question. I give up on trying to figure that out though.

If we make the playoffs then yeah I think he's coming back for 23-24, although I'm not sure if his leash will wind up becoming the length Hynes was after he made the playoffs in 2018 and was able to miss the next year, as we're (supposed to be) in a much later stage of our rebuild. But like I said, I'm giving up on trying to figure this out.
Fitz has is a smart guy, he has a rebuild plan and timeline. Look at the players he's signed and acquired. I don't think it's a coincidence that the contracts of these depth players and coach Ruffs line up. Most of these guys were hopefuls, Siegenthaller worked out, some are still to be seen and others not so much. He knew he had some time to work with. He was looking for "diamond in the rough" steals with team control, in order to contend within our competitive window without cap strapping ourselves. Ruff was his rebuilding/development coach of choice. The complications of short seasons and injuries aside, we are still rebuilding/developing and Fitz decided to stick to his plan. That said, it's tough to say if he envisioned Ruff as coach during his expected competitive window.
 

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Hynes did get an extension somewhere in his time here didn't he? Was that in the playoff year, or the year after?


I'd be good with a 2 year extension for Ruff if we make it next year. Can always give him the boot after one year if we follow that up with a stinker.
I think he was just officially extended once, but his first contract was 3 years with an option for year 4. We picked up the option sometime in the middle of 17-18 which was his third year. I clearly remember it being around the time of the Elias jersey retirement/trade deadline. The option year was 18-19 and sometime in the middle of the 18-19 season he was given an actual extension, although I can't remember if it was for 2 or 3 years. He was first just a few months into it.
 
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I'm pretty sure he was extended right before he was fired.
Yes. because people were freaking out he'd be here for multiple more years, despite the fact that pretty much every coach going into his last year gets extended unless management knows they're moving on from him at the end of the contract. Which is why I don't think Ruff will be around past this next season, if he even makes it through that.
 

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No but the article is right that we should be looking for a new coach who can take us to the next level instead of just standing pat with Ruff. Ruff was supposed to be a rebuild coach & now we got posters here wanting to give him an extension if we get close to the playoffs next year. It's madness. 0 reason Ruff is here beyond next year.
 

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No but the article is right that we should be looking for a new coach who can take us to the next level instead of just standing pat with Ruff. Ruff was supposed to be a rebuild coach & now we got posters here wanting to give him an extension if we get close to the playoffs next year. It's madness. 0 reason Ruff is here beyond next year.
I don't think anyone here really wants to give him an extension. It was just hypothetical talk if we do extend him if were made the playoffs or possibly finished just outside the playoffs.

I also have to wonder if Fitz gave Ruff another chance because the players (Hughes was one) gave him a vote of confidence in the exit meetings.
 
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No but the article is right that we should be looking for a new coach who can take us to the next level instead of just standing pat with Ruff. Ruff was supposed to be a rebuild coach & now we got posters here wanting to give him an extension if we get close to the playoffs next year. It's madness. 0 reason Ruff is here beyond next year.

The article talks about firing Fitzgerald and completely upending the management structure in place for somebody who has absolutely no front office experience. So sure, Ruff is out in this scenario, but so is everything the Devils are building. This is the definition of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
 

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No but the article is right that we should be looking for a new coach who can take us to the next level instead of just standing pat with Ruff. Ruff was supposed to be a rebuild coach & now we got posters here wanting to give him an extension if we get close to the playoffs next year. It's madness. 0 reason Ruff is here beyond next year.
Well, if he gets, let's say, 110 points next season, you can't not extend him, can you?
 

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So basically, Bratt will re-sign WHEN he re-signs.

Everything else is just rumors and innuendo.
Friedman pretty much said the same on his podcast today, he thinks the chance of an offer sheet is extremely unlikely, and that because of the last contract being difficult, Bratt's agent is already readying a PR war.

I have zero concerns about Bratt, especially as long as Ruff is our coach and we keep getting linked to 5'7 wingers.
 
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I’m just not a Nylander fan and each time a fan base wants to run a player out of town ( like Leaf fans and Nylander ) it makes me question why .
I recall his dad being involved in the last ugly negotiation. I am concerned if that dad might be having a bit of vicarious revenge on the system. That would play a role in how I approach any trade for him.
 

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Mrazek sucks and has been bad since about 2016. He's had more bad years than good years in his career at this point.

We shouldn't be taking him for the purpose of playing him because he's merely more of the same of the flotsam and jetsam we have in nets. I would say he's worse than Blackwood and I am absolutely as low as you can get on Blackwood, but I've also been banging the drum on just how much Petr Mrazek sucks for about 6 years now.

He's had one above average season since 15-16 (18-19). His 12 games of .923% in 20-21 don't count.

I'm pretty sure he's been a .905%-ish goalie over his last 200 games played. He's gotta be, considering his career save percentage is .909%, which is heavily inflated by his first 90-something games in the NHL of .920%-ish.

Oh god, it's actually .903% since the start of the 16-17 season. And the league average in some of those earlier years was still like .912% and not .907% like it was this year LOL.

Mrazek is probably the second to worst goalie in the NHL (that's STILL in the league) in that time to Korpisalo. He sucks so much. I'm not sure why Dubas gave him a 3 year deal. Because of TWELVE f***in games of .923% last year?
Mrázek is a cap dump with his injury history and poor performance last season.

With the poor UFA goalie market and general scarcity at the position the Leafs should be able to dump him, perhaps even without having to give up anything to make it happen.

But in any case, the team taking Mrázek shouldn’t be expected to be the one’s buying dinner before the unfortunate exchange takes place. They’re doing the Leafs a big favor.
 

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No but the article is right that we should be looking for a new coach who can take us to the next level instead of just standing pat with Ruff. Ruff was supposed to be a rebuild coach & now we got posters here wanting to give him an extension if we get close to the playoffs next year. It's madness. 0 reason Ruff is here beyond next year.
So if he is a rebuild coach, maybe it's more likely we keep him if we just miss, given the rebuild is not over?

But listen, if we actually get some decent goal tending next year, and the team looks good, does that not reinforce what we've all been saying the past 2 years? IE the goal tending has undermined the teams ability to win. Which would also mean goal tending undermined Ruff's positive impact as a coach.
 
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Mrázek is a cap dump with his injury history and poor performance last season.

With the poor UFA goalie market and general scarcity at the position the Leafs should be able to dump him, perhaps even without having to give up anything to make it happen.

But in any case, the team taking Mrázek shouldn’t be expected to be the one’s buying dinner before the unfortunate exchange takes place. They’re doing the Leafs a big favor.
Mrazek is yet another example of the league just recycling goalies. Korpisalo (I know it's just the same team that keeps bringing him back) and Brian Elliott are two other current examples that come to mind. Martin Jones actually getting a guaranteed contract last summer from an NHL team (let's see if he gets one yet again this summer) is another.

18-19 is his only average or better than average season since having a really good 15-16.

Yeah, he was a .923% in 20-21, but it was only 12 games. Blackwood had a .922% after 8 games this year and a .913% after 12 games.

Dubas was f***ing stupid to give him a 3 year deal. If it was Arizona I would understand. He let a MUCH BETTER goalie in Andersen walk (I know Mrazek is cheaper) and he knew Campbell had one year left. What was he gonna do this coming year when he handed that contract out? Have Mrazek be his starter? Well now it looks like he's gonna answer that really soon. They're another team I wouldn't be surprised to see offer Kuemper something stupid. If he had signed Mrazek to be a clear cut backup for a backup salary, I would understand this, but I really don't with giving him a 3 year deal that's worth more than $2 million a year.
 

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No but the article is right that we should be looking for a new coach who can take us to the next level instead of just standing pat with Ruff. Ruff was supposed to be a rebuild coach & now we got posters here wanting to give him an extension if we get close to the playoffs next year. It's madness. 0 reason Ruff is here beyond next year.

well if Cooper gets fired anytime soon, I wanna boot Ruff's ass and get Cooper here.

I also have to wonder if Fitz gave Ruff another chance because the players (Hughes was one) gave him a vote of confidence in the exit meetings.

He's legit a dumbass is this is the case. I really hope not.
 
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