Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II
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MasterofGrond
No, I'm not serious.
McLeod receives irrational love because his best skill is faceoffs and he's a 6'2 Canadian.
If he had one other skill better than his faceoffs he'd be a good NHL player, instead of a pretty replaceable one. And unfortunately Ruff is a dinosaur, and willingly puts out Mikey in OT for faceoffs for one extra faceoff win every 20 tries.
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Unless he’d take less to come here I can’t see it but a Bratt-Jack-Duchene line would be one of the best skating lines in the league
beekay414
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His scoring rate is exactly the same as McLeod's the last 2 seasons as a Devil.
McLeod: 157 games, 46 points (0.29/g) = 24 pts/82
Bastian: 103 games, 31 points (0.30/g) = 24 pts/82
2022-23 alone
McLeod: 80 games, 26 points (0.325) = 26.65 pts/82
Bastian: 43 games, 15 points (0.349) = 28.6 pts/82
Why is one a 3rd liner but the other isn't?
SteveCangialosi123
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The answer is neither is a 3rd liner. And this is not whataboutism, it’s directly related to the point at hand. They’re line mates lol.
Bastian has better D impacts and is more physical too. He’s like a poor man’s Hathaway.
Not the same defensive utility. But actually, I revise that. I do think Bastian is a top 288 forward in the NHL, which would classify as a 3rd liner. But on the lower-end.
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McLeod is a good 4th liner, I tend to take the middle road with him.
I wouldn't really want him for $2.2 or $2.5 million a year though.
That said, I'm not sure how much he wants or how much he realistically thinks we'll pay him, but I've just seen those numbers thrown out by people on this board (probably on the lower end, I haven't seen too many calls for $2.5) at times in regards to what his next deal will be.
I wouldn't really want him for $2.2 or $2.5 million a year though.
That said, I'm not sure how much he wants or how much he realistically thinks we'll pay him, but I've just seen those numbers thrown out by people on this board (probably on the lower end, I haven't seen too many calls for $2.5) at times in regards to what his next deal will be.
beekay414
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beekay414
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beekay414
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No it's not. It was in correlation to your point about points and his linemate. If one is a 3rd liner, by your definition, and the other is performing at the very same rates, then, by default, he's a 3rd liner as well.
Simple fact is, using scoring rates to determine what someone is just doesn't carry enough context. Eye test will tell you enough that McLeod, Bastian and Wood, the entire BMW line, are 4th liners by their individual abilities alone.
Andre Palot
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I am typically of the opinion that players who are bought out are usually bought out for a reason.
But, having said that, we should absolutely be kicking the tires on Matt Duchene on some sort of 1 year deal.
beekay414
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Then watch the game. Mikey's not a good 5v5 defender and, as was pointed out, it's a result of his offensive inability to carry the puck. He can't clear the zone consistently. Bastian's not totally a loss there or at least he's aware he's more of a dump and chase type.
Regardless, neither one of them, nor Miles Wood (no longer our problem), are 3rd liners.
SteveCangialosi123
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Last 4 seasons:
Curtis Lazar: 23 goals 21 assists 207 games (12:16 TOI)
McLeod: 19 goals 44 assists 221 games (12:53 TOI)
Should we pay one guy more than double what the other guy makes?
Curtis Lazar: 23 goals 21 assists 207 games (12:16 TOI)
McLeod: 19 goals 44 assists 221 games (12:53 TOI)
Should we pay one guy more than double what the other guy makes?
Eggtimer
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Same .Side note , Sprong seemed to score on us every single time we played against him … him and Bjorkstrand …
Yeah. I do watch the games. I can say the evidence is my "eye test".
Mikey has far better puck carrying ability. Because he's a better skater.
Normal Devil
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Fitz is a year ahead of it all. He traded for Marino because he knew Sevs would be gone. He dealt for Lazar because he know McLeod would be gone.
Oneiro
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Think the biggest issue with BMW was one and done OZ possessions and a tendency to get hemmed in with poor decision-making. Don't mind BM back but it's not a big deal either way. This is a team that can roll the other three lines for 50+ minutes if needed without losing a step.
Ultimately, I prefer bonafide NHL vets, 600+ GP in that role - Boyle, Bellemare, Cogliano, Maroon, etc. but it's hard to find them because everyone wants them. But we will attract some of them by winning.
Ultimately, I prefer bonafide NHL vets, 600+ GP in that role - Boyle, Bellemare, Cogliano, Maroon, etc. but it's hard to find them because everyone wants them. But we will attract some of them by winning.
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Eggtimer
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He is a good skater with great speed , and plays a safe responsible 200 ft game and doesn’t shy away from contact . I’d say those are good attributes for a 4th liner . Not so much fir a top 6 player but that’s not our plans for him
Is anyone ready for some New Jersey DEVILS hockey NOW? The team has been adjusted during the off-season by Fitz.
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Somebody is certainly going to give Blackwood a shot
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