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Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II

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Zajacs Bowl Cut said:
27/28 and 30, especially for a goalie, is a BIG difference. Whether you choose to believe that or not is up to you, but just know you're wrong.
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Sorokin will be 29 when he starts playing under his new contract. 31 for sarros when his new contract kicks in. So again what are we really talking about here? You’re the stat bro you should know this. Just so I know where you stand your ok giving big money to sorokin at 29 and sarros 31? But not buck at age 31?

Hisch13r said:
Sorokin will be 29 at the start of his deal. Hellebuyck will be 31. 2 years is not a hair splitting difference. That's a substantial difference.
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So let me get this straight long term big money at 29 is good. You realize sorokin will eventually turn 31 too he isn’t going to stop aging. Lol uh ok keep in mind that’s if he makes it to market since a trade is out of the question.
 
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devilsblood said:
The hole keeps getting deeper.
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Sorry, lost track of this having to do actual lawyer stuff that required some concentration this afternoon.

In any event, my middle son's buddy is a fledgling stand up comic. I once wrote a riff for him on bedwetting. I now opine on humor on TV and in movies to my kids telling them that I am a professional comedy writer. This may be the thing that pisses them off more than any other dad joke or dad moment I ever have with them. It's glorious.
 
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njdevils1982 said:
the book is still out on holtz and we got mercer at 18 and muk at 20 (who was a part in the trade for meier)...so not all is lost
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no, I know. but seeing that we could’ve drafted askarov and instead took a guy who doesn’t have a guaranteed spot in his D+4 season is… yikes.
 
JrFischer54 said:
Sorokin will be 29 when he starts playing under his new contract. 31 for sarros when his new contract kicks in. So again what are we really talking about here? You’re the stat bro you should know this. Just so I know where you stand your ok giving big money to sorokin at 29 and sarros 31? But not buck at age 31?



So let me get this straight long term big money at 29 is good. You realize sorokin will eventually turn 31 too he isn’t going to stop aging. Lol uh ok keep in mind that’s if he makes it to market since a trade is out of the question.
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I don't have any interest in giving any goalie a longterm contract. No matter who they are. Not in today's climate.

Saros just turned 28 and has 2 years left, so he'll be 30 on his next deal, not 31.
 
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ndkjr70 said:
no, I know. but seeing that we could’ve drafted askarov and instead took a guy who doesn’t have a guaranteed spot in his D+4 season is… yikes.
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We still don't know what Askarov will be once he gets to the NHL though. Goalies are the hardest position to predict. It's not like he's been great since coming over from the KHL, but he still has some time.
 
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Yeah no long term contracts for goalies in their 30s.

Fine renting Buck at the right price, and fine renting Saros or Sorokin at the right (higher) price (though they’re not actually available).
 
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Nico13 said:
Why is Luke RFA in 2025 and not 2026?
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Bcap88 said:
No slide for Luke

Likely negotiated such
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Bit of a goofy thing with the CBA, not really something that's negotiated per se. The 10 game slide rule only applies to teenagers. The CBA defines age as how old you are on September 15th of that calendar year.

Since Luke signed in April 2023, he was considered "20" by the CBA (even though he doesn't turn 20 until September 9) and thus was ineligible for the slide since his contract began for the remainder of the 2022-23 season. So the first year got burned immediately. One of the benefits of going back for your sophomore year a la Caufield, Boldy, Power, Beniers, etc. The only downside is that Luke wouldn't have accrued enough games to have offer sheet privileges when his ELC expires, but Quinn was in the same boat and got a nice pay day.

Just off the top of my head, Arizona signed Clayton Keller after his freshman year and he played in three NHL games to finish off that season. But since he was 19, the ELC slid and they got the three full years out of it.
 
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So I'd be curious to see if Fitz would change anything about signing Palat and trading for Vanacek last year. We have some reporting that his mindset was to try to compete for a wild card spot and maybe he didn't even expect to make the playoffs beyond that. Palat and Vanacek were both moves designed to help stabilize a young franchise where league average goaltending was a big improvement. Other moves had that same goal in mind like Tatar and Graves and even Siegs when they traded for him. Just a bunch of middle of the pack trying to get the team to be respectable moves. Granted you could tell he saw the future when he signed Hamilton to the big deal and to be fair he probably had to overpay a bit because NJ just wasn't good at the time. Now, the team doesn't really need Palat at that price to play on a third line. Vanacek is probably going to be a bit above average during the regular season again for Nj but the team has higher aspirations now. Vanacek is signed for a short deal and I doubt the team would hesitate to move him if they could upgrade the goaltending. I do think that Palat stays with NJ for at least two more years and we will fuss about his deal at the end of those two years but he can still make a difference in two or three playoff runs if he can stay healthy. Fingers crossed. Just amazing how things have changed in essentially one season. Albeit the folks saying NJ just needed league average goaltending were correct.
 
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There's no way he takes the Vanecek move back...they had no idea Schmid was as close as he was (especially after he was bad last year) but knew they couldn't count on Blackwood. And VV was signed like a guy who's on a borderline 1A/1B deal, not a guy they were committing to as a long-term starter.

Palat seems like we're just kicking a hackysack right now, hopefully he bounces back from his injury this year and has at least a couple of plus seasons to quell the buyout talk.
 
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MasterofGrond said:
remember how down everybody was on dougie after year 1? Im gonna let him get settled and get healthy before crucifying him.

contract isn’t good, but I’m not sure is brutal (yet)
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Dougie was worth the contract when he was signed and then was great to start year 1 before the injuries piled up. Palat wasn't worth the contract when it was signed. He got injured so early we didn't get a run with him before that but these aren't really the same situations.
 
Hisch13r said:
Dougie was worth the contract when he was signed and then was great to start year 1 before the injuries piled up. Palat wasn't worth the contract when it was signed. He got injured so early we didn't get a run with him before that but these aren't really the same situations.
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Sure it’s not, but I’m just counseling a little patience before making a final judgement after a major injury in his first season with us.
 
NJDevs26 said:
There's no way he takes the Vanecek move back...they had no idea Schmid was as close as he was (especially after he was bad last year) but knew they couldn't count on Blackwood. And VV was signed like a guy who's on a borderline 1A/1B deal, not a guy they were committing to as a long-term starter.

Palat seems like we're just kicking a hackysack right now, hopefully he bounces back from his injury this year and has at least a couple of plus seasons to quell the buyout talk.
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Maybe. I can see my point is being misunderstood which is typical for me. I just can't write the long erudite explanations that some can. I have to do that for court and it feels too much like work. In any event, my point was more about going for it like they did with Hamilton or Fitz at least admitting that they were stopgap moves and the team is past those for now. Obviously the team had a tremendous season and both Vitek and Palat contributed to it. I'm not trying to downplay their contributions. Just a thought exercise. I like Palat but if his contract was up this year I bet he'd take a bit less to play for NJ.
 
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