Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II

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Yeah, I remember when this all went down in January of 2013. Some people here were really worried about it, while others were saying “no way that happens! You’re interpreting him wrong!”.

I wasn’t completely freaking out over it, but I do think I was just slightly alarmed by it, if not more than slightly.
It sucked that he bailed but looking back at it was really a franchise altering decision in a good way.

If kovalchuk never leaves l, Lou is more than likely still here. New ownership probably doesn’t take on that large of a debt and your still looking at a softball sized recapture on kovalchuk contract
 
Kovy came in and left at the right time.

Can’t say the same for Lou but looking at pretty much every concurrent rebuild from 2015 on, wouldn’t have it any other way.
 
It’s sometimes been implied that this was more of a mutual agreement or Lou asking Kovalchuk to leave now (before the recapture was higher after that year) if he wants to leave. After he expressed desire to remain in Russia after the 2012-2013 lockout ended 6 months earlier. That story seemed to be forgotten after about a week, until 6 months later when all this went down. I forgot exactly what happened, but either someone in the Russian press leaked that Kovalchuk wanted to stay behind or maybe it was even Kovalchuk himself publicly saying he wanted to stay behind. And he even stayed for the KHL all star game and came to camp a few days late. I think one other player did that, might have been Datsyuk?

Anyway, there seems to be theories that Lou pretty much encouraged Kovalchuk to go through with this and potentially for the betterment of the financial state of the team, which was currently for sale and sold about a month later. It was a roughly $80 million commitment off the books before the sale.

While this theory seems plausible for sure, Lou didn’t exactly sound at all happy with him in the media availability on the day this happened. There’s been few times he sounded that pissed off during a presser.

I remember during a press conference for another unrelated matter, I forget if it was later that same offseaeon or the next offseason, he was asked about him again and they may have asked about the possibility of him coming back to the NHL again and playing for the Devils. Lou definitely didn’t sound pissed like he did on the day it happened, but seemed annoyed and sarcastically changed the subject to the guy asking the question by telling him how great his lunch was afternoon. :laugh:
Lou being anything but unhappy with this has implied on this board before but I don’t actually believe it because losing him made the team worse at the time.

Lou isn’t exactly a guy with a history of making future cap health considerations a priority in his moves at any point and he certainly wasn’t in 2013. I don’t see him giving a shit about a future recapture fee.

So the idea that he was happy to see Kovy go, days after losing Clarkson, is a real stretch for me.

He replaced Kovy and Clarkson with:
Clowe 5 years/4.85m
Jagr 1 year/4m (2m, 2m in bonuses)
Ryder 2 years/3.5m

I’m not seeing Lou being thrilled.
 
Lou traded for Schneider just a few days before Kovalchuk retired. He didn't care that Parise and Clarkson had just left and that Marty and Elias were on their last legs.

He didn't give a shit about team finances or the cap, he wanted to win another Cup. He was never going to rebuild and that's why Harris and Blitzer "asked" him to step down.
 
I remember huffing copium thinking the likes of Brunner, Ryder, and Cammalleri could somewhat replace what we lost by committee. The good ol days. I also forgot Havlat was on that team too lmao

There's a lot of revisionist history regarding Brunner. There were a bunch of fans who were enthusiastic when we originally got him and thought he was going to be a solid piece and his first season wasn't really too bad. He just fell off in year two.

Pretty much like Gusev.

The better example would be the likes of Bobby f***ing Butler being brought in to replace Parise. Even back then I had to Google what the f*** a Bobby Butler was.
 
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Lou being anything but unhappy with this has implied on this board before but I don’t actually believe it because losing him made the team worse at the time.

Lou isn’t exactly a guy with a history of making future cap health considerations a priority in his moves at any point and he certainly wasn’t in 2013. I don’t see him giving a shit about a future recapture fee.

So the idea that he was happy to see Kovy go, days after losing Clarkson, is a real stretch for me.

He replaced Kovy and Clarkson with:
Clowe 5 years/4.85m
Jagr 1 year/4m (2m, 2m in bonuses)
Ryder 2 years/3.5m

I’m not seeing Lou being thrilled.

Jagr was a better player for sure, though. Fit the team better and was just overall better than Kovalchuk was in 2013, and I don't think it was close.

I'm sure Lou wasn't thrilled with Kovalchuk leaving, but it did get rid of the square peg they kept trying to jam in there.
 
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I remember huffing copium thinking the likes of Brunner, Ryder, and Cammalleri could somewhat replace what we lost by committee. The good ol days. I also forgot Havlat was on that team too lmao
Remember when we he penciled in Bobby Butler to be the new 1st line scoring winger to replace Parise? Then he had 2 points in 14 games and we put him on waivers?

There were a lot of guys that were brought in during the late Lou years who had a stop in NJ and never played in the NHL again. Butler, Cammalleri, Olesz, Brunner, Loktionov, Ruutu, Ryder, Clowe. I'm sure I'm forgetting someone.
 
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didn't Brunner score like 2 goals in his first game in the season opener? I was so sure we found a diamond in the rough lmao

No, he got his only two points (in 14 GP) in the the 3rd period of the 4th game of the season.

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didn't Brunner score like 2 goals in his first game in the season opener? I was so sure we found a diamond in the rough lmao
He also was coming off of a fairly decent season with Detroit.

Barch was a whatever Janssen like tough guy signing. I wasn't annoyed that much but Butler actively annoyed me. Lets also not forget Tom Kostopoulos with his single goal in 15 games.
 
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oh thats Butler, I was talking about Damien Brunner

He had 8 shots on goal in game 1 and then scored 2 goals in game 2. Added a third goal in game 3. Had 8 more goals the whole season and only 95 more shots on goal.

The summer Parise left we only had 2 new UFA signings - all-time Devils legends Krys Barch and Bobby Bulter. Did we just have no cap space or something?

They had no money but plenty of cap space - everyone had cap space because the cap went up but all indications were that the cap was going to come down after the lockout. The owner was just out of money.
 
i think a lot of people behind the scenes knew that kovy was open to the idea of retiring and everyone was ok with it. it worked out well for everyone involved too
 
I remember huffing copium thinking the likes of Brunner, Ryder, and Cammalleri could somewhat replace what we lost by committee. The good ol days. I also forgot Havlat was on that team too lmao

its funny that people still called lou at the time of these pickups a great gm not just here but in general hockey world. has lou done anything good since he drafted zajac in the first round?
 
It was like the third game of that year, I remember the game against the oilers they went up 3-0 with goals by Jágr,Bruner and Ryder and I thought we were back. Just for the oilers to score 4 straight goals and win in the shootout lol
 
Yes, be ready for tough decisions like this to be made if LHughes, Nemec, and Mercer all take large next steps and want a payday. Unless the team can wiggle out of the Palat and Hamilton contracts.
If the cap doesn’t go up one dollar they will have 18 million in cap space with Nemec and Hughes under team control

No need to worry about it
 
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