Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023-24 season part III

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devilsblood

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Disagree that they were dominating. But in any case…

A legitimate playoff team, a team with leadership and coaching, having had the better of play for 40 minutes and still finding themselves down, would have come out and played with the urgency and desperation that the situation called for.

This team has zero leadership. Nothing to draw on for the stretch run.
Corsi was 54-32 through 2 periods. Shots were 27-15. Scoring chances 26-16. HD chances were 14-4.

It was pretty dominant.


3rd period stats, were flipped, but even more dominant in Wash's favor.

24-17 corsi. 12-11 shots. 16-4 scoring chances. 8-1 High danger.

Difference being Washington actually scored goals.
 

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I think people are going to be sorely disappointed this offseason when Ruff gets a pass for all the things that went wrong for us collectively this season.

I think he'll stay, but he'll be on thin ice.
I think it depends how the rest of the season goes, to be honest.

I think he got the pass, but almost everybody's healthy, other than Dougie, who won't play again this year. A game like last night happening a month or 3 weeks ago before Jack got back? Or back in November back when Jack and Nico were both out? He's probably getting passes for those.

Other than Marino out sick, last night was probably the most healthy we'll be the rest of the year.

Unless you really wanna count Vitek, who has done far more harm than good this year. Him being out probably helps Ruff look better.
 
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So either they’re anticipating a move for a goalie, or Ruff is just going to ride Daws into the ground. I’m guessing the latter.

Either they are acquiring someone or Vitek is back. But they have to have a backup for tomorrow

Edit: Didn't realize Poulter is up.

He's been better then Schmid this year so it makes sense. Heads probably in a better place too.
 
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So either they’re anticipating a move for a goalie, or Ruff is just going to ride Daws into the ground. I’m guessing the latter.

I said it last night, but I wouldn't be surprised if he plays out the weekend.

Maybe Poulter gets a start against the Habs? I think the chances are lower that he gets a start on Saturday if we lose tomorrow.

And you know if Vitek gets healthy (hopefully we never see that coward fool play another game here) it'll be him they start riding into the ground. And I think he's only gonna make everyone look worse.

I'm not sure if Poulter was just brought up here to be a backup to dress and so Schmid can get some AHL games in or if they have any plans to give him one game. I'm undecided.
 
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I interrupt the doom and gloom to present Konecny making an absolute fool of himself: the Flyers gave up a breakaway goal 30 seconds into the game, Smith actually scored a goal himself, Konecny is probably Philly’s best or second best player and he’s wasting his time with Brendan Freakin’ Smith - NJ’s worst player, and Philly lost. Lol
 

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i don’t think ruff will be here if they miss the playoffs and i’m not entirely sure it would be fitz’s call at the end of the day.

they spent a lot of money in the offseason, i dont think the owners are going to be happy missing the millions of dollars in playoff revenue they will be lost
 

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Well Daws is def starting tomorrow. Utica only has a game on Friday and theyre saying they’ll make a decision on Schmid from there. So if Schmid plays well that game then maybe Daws again on Saturday and Schmid on Sunday? If Schmid struggles then Poulter Saturday and Daws Sunday?

Or maybe they’ll ride Daws out until VV is back from injury and then let him get rest then
 

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I interrupt the doom and gloom to present Konecny making an absolute fool of himself: the Flyers gave up a breakaway goal 30 seconds into the game, Smith actually scored a goal himself, Konecny is probably Philly’s best or second best player and he’s wasting his time with Brendan Freakin’ Smith - NJ’s worst player, and Philly lost. Lol


That's quality stuff.
 

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I said it last night, but I wouldn't be surprised if he plays out the weekend.

Maybe Poulter gets a start against the Habs? I think the chances are lower that he gets a start on Saturday if we lose tomorrow.

And you know if Vitek gets healthy (hopefully we never see that coward fool play another game here) it'll be him they start riding into the ground. And I think he's only gonna make everyone look worse.

I'm not sure if Poulter was just brought up here to be a backup to dress and so Schmid can get some AHL games in or if they have any plans to give him one game. I'm undecided.
I'm thinking Poulter get's a start.

Which if it happens, really says something about where they see Schmid right now.
 

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If the down year is the way he's trending you are saddled because he will want to be signed LT ....Ftom what the experts say most teams have walked away at the overpayment they are demanding....Markstrom makes better sense if organization feels Daws Malek can eventually take over you just have to not give in to overpayment....Can't deal picks assets like they are candy when team is this young....
I get that, but Saros is 5 years younger than Markstrom and 2 years younger than Hellebuyck who we were in on last summer. I'd trust we would get 3-5 good years out of Saros and he'd start to decline around the age of current Markstrom.

Markstrom has been a total hit or a miss for the past 4 years. I somehow doubt its gonna get better in his 35-36 yo seasons.

I dont see a better option than Saros. If we get Ullmark and he does good we'll need to pay then 32 yo Ullmark for another multi year big money deal.

Either way we need to make a move this off season. Who knows what Daws or Akira will be, theyve both had their highs and lows and goalie development is weird. I would not go into the season with either of them as the starter no matter what happens rest of the season.
 

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i don’t think ruff will be here if they miss the playoffs and i’m not entirely sure it would be fitz’s call at the end of the day.

they spent a lot of money in the offseason, i dont think the owners are going to be happy missing the millions of dollars in playoff revenue they will be lost

Ruff will not be here if they miss the playoffs. Even despite all the injuries this is not a team that should be missing the playoffs. The team has been near full health since after the all-star break and did not have much ground to make up at that time or even now. He will be gone if they miss.
You could both very well be right. I simply would not be surprised to see him still here heading into next season with a very short leash. Obviously, if the team flames out the rest of the way, that's another story. But if they narrowly miss out and play fairly competitive the rest of the way? I could see them say that he'll be here next season due to all the things that occurred.

Poor goaltending, young defense learning on the fly, star players injured left and right throughout the season? Perfect built-in excuses to give him one last shot.
 

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I interrupt the doom and gloom to present Konecny making an absolute fool of himself: the Flyers gave up a breakaway goal 30 seconds into the game, Smith actually scored a goal himself, Konecny is probably Philly’s best or second best player and he’s wasting his time with Brendan Freakin’ Smith - NJ’s worst player, and Philly lost. Lol

I would feel much better about this instagram post if this was posted here after the Stadium series and not after the sh*tshow against the Caps. :(

Still funny, though. ngl.

Konecny is an absolute clown for sure.
 

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I think Fitzgerald is smart enough to understand what happened to Shero/Hynes. If Shero had the balls to dump Hynes after 2019, he may have gotten another year or two. He certainly made plenty of other mistakes and would have gotten fired eventually, but Shero was too stubborn and didn't fire Hynes until it was far too late. He tied an anchor around his own neck and ended up paying the price.

I think it's also pretty clear they're not enamored with Ruff, despite what many posters on here want to believe. If they liked him as much as you think they like him, they wouldn't have taken until October to re-sign him after his contract expired. They wouldn't have put an out-clause into both his original deal and his new extension. Lindy was never going to be the long term answer and we all knew that the second he was hired, he was brought in to teach the kids and establish culture. We are beyond that now.

Fitz has often talked about how he doesn't like making in-season roster moves because of his experience as a player - when he himself got traded, it took him a while to get any traction with his new team. I think he feels the same way about coaching, which is a MUCH bigger disruption because the whole team deals with it, not just one guy. So I doubt we see an in-season coaching change unless he gets a mandate from ownership (and it sounds like they're pretty hands-off at the moment, but that might change with some more embarrassing home losses).

If they miss the playoffs, Lindy is toast. I genuinely believe they were days away from firing him in October 2022, that 15 game winning streak saved his job. They ran it back with basically the same roster and nearly every player has regressed. Ultimately the head coach is responsible for the teams performance.
 
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Tomorrow is going to be bad. You either get an overworked Daws, the purest of pure rookies, or one of the worst goalies in the league that's banged up on top of it

I disagree, this team actually shows up in big games. It's games against shit teams that they don't show up in. The more likely scenario is pumping the Rags and losing to the Habs
 

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The loss of Marino f***s up the D pairings and Ruff's goalie usage these past few games has already severely handicapped them for tomorrow.
 

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I think Fitzgerald is smart enough to understand what happened to Shero/Hynes. If Shero had the balls to dump Hynes after 2019, he may have gotten another year or two. He certainly made plenty of other mistakes and would have gotten fired eventually, but Shero was too stubborn and didn't fire Hynes until it was far too late. He tied an anchor around his own neck and ended up paying the price.

I think it's also pretty clear they're not enamored with Ruff, despite what many posters on here want to believe. If they liked him as much as you think they like him, they wouldn't have taken until October to re-sign him after his contract expired. They wouldn't have put an out-clause into both his original deal and his new extension. Lindy was never going to be the long term answer and we all knew that the second he was hired, he was brought in to teach the kids and establish culture. We are beyond that now.

Fitz has often talked about how he doesn't like making in-season roster moves because of his experience as a player - when he himself got traded, it took him a while to get any traction with his new team. I think he feels the same way about coaching, which is a MUCH bigger disruption because the whole team deals with it, not just one guy. So I doubt we see an in-season coaching change unless he gets a mandate from ownership (and it sounds like they're pretty hands-off at the moment, but that might change with some more embarrassing home losses).

If they miss the playoffs, Lindy is toast. I genuinely believe they were days away from firing him in October 2022, that 15 game winning streak saved his job. They ran it back with basically the same roster and nearly every player has regressed. Ultimately the head coach is responsible for the teams performance.

Would be insane if the Devils made the playoffs out of this absurdity still and saved his job a third time which would be the Jack press conference after the 21-22 season which he should've been fired, October 2022 like you said and currently if they wind up missing.

The loss of Marino f***s up the D pairings and Ruff's goalie usage these past few games has already severely handicapped them for tomorrow.

A game where we need Jack to go superstar mode on his own, the Rags aren't built to deal with this team's speed still but they're better coached + actually get goaltending in the majority of their games
 
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When you say Bahl will replace Graves, that is what I assume will happen - that he will play a 2nd pairing role and kill penalties. That is not what he has done. What has happened is that Luke Hughes has replaced his ES minutes and Bahl has replaced his PK minutes.

Now My3Sons makes a good point that Bahl has been given shutdown-ish minutes even with the somewhat limited ice he has been given, but that should subside with Siegenthaler coming back into the lineup.
You really are a knucklehead...first Fitz said "Bahl will be replacing Graves defensive minutes "...said it numerous times.

Luke did not in the least bit replace Graves deployment. Not 4v5 or 5 v5 or any other scenario...he replaced Seversons deployment moreorless.

We went into this season needing replace Severson and Graves....we did it with Luke,Bahl and Smith. It is not more complicated than that

And that replacement plan is piss poor.
 
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You really are a knucklehead...first Fitz said "Bahl will be replacing Graves defensive minutes "...said it numerous times.

Luke did not in the least bit replace Graves deployment. Not 4v5 or 5 v5 or any other scenario...he replaced Seversons deployment moreorless.

We went into this season needing replace Severson and Graves....we did it with Luke,Bahl and Smith. It is not more complicated than that

And that replacement plan is piss poor.

Don't want to jump in randomly but I also think bringing in Miller was to lessen the blow of not having Sevo on the right side and not allow Smith to play as much as he has but whatever he had in the preseason injury + getting up to speed clearly derailed those plans and made Smith play way more than he has
 
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