Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023-24 season part III

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Zippy316

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The Athletic's take on what a deal for Markstrom might look like...

New Jersey Devils

The perfect fit: Jacob Markström

The trade: Markström (25 percent retained) for Alexander Holtz, 2025 second-round pick

There’s no secret when it comes to the Devils’ biggest need. They’re a deep, highly skilled team that came into the season as a potential Stanley Cup contender. Their campaign hasn’t gone nearly as planned, though, and while some of that can be traced to missed time by their stars, the most fixable issue is in goal, where New Jersey’s team save percentage was just .894 entering the weekend.

The Devils aren’t a slam-dunk playoff team at this point, so on one hand, making an aggressive buy this season might look a bit out of place compared to some of the other teams on this list. But they’re still firmly in the mix, and after getting Jack Hughes back up front, the right addition in goal could still spark a real run.

Markström stands out as that fit for multiple reasons. The most important is that he’s rock solid, putting together yet another strong season in Calgary. He’s a goalie who’s shown he can thrive on a high-octane team that likes to trade chances, and New Jersey associate coach Travis Green will be able to attest to that. Markström had two top-10 Vezina finishes playing for Green in Vancouver in 2018-19 and 2019-20 and played for him at AHL Utica as well.

Crucially, too, Markström is signed for two more years beyond this season, which is key given the Devils’ bubble status for this postseason. The idea would of course be that Markström pays immediate dividends for the Devils, but New Jersey wouldn’t be putting all their chips on just 2024. Those extra two years are especially important considering Nico Hischier’s contract — which carries a bargain $7.25 million cap hit — runs through 2027. Having Markström through 2026 helps to solidify the crease during the window in which the Devils have both of their star No. 1 picks (Hischier and Hughes) locked up at a combined $15.25 million. And with an uninspiring 2024 free-agent class, the Devils would be rolling the dice by waiting for the summer to try and fill that hole another way.

LeBrun wrote recently that the two teams had disagreed over salary retention and its associated costs for a potential Markström deal, but for a Devils team that has some big tickets already on the books, plus other young players they’ll need to pay in the coming years, it’s an obstacle worth navigating — even if it means paying a significant price.

And make no mistake, this price, which features Holtz and a second-rounder would be significant. But with the right amount of retention (we settled on 25 percent, taking Markström’s cap hit down to $4.5 million) that price is worth paying.

There aren’t many natural comparable trades for top-level goalies with term moving at the deadline, but a useful frame of reference is the Colorado Avalanche trading a first-round pick and defense prospect Conor Timmins to the Arizona Coyotes for Darcy Kuemper at $1 million retained in the summer of 2021 (Arizona also received a conditional third-round pick since Colorado won the Stanley Cup). Holtz has emerged as a middle-six scorer, and was a top-10 pick in 2020 — he’d be akin to a first-rounder in this proposal. He can also help an NHL lineup right away, which should be a bonus to the retooling Flames. The second-round pick would be roughly equivalent to Timmins’ value at the time as a prospect. Markström has more term left than Kuemper did which would be attractive for the Devils, but given that he’s 34, it also comes with downside risk. That’s why we didn’t add to the proposal beyond what we already have.

It’s a lot of moving parts, to be sure. But the ingredients are there for New Jersey to pull off a deadline blockbuster for the second straight year.
I’m more in favor of getting a stop gap goalie for the year (Stolarz, Kahkonen) and just riding the year out with them an VV. Not really a huge fan of giving up Holtz for Markstrom.

That being said, I wouldn’t hate a deal like this though. That’s good value for the Devils and I would assume if the Athletic is publishing this, they have some good knowledge on what the actual offer is. Must be pretty close, maybe Holtz for Markstrom with a throw-in like Kallgren for roster reasons.

Devils really should aim to get a second goalie soon though, just to preserve Daws & Schmid’s waiver eligibility for next year. If VV is out for a bit, you’re going to eat into their games even more.
 
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did we discuss that reddit AMA from yesterday? interesting stuff

I blocked the Devils subreddit from my “recommended,” because for as reactionary and doom and gloom as it can get around here, that subreddit is 10x worse. Also, posters around here seem to be much more knowledgeable about hockey/the NHL in general, Reddit seems to be more “Devils fan-only,” which can be tiresome if you’re trying to have an objective and informed conversation.

So what was the AMA?
 

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Oh damn I don’t see it in the subreddit anymore.

This is my recollection:
  • Timo is playing through injury still
  • Everyone on the team views Luke as their younger brother and loves him
  • Apparently the arena is not owned by the Devils but the city of Newark, and the byproduct of that is that the vendors within have to hire a certain % of people from Newark to work at the Pru
I'll edit this if I remember anything else, but I was reading the thread at 3:40am after I just put my daughter back to sleep lol.
 
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Oh damn I don’t see it in the subreddit anymore.

This is my recollection:
  • Timo is playing through injury still
  • Everyone on the team views Luke as their younger brother and loves him
  • Apparently the arena is not owned by the Devils but the city of Newark, and the byproduct of that is that the vendors within have to hire a certain % of people from Newark to work at the Pru
I'll edit this if I remember anything else, but I was reading the thread at 3:40am after I just put my daughter back to sleep lol.

Who was the AMA with though?
 

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Who was the AMA with though?
They said they were someone who worked with the team and has day to day interaction with everyone if we are talking about the same things.

I also recall them saying that he was happy Severson, Blackwood and Vesey left the team apparently. Also said Nico was a joy to interact with, shocker
 

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Who was the AMA with though?
Someone who worked in hockey ops

They said they were someone who worked with the team and has day to day interaction with everyone if we are talking about the same things.

I also recall them saying that he was happy Severson, Blackwood and Vesey left the team apparently. Also said Nico was a joy to interact with, shocker
Oh that’s right, they said vesey was always all alone and Blackwood was a dick
 

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Who was the AMA with though?
Didn't you read my post, it's the American Medical Association. Speaking of the AMA, where are my memory pills, high blood pressure pills, heart medication, digestive biscuits, fiber supplements, and nerve tonic? Get me my walker while you are looking for all that.
 
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Pretty sure they posted here identifying themselves as such and then cross posted screenshots to twitter about a year ago. Not a regular poster. You have to remember that specialty forums like this were already going out of style for anyone much younger than 30 in their formative years, so it's not typical for them to engage here over somewhere like twitter or maybe reddit.

Also didn't like coming here because half the folks here kept shitting on him
 

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Hmm, that’s really interesting to hear about Severson. He never gave off any bad vibes, and no indication that his teammates had any problems with him either.

I’ll just chalk that up to two different types of personalities that just probably didn’t gel.

To be fair, I don't believe this person. At all.

I assume the mods would have had some type of vetting process?

But yeah, kind of odd they were allowed to do that incognito
 

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Also didn't like coming here because half the folks here kept shitting on him
If we are talking about BrattPack my recollection is that he only chimed in because someone threatened him with physical violence in a rhetorical manner. He really didn't seem to have any interest in real participation beyond that.
 

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You think it’s unreasonable to think that a bunch of Rags fans reported the tweet to troll back? It’s not that deep.

I just think it’s silly you constantly go on tirades against him and his “attention seeking,” but you’re just constantly the one bringing him up and giving more attention.
Bratt pack sucks. Skip!

The End.

(not getting into it with you, cash. More important things to do with my time)
 

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I can verify a solid amount of the information that was posted, so it was definitely largely legit. Also the fact that it was taken down should tell you something.
It's still up there and nothing was particularly hard to figure out or identify. I didn't read anything that was like holy crap.
 

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I remember them saying they were happy Severson left too, which was surprising

I'm surprised by that also. Severson comes off as a nice guy, but I guess you never can tell from a player's public image.

Vesey I can see it, though maybe I'm biased because he went to the Rangers.

Blackwood doesn't surprise me at all.
 

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I'm surprised by that also. Severson comes off as a nice guy, but I guess you never can tell from a player's public image.

Vesey I can see it, though maybe I'm biased because he went to the Rangers.

Blackwood doesn't surprise me at all.
I think Blackwood left because he was afraid @Bleedred would use his X-Men Cyclops eye-beam to burn a literal hole in him, the next time he saw him. :sarcasm:
 
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