Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2022-23 season thread part III

[theoptimist]

Severson will be gone after this season and then we can all stop bitching about him and start bitching about somebody else instead.

I want first dibs

 

[Blackjack]

You’re comparing puck management at the blue line at key moments with taking penalties?

A coach can’t make any point without a whataboutism dealing with a completely unrelated thing being thrown at him? Penalties happen and Severson actually takes a lot more than Graves.

That was Graves 4th minor of the year and Severson has 7. If you add up both seasons it’s 34 vs 16 and the Minors/60 is Severson 0.82 and Graves 0.45.

I would be the last to complain if Ruff wants to get pissy about Smith’s 13 minors or whatever but he isn’t required to do that first in order to have the moral standing needed to criticize another player.

Sure, it seems like Damon agrees with you so don’t know why I should make any argument for him. Honestly hope he’s gone soon and I can stop hearing about him.

 

[Xirik]

Once Ovechkin and Stamkos are gone, you won't see this anymore - obviously four forwards on the PP is here to stay, but the idea that you put your best shooter where those guys tend to set up, I think that is going away. The Devils power play is not going to be built around feeding pucks exclusively to Holtz.

The capitals system is more then that or was. They Fed Ovie pucks a lot which made the opposition cheat and stick closer to him. This left a capital player wide open for a pass which would lead to a goal.

Just need a couple games of Holtz blasting them on the powerplay for teams to view him as a threat.

 

[glenwo2]

So this is just what Damon SHOULD HAVE said according to Novo.

 

[Blackjack]

So this is just what Damon SHOULD HAVE said according to Novo.

I think those are real comments but they’re from today rather than yesterday.

 

[Bleedred]

I said it last night, but Severson is another guy like Zacha where its just time to move on. Same goes for Blackwood.

The one thing they all have in common (other than all being the final remnants Lou Conte) is that they’ll all cost more than they’re worth.

Severson may be worth it the first couple years of his contract, but probably not much more after that.

It’s kind of like when we had to move on from guys like Rafalski, Gionta, Madden, Etc. some of them were still good, while others (Madden) were already washed.

 

[Oneiro]

More annoyed by the PP than anything else. Even without a so called sniper, they should be a lot better.

 

[guitarguyvic]

I'd love Henrique back on the team. I think he'd be an excellent complimentary piece that can fill some of our needs and it would be awesome from a nostalgia/fan favorite standpoint.

Is there any credible reason to believe Fitz is actually interested in him, or is this just people throwing it out there as a plausible option?

 

[Bleedred]

I'd love Henrique back on the team. I think he'd be an excellent complimentary piece and it would be awesome from a nostalgia/fan favorite standpoint.

Is there any credible reason to believe Fitz is actually interested in him, or is this just people throwing it out there as a plausible option?

Just something a few of us on here have thrown around, as well as that CJ dude that blogs.

 

[Final Boss]

If moving Severson off the team from the third pair somehow effected the team negatively , then they were never that good to begin with

He will be traded and its exactly why Marino was acquired and started above him from game 1. And Luke will be on the team by March

The writing has been on the wall and Fitzgerald isnt as sentimentally dumb as fans; he will get max value for his team at any turn, whether thats not signing locker room favorite PK cheap or trading Jacks best friend Ty or long time favorite Severson or maybe even Nico's best bud Bratt if he doesnt smarten up and sign longterm

 

[Bleedred]

If moving Severson off the team from the third pair somehow effected the team negatively , then they were never that good to begin with

He will be traded and its exactly why Marino was acquired and started above him from game 1. And Luke will be on the team by March

The writing has been on the wall and Fitzgerald isnt as sentimentally dumb as fans; he will get max value for his team at any turn, whether thats Jacks best friend Ty or locker room favorite Severson or maybe even Nico's best bud Bratt if he doesnt smarten up and sign longterm

What is with these weirdo posts today with people coming right out and acting like he's gonna be traded?

Why would we trade him, unless we crater out of a playoff spot?

Is it really a big deal to just keep the player, rather than trade him for a 2nd round pick and some kind of Connor Carrick type of player?

 

[Final Boss]

What is with these weirdo posts today with people coming right out and acting like he's gonna be traded?

Why would we trade him, unless we crater out of a playoff spot?

Is it really a big deal to just keep the player, rather than trade him for a 2nd round pick and some kind of Connor Carrick type of player?

Damon gets a 1st+ So lets stop playing ignorant after last years defensive market

And he wont be missed, Luke/Bahl replace him. And no Fitzgerald doesnt care about a deep run hence he wont add anyone at the deadline. Hes not as reactionary as fans, he knows this team wont do dick in the playoffs this year, and he isnt gonna spend assets to remind himself his entire core is under 25 and signed to eternity.

Hes GMing for a future Cup not the 2022 season. No GM loses a top-4 dman for free if they arent a contender and we arent

 

[Bleedred]

Damon gets a 1st+ So lets stop playing ignorant after last years defensive market

And he wont be missed, Luke/Bahl replace him. And no Fitzgerald doesnt care about a deep run hence he wont add anyone at the deadline. Hes not as reactionary as fans, he knows this team wont do dick in the playoffs this year, and he isnt gonna spend assets to remind himself his entire core is under 25 and signed to eternity.

Hes GMing for a future Cup not the 2022 season

Do you work for him or something? You’re speaking like you’re so close to the situation.

You’re also overrating Hughes and Bahl or maybe it’s more underrating Severson. Bahl is not better than Severson in 2022. Hughes is also not better than Severson, nor is he even a pro hockey player yet.

However, I do think Hughes could be better than Severson is now in two years.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I always love people who clamor that "Severson sucks!" but then will turn around and say he will fetch a 1+ at the deadline

make it make sense.

 

[Final Boss]

Do you work for him or something? You’re speaking like you’re so close to the situation.

You’re also overrating Hughes and Bahl or maybe it’s more underrating Severson. Bahl is not better than Severson in 2022. Hughes is also not better than Severson, nor is he even a pro hockey player yet.

However, I do think Hughes could be better than Severson is now in two years.

Luke Hughes is with 100% certainty playing on this team come the end of his NCAA season. Makar did, Byram did, Quinn did, Miller did, I could continue but itd be tiresome

Youre automatically adding a LD. And Bahl has shown he can hang and do well. So there you have it, Luke-Bahl/Bahl-Luke with Smith taking turns is what youll use for the bottom pair come playoff time.

And then the year after will include Nemec as well and Graves on the way out. Except Graves is actually needed today unlike Severson so he stays

Fitzgerald isnt gonna let Damon walk for free because 'the locker room' or 'deep playoff run', thats rubbish. He has two top-4 pick defenseman available at his disposal come March along with Bahl and a plethora of other AHL dmen or veteran dmen pickups at the deadline

You can basically bookmark it. Damon Severson wont be a Devil come March and idk why some find that so hard to believe. And you wanna know the most damning part of evidence? The fact that hes playing FIVE minutes less ATOI this year than the last three, and now his time is rising 'coincidentally' as we near the deadline and after they determined Marino was legit here.

Not often you have 5+ indicators for a move and people still try to play it off like its nothing (not you)

I always love people who clamor that "Severson sucks!" but then will turn around and say he will fetch a 1+ at the deadline

make it make sense.

Whoever says he sucks is an idiot so idk why youd care what they have to say

but yes, Severson at half retained easily gets a 1st+. Again, anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot

 

[Blackjack]

I always love people who clamor that "Severson sucks!" but then will turn around and say he will fetch a 1+ at the deadline

make it make sense.

They notice that rugged and physical defensemen with lots of playoff experience get 1st round picks so they assume Damon will since that’s what he is.

 

[Devils090]

Severson doesnt “suck” he’s just prone to the odd mistake, usually a brutal one. That said he’s a RD that would be 2nd pairing on the majority of the teams in the league so yeah he’s got some good value.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Severson = Mike Smith of defensemen, I've said it countless times. 80-85% of the time they're fine but when they f*** up it's really bad.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I would much rather have a player that will help the team win games than some late 1st round pick. We’re beyond that. We’d be an injury or two away from a horrible defensive group if we moved him for futures. Depth is good.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

The capitals system is more then that or was. They Fed Ovie pucks a lot which made the opposition cheat and stick closer to him. This left a capital player wide open for a pass which would lead to a goal.

Just need a couple games of Holtz blasting them on the powerplay for teams to view him as a threat.

I’m sorry but Ovie and Holtz should never be in the same conversation.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

Maybe Sevs just really doesn't give a s--t anymore and just wants to get paid, then get out of the sport.

He does look like he lost some passion since being demoted to the third pairing.

 

[Louskoolaid89]

What is with these weirdo posts today with people coming right out and acting like he's gonna be traded?

Why would we trade him, unless we crater out of a playoff spot?

Is it really a big deal to just keep the player, rather than trade him for a 2nd round pick and some kind of Connor Carrick type of player?

Sometimes it's just addition by subtraction and open cap space that can be reallocated I'd rather hold onto a defenseman for the playoffs than giving up draft picks to get another one. Especially in the hard cap era. Cap space is a commodity and letting someone walk in free agency isn't as detrimental because you get more space. Before that yeah get something at the deadline or lose them for no return.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Yeah, I'm not trading Severson unless we crater out of the playoffs or we get offered something absurd by a team who thinks they can extend him and want him for a playoff run. At that point, you'd have to go out and get a rental RHD to replace him mid season. It'd be too much like a video game to pull the latter off but hey crazier things have happened.

 

[Final Boss]

"Hey Fitzgerald, could you please lose two top-4 defenseman this offseason for nothing just to appease our fanbase with a single round win? You know how much more important the winning culture is than two firsts of value for a longterm contenders?"

Yeah, if only there werent countless examples of contenders falling off due to a lack of draft capital and prospects on ELCs. If only the value we brought back from Severson could be used elsewhere, not sure if thats possible.

But no yall are right, lets tell Luke to have a seat in the press box when every top-10 pick before him got games before the seasons end. And Bahl deserves no playing time for being good, he isnt a vet after all.

we need a top-4 dman on our bottom pair or itll all fall apart!! Thank f*** none of you are GM.

 

[NJDevs26]

What is with these weirdo posts today with people coming right out and acting like he's gonna be traded?

Why would we trade him, unless we crater out of a playoff spot?

Is it really a big deal to just keep the player, rather than trade him for a 2nd round pick and some kind of Connor Carrick type of player?

He's not getting traded 'unless' he becomes a problem in the locker room due to becoming essentially a rent-a-player at this point that management clearly has no plans on retaining for a long-term deal.