Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2022-23 season thread part III

[Guttersniped]

I think it's time for a trade. We need to ship off Severson. Tbh he's been absolute trash in that 3rd pairing role & I think we would be better off trading him for a top 6 forward. Put in Smith-Bahl as our 3rd pairing & call it a day. I don't think we would be worse off at all. We would be a much better team with a legitimate scoring threat rather than Severson, especially since we got Bahl whose no slouch to replace him temporarily.

See a lot trades happening around the league? There likely won’t be a major deal done anytime soon by any team.

I’ll be surprised if anything major happens before Feb.

 

[StevensRocks]

Boquist and Rango do not bring enough elsewhere, to offset their black-hole board play. Forechecking cream-puffs who lose every "battle", often ending up on the ice.

They are not pieces on a contender...

I'm also not liking what I'm seeing out of Holtz in this regard.

 

[Devs3cups]

Boquist and Rango do not bring enough elsewhere, to offset their black-hole board play. Forechecking cream-puffs who lose every "battle", often ending up on the ice.

They are not pieces on a contender...

I'm also not liking what I'm seeing out of Holtz in this regard.

Rango was very good last night on the forecheck and along the boards, he had a few takeaways down low. He usually is effective along the wall, he’s an underrated board player and forechecker.

Had one of his best games in a while when back up in the top-6. That’s where he should be going forward.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Sharangovich was a beast forechecking yesterday........

 

[Devs3cups]

Sharangovich was a beast forechecking yesterday........

He usually is pretty effective on the forecheck. One of his underrated strengths.

 

[bigd]

No, he wouldn't. The Devils need a defenseman much more than they need a first round pick.

They want him gone. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a healthy scratch next game.

 

[Triumph]

They want him gone. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a healthy scratch next game.

He led the team in ice time against Dallas. They do not want him gone.

 

[guitarguyvic]

No kidding, I picked up on that.

You don’t see the difference between 5-10 teams not making the playoffs and 16 teams not making the playoffs? Because there’s a difference.

People act like this is some grand unchanging tradition when the format has changed before too.
The semi-finals became a best of 7 in 1986-87.

I don't want more teams in the playoffs. What's so great about having a couple of mediocre teams play a few more games? I think it would make the regular season less exciting because each point is less critical. Bringing up the past formats doesn't help the argument either...back when only a handful of teams missed the playoffs, half the league was playing for nothing by the middle of the season. That's lame.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

More than anything really, we need a bottom 6 forward to replace Bastian

 

[Bleedred]

They want him gone. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a healthy scratch next game.

There is clearly no indication that they want him gone.

At least not before the conclusion of this year.

I don't think any of us want him back after this year, but I still stand by that our lineup is better with him in it. In 2-3 years from now? Maybe not.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Boquist and Rango do not bring enough elsewhere, to offset their black-hole board play. Forechecking cream-puffs who lose every "battle", often ending up on the ice.

They are not pieces on a contender...

I'm also not liking what I'm seeing out of Holtz in this regard.

He’s not a piece on a contender until he gets hot during a playoff run and scores 10 goals. I don’t see why a solid PKer with his shot and ability to play with our best player is someone we want to move on from.

And he was really good on that line last night.

 

[My3Sons]

More than anything really, we need a bottom 6 forward to replace Bastian

Zetterlund can provide some of what Bastian did. I'm thinking the problem is more a top six winger. In my view, you have three forwards that carry almost all of the offensive burden. One more to help spread that around a bit more would be helpful.

 

[bigd]

There is clearly no indication that they want him gone.

At least not before the conclusion of this year.

I don't think any of us want him back after this year, but I still stand by that our lineup is better with him in it. In 2-3 years from now? Maybe not.

After last night they are.

There is clearly no indication that they want him gone.

At least not before the conclusion of this year.

I don't think any of us want him back after this year, but I still stand by that our lineup is better with him in it. In 2-3 years from now? Maybe not.

I stand by my statement, he would be gone by now if they were offered a 1st round pick.

 

[MauDevils]

Zetterlund can provide some of what Bastian did. I'm thinking the problem is more a top six winger. In my view, you have three forwards that carry almost all of the offensive burden. One more to help spread that around a bit more would be helpful.

I think net front is more of a skill than it gets credit for. There's a big difference between standing a big guy in front of the goalie and actually taking his eyes away.

 

[My3Sons]

After last night they are.

I stand by my statement, he would be gone by now if they were offered a 1st round pick.

There was a discussion by someone in the media covering the Devils that made reference to the guys concerned that the team was shipping out anyone they could over the past few seasons. It's an easy point to rebut since the team was terrible and needed to rebuild but I also understand how constant overhaul weighs on guys like Hischier and Bratt that have been with the team as long as they have and have just seen failure outside one season. I cannot see NJ just dumping expiring vets this year for futures if the team stays competitive. It would be a terrible message to the locker room. NJ doesn't have a right handed defender to call up if Severson is moved. I'm not sure you want Bahl playing on his offside so early in his career.

 

[Guttersniped]

I don't want more teams in the playoffs. What's so great about having a couple of mediocre teams play a few more games? I think it would make the regular season less exciting because each point is less critical. Bringing up the past formats doesn't help the argument either...back when only a handful of teams missed the playoffs, half the league was playing for nothing by the middle of the season. That's lame.

We don’t own teams and playoff profits are pretty significant. My guess is owners are pretty unhappy that they can have good teams they spend to win on and not make it. Teams needed 100 points to make the playoffs in the East last season.

My point was that other leagues have expanded playoffs because there are more teams and having this many teams in the the NHL is pretty new.

There typically isn’t much of a difference with bubble teams in and not in the playoffs. I don’t love the idea myself either because I like four rounds of 7 game series, but I see reasons for it.

 

[My3Sons]

We don’t own teams and playoff profits are pretty significant. My guess is owners are pretty unhappy that they can have good teams they spend to win on and not make it. Teams needed 100 points to make the playoffs in the East last season.

My point was that other leagues have expanded playoffs because there are more teams and having this many teams in the the NHL is pretty new.

There typically isn’t much of a difference with bubble teams in and not in the playoffs. I don’t love the idea myself either because I like four rounds of 7 game series, but I see reasons for it.

I can easily see a play in process. As you've noted, there are good teams with big payrolls not getting any playoff revenue. Having a few extra play in games is a blip on the radar screen. The NBA has done it and at some point you'd expect the NHL to follow along.

 

[Triumph]

I don't want more teams in the playoffs. What's so great about having a couple of mediocre teams play a few more games? I think it would make the regular season less exciting because each point is less critical. Bringing up the past formats doesn't help the argument either...back when only a handful of teams missed the playoffs, half the league was playing for nothing by the middle of the season. That's lame.

The problem with the format now is threefold: great teams barely get rewarded for a great season, the shootout and OT are too determinative, and tanking is encouraged. I agree this new format would have problems, the biggest of which is pushing off the start of the real playoffs by several days. It may not be worth that to do this, but I don't like the fact that a team can run off a huge season and barely get anything for it except home ice advantage. Having to face a team that's played a three game playoff while you've been resting could be a nice reward. It also means that playoff position means something - you want to finish above 7th.

Tanking encouragement wouldn't decrease much, but while I love the trade deadline from a fan interest standpoint I don't think it's great for the game overall.

 

[bigd]

There was a discussion by someone in the media covering the Devils that made reference to the guys concerned that the team was shipping out anyone they could over the past few seasons. It's an easy point to rebut since the team was terrible and needed to rebuild but I also understand how constant overhaul weighs on guys like Hischier and Bratt that have been with the team as long as they have and have just seen failure outside one season. I cannot see NJ just dumping expiring vets this year for futures if the team stays competitive. It would be a terrible message to the locker room. NJ doesn't have a right handed defender to call up if Severson is moved. I'm not sure you want Bahl playing on his offside so early in his career.

He knows he's not coming back. He's not happy being dropped to third pairing and it shows. The problem is, other teams know this too!

 

[bossram]

f*** it, let’s unload Sevo for a first (if we can get one) and roll Bahl on the third pair. Walsh or Okhotuk can be the 7th at this point.

I don't really think there's anything to do with Severson this season. Devils are trying to make the playoffs this year. They probably shouldn't trade anyone off the team. And Severson has tanked his value this season, so I'm not sure he's pulling a 1st back.

But I do see some merit in trading him for picks, and then re-rolling those picks + Devils 1st into a good player who can help and perhaps better fits the team's needs now.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

So we need a guy good in front of the net on the PP…

 

[My3Sons]

He knows he's not coming back. He's not happy being dropped to third pairing and it shows. The problem is, other teams know this too!

He has been outplayed by Marino and Hamilton. He wants to get paid, and almost certainly will. I am disappointed he's been a good soldier and will miss the team improving beyond this season. He's a better defender than he gets credit for even if his mistakes are of the gut punch variety. Hopefully he can get some other team to pay him tip top dollar for many years after this one.

 

[bigd]

He has been outplayed by Marino and Hamilton. He wants to get paid, and almost certainly will. I am disappointed he's been a good soldier and will miss the team improving beyond this season. He's a better defender than he gets credit for even if his mistakes are of the gut punch variety. Hopefully he can get some other team to pay him tip top dollar for many years after this one.

How do you know he's been a "good soldier"?

 

[My3Sons]

How do you know he's been a "good soldier"?

Media coverage over the years gives me that impression. It's my opinion, I'm not stating it's a fact.

 

[MartyOwns]

So we need a guy good in front of the net on the PP…

would love to see rico back to push haula down to the 4th line, which is still too good for him but whatever