Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2022-23 season thread part III

Status
Not open for further replies.

Guttersniped

Satan’s Wallpaper
Sponsor
Dec 20, 2018
23,079
52,196
The more the season progresses, the more the Devils really need to treat this as a year where they make a push for the Cup. Yes, they have a young core and yes they shouldn't entirely mortgage away the future for a win-now move. But this is also shaping up to be one of the best regular season teams they've ever had, and you can't just throw away the opportunity with the expectation that they'll be this good year after year.

It's possible that we'll look back at this group as one of the best teams they had with the Hughes/Hischier core and we shouldn't be satisfied with a first round washout. You just never know how many real opportunities you get at a run with a dominant team.

It’s early December.
I don’t think he’s done in Edmonton.

If that’s true, I agree with you. But, in that case, I still I think there are a lot of teams that could beat our offer.

But, I think pool party still plays a meaningful role there and I don’t think they trade him unless they get an upgrade for this year. Or at least swap for a different underperforming prospect in a more meaningful position (like D).
Oh, he’s done there if they could move him for anything feasible. He has one goal in 27 games and is whining to the Finnish press again, their patience has to have just about run out.

Add a gimpy Yamamoto with zero goals and Kane being out for the next several months and you have a team only getting scoring from four forwards. Granted, they get a shit ton from two, but if McDavid got hurt that team would borderline cease to exist.
 

Guttersniped

Satan’s Wallpaper
Sponsor
Dec 20, 2018
23,079
52,196
This is why I mostly stay on our board, where if I say something weird you lot will politely tell me I'm an idiot.

Whereas if I do it on the main board, I make us all look like idiots, because HF doesn't do nuance or accept that different posters in the same fanbase could have differing opinions. Wild concept, I know.

I was in the GL12 thread and I genuinely annoyed by an alleged Devils fan calling us “a Cup Favorite”.

It was such a baiting shitpost from an account started in October.

And I, and some other HFDevils posters, happened to be in the middle of explaining how reasonable Devils fans are about our team (just enjoying the success, know the team is good, happy to what we can do in the playoffs, etc) when that was dumped out of some rando’s asshole.

In the end you can’t stop the main board bad faith brigade from jumping on the worst takes from alleged Devils fans or twisting normal ones into more extreme nonsense. It’s what they do.

There are more than one Hab fan who will not stop saying the “HFBoards said X, Y, or Z about the potential returns of their trade bait at the last TDL” as if we all collectively voted on a position about those returns. There’s nothing you can do to stop it.
 

Whaddagoal

The Sheldon Keefe Era Begins
Nov 28, 2005
12,660
11,520
New Jersey
This team is breaking records and leading the league. You don't mess with this chemistry unless you are forced to due to injuries. Don't fix what ain't broken.

Get Palat back and run this baby out.

Moving Blackwood for an extra Dman would be about the only move I'd make that wouldn't impact the chemistry imo but what happens if a goalie gets injured? Not worth it after last year.

Playing with house money - let it ride.

Agreed 1000%
 

TBF1972

Registered User
May 19, 2018
8,474
6,956
You love to see it. Josi was unreal offensively last year, but if I recall correctly his advanced defensive stats were poopoo.
you can't talk down any swiss players here or a certain someone will jinx your 2am piss with a mainboard thread.
 

TBF1972

Registered User
May 19, 2018
8,474
6,956
I don't think he will ever put up big points, but Sigenthaler's on-ice impact is massive.
119875.jpg

close to blackwood's off-ice impact
 

ChicksDigTheTrap

No quick fixes, no cutting corners and no cheating
Sep 16, 2018
4,945
5,240
Springsteen Country
Go look at where each of these teams finished and how good the Devils analytics look since they’ve been tracking it. Who cares if it’s December, it’s time to recognize that this is a rare season that we don’t often get.


Hard to believe the same "mediocre" coach has 2 different teams on that list.
 

TBF1972

Registered User
May 19, 2018
8,474
6,956
The more the season progresses, the more the Devils really need to treat this as a year where they make a push for the Cup. Yes, they have a young core and yes they shouldn't entirely mortgage away the future for a win-now move. But this is also shaping up to be one of the best regular season teams they've ever had, and you can't just throw away the opportunity with the expectation that they'll be this good year after year.

It's possible that we'll look back at this group as one of the best teams they had with the Hughes/Hischier core and we shouldn't be satisfied with a first round washout. You just never know how many real opportunities you get at a run with a dominant team.
that's a no for me. stay patient.

there were a lot of good regular season teams, who did nothing in the playoffs. this team goes as far, as their best players can take them. our core (hischier/hughes etc.) needs first to gain some playoff experience. once our core players are familiar with playoff hockey, load up for those cup runs.
 

Saugus

Ecrasez l'infame!
Sponsor
Jun 17, 2009
106,182
15,020
Connecticut
Go look at where each of these teams finished and how good the Devils analytics look since they’ve been tracking it. Who cares if it’s December, it’s time to recognize that this is a rare season that we don’t often get.



It's crazy that the Devils are already on that list of juggernauts after being so bad last season. And even crazier that two teams are doing it in the same season.

One reason the Devils aren't getting as much recognition as they should for this impressive start is that Boston has somehow been even better.
 

TBF1972

Registered User
May 19, 2018
8,474
6,956
Yeah it's hard to find a new spot for a forward.

Palat and Nate should be pushing Holtz and Boqvist out. Who do you sit after that? Zetterland? Yegor? Idk
in case you trade for a forward, it has to be a quality player young enough to be kept around mid-term. in this case you trade one of the younger forwards (boqvist, rango?) the other way to reduce the cap hit, contract numbers and costs in futures.
 

Hisch13r

Registered User
May 16, 2012
36,672
38,985
NJ
They good

"10. The first 16 Stats of the season started with some gushing over the Devils and their potential to be a sleeping giant. New Jersey was just 4-3-0 then, but the Devils underlying numbers screamed juggernaut. Since then, the Devils have gone 17-1-1. Ummmmm… yeah, not a bad call!
The thesis for New Jersey’s juggernaut status was based on the team’s monstrous five-on-five results, namely a 64 percent expected goals ratio in all situations. It was only seven games, but teams that play that well for seven games were a rarity. And almost all of them were elite teams.
The Devils now have 26 games of data under their belt and their incredible underlying numbers still haven’t gone away. In all situations, the team has earned 61 percent of the expected goals and now have the actual goals to match at nearly 63 percent.
Naturally, it’s time to do the same study as the one at the start of the season — only this time with more data. I looked at every team’s expected and actual goal rates since 2007-08, 25 games at a time. Here is the full list of teams who have been above 60 percent in actual and expected goals over a 25-game stretch.
Detroit Red Wings, 2007-08
San Jose Sharks, 2008-09
San Jose Sharks, 2013-14
St. Louis Blues, 2018-19
Colorado Avalanche, 2020-21
Florida Panthers, 2021-22
New Jersey Devils, 2022-23
That’s it. That’s the list. Seven other teams — three of which won the Stanley Cup.
Juggernaut."
 

HBK27

HFBoards Sponsor
Sponsor
Aug 5, 2005
14,264
15,595
Northern NJ
The talk on NHL.com of our trading for Kane is shocking. I can’t imagine there’s anything to it. It makes absolutely no sense and would run totally counter to the youth movement here that is serving us so well.

The only way it would make any sense is if Kane really wanted to come here because he thought the team had a legitimate chance of winning the Cup and he wanted to play our style of hockey. Since he has a full NMC, he can essentially dictate where he goes and the return to Chicago won't be that great. That being said, I don't think there's any possible way to make it work with the salary cap since we're not accruing any cap space. Maybe with double-retention it's possible.
 

Hisch13r

Registered User
May 16, 2012
36,672
38,985
NJ
The only way it would make any sense is if Kane really wanted to come here because he thought the team had a legitimate chance of winning the Cup and he wanted to play our style of hockey. Since he has a full NMC, he can essentially dictate where he goes and the return to Chicago won't be that great. That being said, I don't think there's any possible way to make it work with the salary cap since we're not accruing any cap space. Maybe with double-retention it's possible.

I'd definitely steer clear of Kane
 

RSeen

Registered User
Oct 26, 2011
6,816
2,204
Toronto
Fitz already said he was interested in pure rentals. Doubt Kane is even on his radar
Palat will be like getting a trade deadline acquisition anyways given how long he has been/will be out. If we are looking to put this team over the top, 1 more top six winger would make sense to me.

x - Jack - Bratt
Palat - Nico - Tatar
Yegor - Mercer - Zetterlund
Wood - McLeod - Bastian
Boqvist

If x was a Kane or in an ideal world an extended Meier, that would be great. In which case if its Meier you can probably bring Palat or Tatar up with Jack and Bratt. Were a contender IMO with a long window - I wouldn't hate us going for it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: My3Sons

Nubmer6

Sleep is a poor substitute for caffeine
Sponsor
Jul 14, 2013
14,444
19,829
The Village
I mean he's an elite penalty killer, he can contribute on the Devils even when he's not scoring. And he's the closest thing we'll have to 2015-2020 Kyle Palmieri mold of a streaky sniper. Definitely want to keep him after this year in RFA.
I'm not saying to not qualify him. I'm saying he's a position we could possibly upgrade at.
 

Hisch13r

Registered User
May 16, 2012
36,672
38,985
NJ
Palat will be like getting a trade deadline acquisition anyways given how long he has been/will be out. If we are looking to put this team over the top, 1 more top six winger would make sense to me.

x - Jack - Bratt
Palat - Nico - Tatar
Yegor - Mercer - Zetterlund
Wood - McLeod - Bastian
Boqvist

If x was a Kane or in an ideal world an extended Meier, that would be great. In which case if its Meier you can probably bring Palat or Tatar up with Jack and Bratt. Were a contender IMO with a long window - I wouldn't hate us going for it.

Haula? Any of Yegor, Mercer, or Zetterlund can slide up on that lineup and be good top 6 wingers. All can give you top 6 production and can at least hold their own defensively. Looking at that lineup I’d move Palat to Jack and Bratt and Zetterlund back to Nico and Tatar. Unless it’s like Meier for a reasonable deal and reasonable extension then just leave it be
 

glenwo2

JESPER BRATWURST
Oct 18, 2008
52,688
25,356
New Jersey(No Fanz!)
I believe it was the second one. They came out about a year apart, the first and second ones. I saw them in the movie theaters with friends. They were okay. I probably would have liked them more if I was a little bit younger than 14/15 when they came out.

My favorite star of the second one was Kevin Nash playing shredder.

And it took a LONG time for any of us to find out that it was Kevin Nash in that movie. I'm pretty sure he's credited as Kevin Nash in that movie, but we knew him as Steel or Vinny Vegas and Oz and probably Diesel before we even knew the guy's real name was Kevin Nash. We didn't what the hell the guy's real name was haha. I don't even know if I knew it was him when he actually showed up back in WCW again in 1996 under his real name of Kevin Nash. I probably found out about that 10 years after the fact.
Uhh....would you believe that up till THIS post, I had zero clue...and I mean ZERO clue..that Kevin Nash was even in the movie, let alone f'n Shredder????? WHAT THE F***?!?!! :amazed::amazed::amazed::amazed::amazed:

Mind is officially blown.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bleedred
Status
Not open for further replies.

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad