Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2022-23 season thread part III

[Bcap88]

to be honest, I don't think anyone here is advocating for that....

I don’t think so either but I can see bratt’s camp asking for a number in that range and if it comes to that the devils would have an interesting decision to make

 

[JrFischer54]

For the record, I think Bratt is a very good player. I would be ok with giving him anywhere from 8-10 mil but once you get into the 11/12 mil range the production doesn’t match the salary

I’m not going to say he is or isn’t worth the 11-12 but once the cap goes up and up eventually you’ll see 10-12 more and more common

 

[Billdo]

For the record, I think Bratt is a very good player. I would be ok with giving him anywhere from 8-10 mil but once you get into the 11/12 mil range the production doesn’t match the salary

I think 10 is a massive stretch regardless of what his advanced stats say.

 

[Devil X]

I cant imagine a situation where Bratts camp is asking for the much.

Part of me thinks the numbers are lower then we think. I could see the Devils arguing that as a winger he is less important to the team the a center and trying to get him for 7 while his camp would be arguing for 8 or just a bit over.

I dont think anyone is rationally arguing for 10 11 or 12 million for Bratt. If thats true then honestly he might have to be moved. There is a lot of guys out there that are going to need contracts in the future. Jack and Nico both took team friendly deals, if you want to be competitive for a long time and not just for a couple seasons thats what needs to happen.

I could see a deal that buys a couple of Bratts UFA years but maybe lets him hit FA at 29 to get another good contract. I think that might be the best for everyone.

It will be interesting to see how all this works out. A lot of guys are going to be due raises and some tough decisions are going to be made. Miles Wood might be playing himself into a contact the Devils cant afford.

 

[NJDevs26]

Yeah, but I legitimately think Bratt wants to be here. He’s said as much and his girlfriend is from NY, I really think a 9-9.5 mil deal gets it done.

Also wanted to add that 10 mil a year would make him the highest paid winger in the league, which as much as I love Bratt, is absurd.

I’d be willing to go 9, and like MAX MAX 9.5 .

Mitch Marner is at almost $11 million. There’s also Panarin, and Huberdeau with $10+ million deals. Gaudreau had at least one $10 million offer but apparently had his heart set on Columbus, Ohio. Marner signed his extension after a 94-point season, if Bratt gets anywhere near that this year don’t be surprised if they ask for something with eight digits per year

 

[njdevils1982]

Mitch Marner is at almost $11 million. There’s also Panarin, and Huberdeau with $10+ million deals. Gaudreau had at least one $10 million offer but apparently had his heart set on Columbus, Ohio. Marner signed his extension after a 94-point season, if Bratt gets anywhere near that this year don’t be surprised if they ask for something with eight digits per year

marner makes 13.2% of leafs cap for 3 more years 10.9M

panarin 14.1% @ 11.6M

hubeardeau's long contract kicks in his 10.5M next season

johnny 11.8% @ 9.7M

.....

jack 9.7% @ 8M on long term

nico 8.8% @ 7.2M mid/long term


hamilton (yes, i know a dman...our highest pie slice) is 10.9% @ 9M

does signing a new contract nowadays with the cap now slowing going to rise justify marner and johnny jacket money?


@My3Sons brought up something like this thought not long ago ...

but ya. i cant figure out what is bratt's worth and place in the whole scheme of the team's makeup money wise.

 

[JrFischer54]

Mitch Marner is at almost $11 million. There’s also Panarin, and Huberdeau with $10+ million deals. Gaudreau had at least one $10 million offer but apparently had his heart set on Columbus, Ohio. Marner signed his extension after a 94-point season, if Bratt gets anywhere near that this year don’t be surprised if they ask for something with eight digits per year

If bratt can get to 95pts sure ask for marner money. I wouldn’t give him that money but that’s a reasonable ask if he can get to 95

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

If we are going all in for a deep playoff run this season, then I think the team needs the following:

1. Top 6 scorer / power play help
2. Veteran depth dman

Let's talk about top 6 scorer / power play help. I'm OK with giving Holtz a chance (Option A) and i'm also OK in trading Holtz plus a 1st round pick for a proven forward in Timo Meier (Option B).

Option A
I think the best scenario long term for the team is Holtz contributing. If he can start scoring goals and force Lindy to play him each game, it will be the best interest of the team in managing the cap. And it opens up possibilities of extending any of our UFA. The Bratt extension needs to be managed now and the Mercer extension needs to be planned for in 2 seasons. With Holtz ELC we can best do that.

Option B
If Fitz decides to go all in and wants Timo Meier (or a similar goal scoring winger) and Holtz is moved in the opposite direction then I'm OK if the player being acquired is able to be signed long term. I don't want to lose Holtz for a rental winger.

This team can both sign Bratt and Meier to long term $8m contracts, however it means that our cap flexibility is severely compromised going forward. All our UFAs are probably not coming back. Blackwood is not qualified. Boqvist will be the 3C going foward and we will have rookies in the lineup Luke Hughes, Nemec to replace Graves and Severson. Tyce Thompson to replace Miles Wood? Gritsyuk to replace Tatar?
Sharangovich only gets a modest raise.

Speaking of Sharangovich and Miles Wood - who is more important to the team. I could see the team prioritizing a Wood re-signing over Yegor re-signing if cap space is limited.

Finally with regards to veteran depth dman. Someone like Kulikov would fit the bill to push Smith out of the lineup. And Kulikov can play both sides if we do have a RD injury.

 

[JrFischer54]

If we are going all in for a deep playoff run this season, then I think the team needs the following:

1. Top 6 scorer / power play help
2. Veteran depth dman

Let's talk about top 6 scorer / power play help. I'm OK with giving Holtz a chance (Option A) and i'm also OK in trading Holtz plus a 1st round pick for a proven forward in Timo Meier (Option B).

Option A
I think the best scenario long term for the team is Holtz contributing. If he can start scoring goals and force Lindy to play him each game, it will be the best interest of the team in managing the cap. And it opens up possibilities of extending any of our UFA. The Bratt extension needs to be managed now and the Mercer extension needs to be planned for in 2 seasons. With Holtz ELC we can best do that.

Option B
If Fitz decides to go all in and wants Timo Meier (or a similar goal scoring winger) and Holtz is moved in the opposite direction then I'm OK if the player being acquired is able to be signed long term. I don't want to lose Holtz for a rental winger.

This team can both sign Bratt and Meier to long term $8m contracts, however it means that our cap flexibility is severely compromised going forward. All our UFAs are probably not coming back. Blackwood is not qualified. Boqvist will be the 3C going foward and we will have rookies in the lineup Luke Hughes, Nemec to replace Graves and Severson. Tyce Thompson to replace Miles Wood? Gritsyuk to replace Tatar?
Sharangovich only gets a modest raise.

Speaking of Sharangovich and Miles Wood - who is more important to the team. I could see the team prioritizing a Wood re-signing over Yegor re-signing if cap space is limited.

Finally with regards to veteran depth dman. Someone like Kulikov would fit the bill to push Smith out of the lineup. And Kulikov can play both sides if we do have a RD injury.

Woods > shara

Even if holtz starts to contribute now doesn’t mean he won’t regress in his sophomore year or even him reaching his peak is 2 years away. The team has a young core go get them that proven goal scorer is my opinion and not a rental holtz and the first is going to get you back more then a rental so I’m not worried about that.

 

[njdevils1982]

What’s a Lavalette? It’s that like a bidet?

no. a bidet is for the ahn-oos ... your peter is for the laviolette

 

[Guttersniped]

Mitch Marner is at almost $11 million. There’s also Panarin, and Huberdeau with $10+ million deals. Gaudreau had at least one $10 million offer but apparently had his heart set on Columbus, Ohio. Marner signed his extension after a 94-point season, if Bratt gets anywhere near that this year don’t be surprised if they ask for something with eight digits per year

Marner scores 94 points when Average G/GP were 3.01 and not 3.17. And Bratt’s not on pace for ~94 points now. Marner’s contract was also kind of brutal, as good as he is.

Panarin and Huberdeau were Hart finalists with way more production.

I don’t see it when people keep pointing to wingers with histories of way more production to argue that Bratt should get the same.

I probably argued more than I want to because we’re going to hit an impasse. I don’t see it and others do.

 

[MadDevil]

I think Bratt's more comparable to Fiala than those other names, and wouldn't be surprised if he ends up around the same number. It is going to be kind of funny if, after all this, they sign a reasonable deal that makes us all go "Why the hell didn't they just do that last summer?!"

 

[TBF1972]

I agree. That doesn’t mean the agent doesn’t think some team willl. My point is that if the agent foresees an unreasonable contract being offered to Bratt that’s what will drive the negotiation bus. It’s more about his perception than any ultimate reality.

what team has the cap space to offer sheet bratt for 7x10m? i am pretty sure, the devils would be better off to take the 4 compensatory 1st round picks.

 

[TBF1972]

If we do move Bratt at the draft the trade comparables gotta be Fiala an Debrincat right ? No one here will be happy if it gets to that point, only thing we can hope for is a team in the top half of the draft gives us a 1st+ for him

no potential lottery team will move their first unprotected at the deadline. zero chance.

you may can target a few nice prospects and protected first round picks.

 

[Sgt Brylin]

If we are going all in for a deep playoff run this season, then I think the team needs the following:

1. Top 6 scorer / power play help
2. Veteran depth dman

Let's talk about top 6 scorer / power play help. I'm OK with giving Holtz a chance (Option A) and i'm also OK in trading Holtz plus a 1st round pick for a proven forward in Timo Meier (Option B).

I think our big deadline addition is going to be Ondrej Palat and a depth D.

 

[JrFischer54]

what team has the cap space to offer sheet bratt for 7x10m? i am pretty sure, the devils would be better of to take the 4 compensatory 1st round picks.

Yeah I’m not a draft pick over nhl talent guy but even I would take the 4 firsts if that happened. Use that money to go get someone to replace him

 

[My3Sons]

what team has the cap space to offer sheet bratt for 7x10m? i am pretty sure, the devils would be better off to take the 4 compensatory 1st round picks.

No team will offer sheet him. That’s not my point. I’m just suggesting that if Bratt’s agent sees that as an attainable contract when Bratt hits UFA that’s the number he will be negotiating towards. The last RFA year is not the issue. My guess is that Bratt’s agent is looking two years ahead at the cap rising and thr landscape then to formulate his negotiating position now.

 

[HBK27]

Mitch Marner is at almost $11 million. There’s also Panarin, and Huberdeau with $10+ million deals. Gaudreau had at least one $10 million offer but apparently had his heart set on Columbus, Ohio. Marner signed his extension after a 94-point season, if Bratt gets anywhere near that this year don’t be surprised if they ask for something with eight digits per year

If Bratt's looking for $10M+ he and his agent can go pound sand.

Marner and Panarin are good examples why you don't give all that money to top end wingers, since you need depth to actually win in the playoffs. Huberdeau's contract was given out of desperation after seeing both Gaudreau and Tkachuck wanting out. That is quickly going to become one of the worst contracts in the league once it kicks in. Gaudreau is coming off a 40 goal / 115 point season and has a long track record and Columbus has historically had difficultly attracting / holding onto top free agents.

Ultimately, I believe Fitz will make him a very fair offer. Might not be what he could get on the open market, but he will be well compensated and will have a great opportunity to win the Cup during the duration of the contract. If you want to have sustained success in this league, you have to have your top players willing to take a little bit of a hit versus what they might be able to get elsewhere.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

If we are going all in for a deep playoff run this season, then I think the team needs the following:

1. Top 6 scorer / power play help
2. Veteran depth dman

Let's talk about top 6 scorer / power play help. I'm OK with giving Holtz a chance (Option A) and i'm also OK in trading Holtz plus a 1st round pick for a proven forward in Timo Meier (Option B).

Option A
I think the best scenario long term for the team is Holtz contributing. If he can start scoring goals and force Lindy to play him each game, it will be the best interest of the team in managing the cap. And it opens up possibilities of extending any of our UFA. The Bratt extension needs to be managed now and the Mercer extension needs to be planned for in 2 seasons. With Holtz ELC we can best do that.

Option B
If Fitz decides to go all in and wants Timo Meier (or a similar goal scoring winger) and Holtz is moved in the opposite direction then I'm OK if the player being acquired is able to be signed long term. I don't want to lose Holtz for a rental winger.

This team can both sign Bratt and Meier to long term $8m contracts, however it means that our cap flexibility is severely compromised going forward. All our UFAs are probably not coming back. Blackwood is not qualified. Boqvist will be the 3C going foward and we will have rookies in the lineup Luke Hughes, Nemec to replace Graves and Severson. Tyce Thompson to replace Miles Wood? Gritsyuk to replace Tatar?
Sharangovich only gets a modest raise.

Speaking of Sharangovich and Miles Wood - who is more important to the team. I could see the team prioritizing a Wood re-signing over Yegor re-signing if cap space is limited.

Finally with regards to veteran depth dman. Someone like Kulikov would fit the bill to push Smith out of the lineup. And Kulikov can play both sides if we do have a RD injury.

I don’t think we’re going all in nor do I think we should. Keep building smartly. Let Fitz work his magic. People also like to think/dream big with players like Meier but that doesn’t seem to be Fitzy’s thing.

 

[HBK27]

I think our big deadline addition is going to be Ondrej Palat and a depth D.

Will also depend on the injury situation - still not hearing anything about Bastian is concerning. If he's out for the season, then you might look to get another big body to fill his role.

 

[Figgie]

There was lot of talk about our future defense in Nemec theard. So I would be very happy if we could sign Graves to a 2-4 years contract with AAV lower than what Siegs gets.

Then our Defense could be something like this next year and in the future:

Siegs- Dougie
Graves/Luke- Marino
Luke/Graves- x/Nemec

 

[The Grinder]

I second that this might not be the year to go all in, but then again If the team is hovering around top in the league at the deadline, then maybe we should think about adding? Make a “hockey trade” as Fitz likes to stress.

 

[Classic Devil]

There was lot of talk about our future defense in Nemec theard. So I would be very happy if we could sign Graves to a 2-4 years contract with AAV lower than what Siegs gets.

Then our Defense could be something like this next year and in the future:

Siegs- Dougie
Graves/Luke- Marino
Luke/Graves- x/Nemec

I think the probability of Graves getting an AAV lower than Siegs is close to zero. Unless he chooses to take a steep discount.

 

[Hisch13r]

lol Is the Bratt contract like the only thing that even gets talked about in here anymore? I've been checking back in periodically and every single time it is dominating the thread.

 

[Saugus]

lol Is the Bratt contract like the only thing that even gets talked about in here anymore? I've been checking back in periodically and every single time it is dominating the thread.

Because other than injury updates (which are usually not forthcoming), it's the only major question hanging over the team right now.

Call it the curse of following a team firing on all cylinders: there's nothing interesting to talk about.