Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2022-23 season thread part III

[Captain3rdLine]

based on what?

I just don't think his defensive zone play is ready for the NHL, and I would rather let him play the entire year in Utica. Having him in NJ and playing like 8-10 minutes per night isn't going to do him any good IMO.

Them putting him on the roster at the start so it would be cheaper to call him up cap wise at some point.

Why don’t you think his defensive zone play is ready? What is that based on?

And why in the world would he play 8-10 minutes a night in NJ?
Okhotiuk played 14 and 16 minutes in his first 2 games. And from everything I’ve seen Nemec was playing over him and likely more minutes in Utica. If Nemec is able to keep up and play a role there is definitely a ton of value in that.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

 

[Bleedred]

Easily our team MVP and may be the most skilled player we've ever had.

In before ''OOHHHHH but Kovalschmuck and his 83 points on a broken back while playing 24.5 minutes a night''.

 

[Triumph]

Them putting him on the roster at the start so it would be cheaper to call him up cap wise at some point.

This applies to everyone, not just Nemec. They maximized their LTIR space by leaving Nemec up.

Why don’t you think his defensive zone play is ready? What is that based on?

And why in the world would he play 8-10 minutes a night in NJ?
Okhotiuk played 14 and 16 minutes in his first 2 games. And from everything I’ve seen Nemec was playing over him and likely more minutes in Utica. If Nemec is able to keep up and play a role there is definitely a ton of value in that.

I don't think Nemec's level of play warrants being called up. The Devils are going to be a cap team for the forseeable future and they need to maximize cap space in future years. Nemec might be a minor improvement on what the Devils are using now, but it's unclear if that would be the case, and the Devils would end up starting his contract if he plays ten games.

 

[Rybo]

Ive gotta question any stat that has Jack above McDavid

Love him and all but Connor is nearly 2ppg

 

[Captain3rdLine]

This applies to everyone, not just Nemec. They maximized their LTIR space by leaving Nemec up.



I don't think Nemec's level of play warrants being called up. The Devils are going to be a cap team for the forseeable future and they need to maximize cap space in future years. Nemec might be a minor improvement on what the Devils are using now, but it's unclear if that would be the case, and the Devils would end up starting his contract if he plays ten games.

It was more specifically tied to Nemec. There’s some tweets attempting to explain it with multiple suggesting it would be much more costly to call-him up later if they didn’t do that.



And fair enough on the other points but I wouldn’t say it doesn’t warrant being called up. From everything I’ve seen he’s been one of Utica’s best if not their best defensmen. The devils are short dmen and I think it’s certainly possible he gets a call up. Especially if Okhotiuk plays the next game or two the way he played the last one.

He also doesn’t need to play 10 games. He’d likely be sent down in coming weeks when Marino and/or Graves come back. Give him a taste while the devils need some help and then send him back down.

 

[Devs3cups]

I’ve watched Nemec very closely in Utica and the WJC recently and I certainly think he could hold his own. He looks good and I can’t see him looking worse than Bahl or Okh (not that they’ve been bad). Very intelligent player, high IQ and very poised. With that being said, I understand the contract aspect of it (even though he most likely won’t play 10 games anyway) and I do believe playing lots of minutes in Utica might be best for him right now. We’ll see.

 

[Mr Bojanglez]

Ive gotta question any stat that has Jack above McDavid

Love him and all but Connor is nearly 2ppg

agree. i'm not sure what that stat means. could someone explain for me?

 

[Forge]

Absolutely not.

Nemec should not see NHL ice this year. He isn't ready.

It's not going to stifle his long term development to get a handful of games. Nothing wrong with the 9 game tryout during a period where Marino may be out long term.

 

[Rybo]

It's not going to stifle his long term development to get a handful of games. Nothing wrong with the 9 game tryout during a period where Marino may be out long term.

Problem there is if he plays well you cant send him down

Probably best to not even try it unless youre willing to burn that ELC year

agree. i'm not sure what that stat means. could someone explain for me?

Idk but im sure its telling somewhat. I just cant get behind McDavid not being 1st on it is all

 

[Forge]

Problem there is if he plays well you cant send him down

Probably best to not even try it unless youre willing to burn that ELC year


Idk but im sure its telling somewhat. I just cant get behind McDavid not being 1st on it is all

There is no such thing as a problem brought on by "he's playing too well"

You may have to make a hard choice - if he's playing well and you don't want to burn the year, you send him down. Point blank. If you're willing to burn it (and truthfully, I think fans somewhat overrate the burning of an ELC year), then you keep him up.

 

[glenwo2]

So you’re sitting there in your underwear eating a block of government cheese the size of a car battery?

Thanks for the.....visual?

 

[Rybo]

There is no such thing as a problem brought on by "he's playing too well"

You may have to make a hard choice - if he's playing well and you don't want to burn the year, you send him down. Point blank. If you're willing to burn it (and truthfully, I think fans somewhat overrate the burning of an ELC year), then you keep him up.

Im not going to be the one to go into the locker room and explain why Nemec is playing well but we cant keep him up because of his contract, then subsequently put back in Ohkotyuk and he struggle during a playoff race

Thats setting yourself up for failure.

Nemec has played pro since 15, i dont think he needs nine games to see what he already knows. Either keep him up for good and playoff experience or just leave him down

 

[Forge]

Im not going to be the one to go into the locker room and explain why Nemec is playing well but we cant keep him up because of his contract, then subsequently put back in Ohkotyuk and he struggle during a playoff race

Thats setting yourself up for failure.

Nemec has played pro since 15, i dont think he needs nine games to see what he already knows. Either keep him up for good and playoff experience or just leave him down

It's a business. If Nemec has played pro since he was 15 he understands that and certainly others understand that. There's no guarantee that playing well in a short burst sample would have carried over...but he has to play well enough and in a way that leads the team to believe it's sustainable and he is the best chance to win moving forward. You can bring him up, he can play well, and you can still feel like he's not ready. If he's playing that well, he's staying up.

And playing pro in Slovakia since you were 15 doesn't mean anything with regards to whether or not you can play in the NHL right now.

 

[Forge]

This kind of conversation on Nemec honestly just feels like a lack of perfection being an enemy of doing anything.

 

[Rybo]

It's a business. If Nemec has played pro since he was 15 he understands that and certainly others understand that. There's no guarantee that playing well in a short burst sample would have carried over...but he has to play well enough and in a way that leads the team to believe it's sustainable and he is the best chance to win moving forward. You can bring him up, he can play well, and you can still feel like he's not ready. If he's playing that well, he's staying up.

And playing pro in Slovakia since you were 15 doesn't mean anything with regards to whether or not you can play in the NHL right now.

Im not speaking on how he feels or how hed perform. id just keep him down without second thought unless you traded Damon or Marino

Im stating itd be a tough sell to a locker room thats been wanting to fight for a playoff spot since 2018 that youre gonna remove a better player from them as to be more prepared for a cap hit three seasons from now

Him playing pro since 15 is meant to say he doesnt need a view of the big league, he already plays with that viewpoint. It was evident in his preseason interviews where he spoke on all he needs to work on to get ready for the big NA game

 

[Forge]

Im not speaking on how he feels or how hed perform. id just keep him down without second thought unless you traded Damon or Marino

Marino isn't playing. I said that in my initial response

If Marino was healthy, this is a non issue because the right side is set. But there's nothing wrong with giving him that look while Marino is out.

 

[Billdo]

Also if hes good defensively why is he playing less minutes than every other forward?

They're better? For what it's worth the last 4 games he hasn't played less than every other forward.

 

[Mr Bojanglez]

Idk but im sure its telling somewhat. I just cant get behind McDavid not being 1st on it is all

I think the stat is for games in which they score a goal. McDavid has more goals overall - but maybe a bunch of those came in chunks, within individual games. Jack scores goals in more games overall.... but doesn't have too many 2+ outburst games as McDavid

Edit: found in the replies "Lol it's just a cocktail of stats we care about (goals, assists, penalties, faceoffs, on-ice chances, etc.) weighted by how much we care about them."

 

[Rybo]

They're better? For what it's worth the last 4 games he hasn't played less than every other forward.

So our entire team is full of defensively strong players?

Idk if I buy that..

It seems like gerrymandering just to keep Boqvist around. He doesnt provide much and we very likely wouldnt skip a beat if he was traded/waived

 

[FooteBahl]

agree. i'm not sure what that stat means. could someone explain for me?

xGF*3.1416/coefficient of friction….kidding, I have no clue what these things mean

 

[Rybo]

Marino isn't playing. I said that in my initial response

If Marino was healthy, this is a non issue because the right side is set. But there's nothing wrong with giving him that look while Marino is out.

I just laid out what could be wrong with it. And its something you almost never see, a high draft pick being sent down after nine games during a playoff race

Odds are he isnt called up and if he is hes never sent down

 

[devilsblood]

Boqvist has been elite on the PK, that should and will keep him in the lineup.

He doesn't play nearly enough on the PK to be considered elite.

His numbers have been good in limited minutes though.

 

[Billdo]

So our entire team is full of defensively strong players?

Idk if I buy that..

It seems like gerrymandering just to keep Boqvist around. He doesnt provide much and we very likely wouldnt skip a beat if he was traded/waived

Nobody said that the club is full of defensively strong players. Boqvist is one of the better defensive forwards. There's nobody forcing him out of the lineup and he's the least of our problems at forward but by all means, use him as a scapegoat.

 

[Forge]

I just laid out what could be wrong with it. And its something you almost never see, a high draft pick being sent down after nine games during a playoff race

Odds are he isnt called up and if he is hes never sent down

I think you mostly created fictitious issues, but we can disagree, it's fine.