Post-Game Talk: Devils @ Rangers 11/12/13

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I bring stats to show that it wasn't a coincidence, so yes, I'm completely right. See, I have these things called "Facts", and "Facts" back up my argument. 1-8 when not scoring first. Did it "Just so happen" they lost those games too? It happens every year, not just this year.

Prove me wrong. Otherwise, I'm completely 100% right. Sorry that bothers you so much.

Only 6 teams in NHL who are above .500 to win when trailing after 1st goal.

And Devils are 28th (.455) to win when scoring first. (27 teams above .500 to win when scoring first)

Interesting statistics.
 
Only 6 teams in NHL who are above .500 to win when trailing after 1st goal.

And Devils are 28th (.455) to win when scoring first.

Interesting statistics.

Curious, which 6 teams?
 
I bring stats to show that it wasn't a coincidence, so yes, I'm completely right. See, I have these things called "Facts", and "Facts" back up my argument. 1-8 when not scoring first. Did it "Just so happen" they lost those games too? It happens every year, not just this year.

Prove me wrong. Otherwise, I'm completely 100% right. Sorry that bothers you so much.

Someone is testy. The Rangers win the vast majority of games that I've been to, they must be winning because of me. I got this thing call facts. I'm 100% right.

In THIS game it was mere coincidence. Your facts don't mean **** when you don't look at context. In this game the Rangers allowing the first goal had ZERO impact on the game. I don't care what they did in their other games. You certainly talk a big game for someone who has ZERO concept of logic.
 
That second goal was just..................ugh. Ew. That's like a Fleury goal.

Seems we played well otherwise though.
 
Someone is testy. The Rangers win the vast majority of games that I've been to, they must be winning because of me. I got this thing call facts. I'm 100% right.

In THIS game it was mere coincidence. Your facts don't mean **** when you don't look at context. In this game the Rangers allowing the first goal had ZERO impact on the game. I don't care what they did in their other games. You certainly talk a big game for someone who has ZERO concept of logic.

The burden of proof is on you. I have a large sample size of years. You are looking facts in the face and saying they don't exist. You live in a fantasy land.

Did they score the 1st goal?
If the answer is no, continue on to the next question

Did they lose?
If the answer is YES, then I'm right!

1-8 this season. I'll explain that further for you since you seem to have a hard time grasping that. That means 1 win and 8 losses. Was it a coincidence in those games as well? That fact is crucial to your argument.

Prove me wrong, bring some stats and facts. Let's see them. The burden of proof is on you.
 
The burden of proof is on you. I have a large sample size of years. You are looking facts in the face and saying they don't exist. You live in a fantasy land.

Did they score the 1st goal?
If the answer is no, continue on to the next question

Did they lose?
If the answer is YES, then I'm right!

1-8 this season. I'll explain that further for you since you seem to have a hard time grasping that. That means 1 win and 8 losses.

Prove me wrong, bring some stats and facts. Let's see them. The burden of proof is on you.

And the Rangers have been winning for years when I've come to the Garden. It must be me! You have no concept of logic and I live in a fantasy land. You're right usually, the Rangers as most teams have a hard time winning when they allow the first goal. They end up changing their game and playing from behind. The Rangers answered 18 seconds after the Devils' goal was scored. They didn't have to change their game at all. It might as well have been 0-0. The fact that you can't see past two numbers and a dash to think logically and decide to talk a big game is pretty sad.
 
And the Rangers have been winning for years when I've come to the Garden. It must be me! You have no concept of logic and I live in a fantasy land. You're right usually, the Rangers as most teams have a hard time winning when they allow the first goal. They end up changing their game and playing from behind. The Rangers answered 18 seconds after the Devils' goal was scored. They didn't have to change their game at all. It might as well have been 0-0. The fact that you can't see past two numbers and a dash to think logically and decide to talk a big game is pretty sad.

Real simple, answer this question:

Did they score the first goal tonight?

Either a Yes or a No will suffice
 
I don't think this game was a very good example of the "score first and you win" stat. It's not like we were chasing after the 1st goal.
 
I don't think this game was a very good example of the "score first and you win" stat. It's not like we were chasing after the 1st goal.

That's not the point, which is the frustrating part of it.
 
Real simple, answer this question:

Did they score the first goal tonight?

Either a Yes or a No will suffice

First answer if you know the difference between correlation and causation. Statistic 101. You're way out of your league. Go argue with someone that doesn't understand logic.
 
That makes it ok? That essentially renders this sport boring.

So you just like to argue just 'cause. That's just how it is. The argument you and the other guy are having is stupid. It's just how it is. Teams that score first usually build on it quick and hard and the opposition has difficulty. I never said it was okay, please stop telling me what I imply.
 
First answer if you know the difference between correlation and causation. Statistic 101. You're way out of your league. Go argue with someone that doesn't understand logic.

No no no, now you're dodging the question, because you know you're wrong.

I'll gladly accept that as you running away. Don't worry, I will continue to keep stats on this throughout the season and remind you of it. 1-8 when being scored against first. A "coincidence" :D
 
No no no, now you're dodging the question, because you know you're wrong.

I'm dodging the question because I know what your next move will be.

You: Did we score the first goal?

Me: No

You: Did they win the game?

Me: No

You: See! PROOF!!!

If you want to play this game:

If I go to 10 Rangers games and they're 8-2, do they win because I went to those games? I mean, 2 events happened they MUST be related!
 
I don't think this game was a very good example of the "score first and you win" stat. It's not like we were chasing after the 1st goal.

This, this because the game was close and our guys came close so much times but were stopped all those times. Bad goals happened to Hank.
 
No no no, now you're dodging the question, because you know you're wrong.

I'll gladly accept that as you running away. Don't worry, I will continue to keep stats on this throughout the season and remind you of it. 1-8 when being scored against first. A "coincidence" :D

:help: All 9 of those games aren't coincidence, it was a coincidence today. You're coming to a conclusion that because they were 1-7 coming into this game in games where they didn't score first that their loss today had to do with them not scoring first. I said, today it had nothing to do with it. Over the course of the season, usually it does. Not today. :help:
 
I'm dodging the question because I know what your next move will be.

You: Did we score the first goal?

Me: No

You: Did they win the game?

Me: No

You: See! PROOF!!!

If you want to play this game:

If I go to 10 Rangers games and they're 8-2, do they win because I went to those games? I mean, 2 events happened they MUST be related!

So you agree with me? That was pretty easy, now wasn't it?
When that stops happening with alarming frequency we can talk, until then - I'm right, will continue to be right, and even your weak ass "attending rangers games" thing you keep bringing up isn't going to do anything to disprove my cold, hard GAME RELATED facts. You're talking about superstition.
 
:help: All 9 of those games aren't coincidence, it was a coincidence today. You're coming to a conclusion that because they were 1-7 coming into this game in games where they didn't score first that their loss today had to do with them not scoring first. I said, today it had nothing to do with it. Over the course of the season, usually it does. Not today. :help:

How about over the course of MANY seasons? Because that's the way it is. This isn't something new to the Rangers, like I've been saying. It happens literally EVERY year.
 
We're 8-1 when scoring 1st this year. The Rangers have been amongst the best in that stat for years. Just like our stat about leading after 2 periods. This things continue to be prevalent.

Not really when:

1) They Lost
2) We have 1 win when being scored against 1st
3) The Stats from previous years

When they get scored against first and win on a regular basis, I'll be wrong. But right now, I'm completely right.

The flaw in your argument is "regular basis", scoring first doesn't guarantee a win, it gives you better odds to win the game.
You make it sound like scoring the first goal "guarantees" a win, it doesn't.
The team that scores first doesn't have to spend the same energy to tie the game as the trailing team. But in this case, the devils had a lead for 18 seconds.
Your argument would carry more weight if it was about the second goal against.
 
The flaw in your argument is "regular basis", scoring first doesn't guarantee a win, it gives you better odds to win the game.
You make it sound like scoring the first goal "guarantees" a win, it doesn't.
The team that scores first doesn't have to spend the same energy to tie the game as the trailing team. But in this case, the devils had a lead for 18 seconds.
Your argument would carry more weight if it was about the second goal against.

But they still lost, right?

People seem to love to dodge that question...
 

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