Proposal: Devils - Oilers

[ManofSteel55]

No thanks. Any chance of a deal involving Blackwood?

 

[HBK27]

No thanks. Any chance of a deal involving Blackwood?

Not sure why Edmonton would be interested in Blackwood considering he may not return this season and they're very much a win-now team.

Devils also can't really afford to deal him without finding a suitable replacement.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Not sure why Edmonton would be interested in Blackwood considering he may not return this season and they're very much a win-now team.

Devils also can't really afford to deal him without finding a suitable replacement.

Edmonton needs a guy for the future in net as much as they need a guy to ride the year out with. I agree though, a trade for any injured goalie is unlikely.

 

[Zippy316]

That would be a hard no then gents, or ladies.
I wouldn't have done the deal with Holloway in it even if Severson had reliable shutdown abilities but was just curious to see if he improved on those brain farts since I watched him more regularly a few years ago.

It's funny though, Ceci had these exact same issues and he's been great this season at a similar stage of development that Severson is at so maybe he can improve defensively but not willing to sacrifice Holloway to risk it.

I also want to add that I feel Ryan McLeod is being undervalued in this thread. The numbers aren't there yet but he has the looks of a player ripe for a breakout. Not a top line guy or anything like that but a solid two way middle 6 guy (center or wing) with blazing speed at minimum.

I don’t think McLeod is being undervalued as much as he’s just completely redundant on this current Devils roster.

We already have Hischier- Hughes up the middle. Then Mercer or Boqvist behind him and McLeod on the fourth line. Adding another young center as one of the main pieces for Severson at 50% (which should be an extremely valuable asset) makes no sense for the Devils. Our needs are elsewhere and on top of that, moving Severson opens up a glaring hole on defense.

 

[Eggtimer]

Wow things change quickly . I thought Oilers fans wanted to get rid of Koskinen in a massive way. Now its dump Smith and Koskinen is the man ????
OK ... then switch Koskinen out and trow in a different cap dump.
What woud it take then to get Jesse and McLeod ? Or are they simply off limits?
Oiler fans are weird. You have the two best players in the world and a cup window only so long and you dont want to trade a 4th line player or a goalie that just a week or so ago you wanted to run out of town ?? I dont get it

 

[TFHockey]

Wow things change quickly . I thought Oilers fans wanted to get rid of Koskinen in a massive way. Now its dump Smith and Koskinen is the man ????
OK ... then switch Koskinen out and trow in a different cap dump.
What woud it take then to get Jesse and McLeod ? Or are they simply off limits?
Oiler fans are weird. You have the two best players in the world and a cup window only so long and you dont want to trade a 4th line player or a goalie that just a week or so ago you wanted to run out of town ?? I dont get it

Well they don't want to deal Puljujarvi, that hasn't changed at all. McLeod has been a swiss army knife in the line up, playing everywhere and looking good doing it. Koskinen is hot right now and Smith is playing poorly so Oiler fans don't know what to do with either of them. Neither is a long term solution between the pipes for this team.

Most Oiler fans agree the team needs an upgrade on defense and in goal. A legit 1A starter would be best if such a thing could be found. A mid pairing LHD and maybe even a RHD would also really, really help.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Wow things change quickly . I thought Oilers fans wanted to get rid of Koskinen in a massive way. Now its dump Smith and Koskinen is the man ????
OK ... then switch Koskinen out and trow in a different cap dump.
What woud it take then to get Jesse and McLeod ? Or are they simply off limits?
Oiler fans are weird. You have the two best players in the world and a cup window only so long and you dont want to trade a 4th line player or a goalie that just a week or so ago you wanted to run out of town ?? I dont get it

Well, there's a few things.

Since the coaching change, Ryan McLeod has been the 7th most used forward by average icetime. Jay Woodcroft really trusts him, he's very reliable defensively, skates well, does all the little things you want a forward to do. He's not a 4th liner.

Since Jan 1, Koskinen is 7-2-2 with a .909. Since the coaching change, he's 3-0 with a .936. He's the better goalie than Smith by a long shot. Koskinen's problem is consistency and mental focus, (and being overpaid) not ability.

You mention cap savings, but it looks to me that after we called up another forward to replace McLeod and Skinner to replace Koskinen, the actual cap savings of such a deal would be less than a million bucks, and we've weakened our goaltending with no real way to fix it after that.

Losing Puljujarvi and McLeod creates more problems than Zacha and Severson would solve, and losing Koskinen makes us worse.

It's exactly because we have a limited Cup window that we don't want to be trading young contributing players for no particular reason. Not being good on both sides of the puck means Zacha doesn't do a lot for us, and from what I've seen Devils fans saying about Severson, he's more like the good version of Tyson Barrie than someone that's going to help us win playoff games.

Puljujarvi and McLeod are important pieces for us now and going forward, and honestly Puljujarvi's production drying up a bit might be a mixed blessing since he needs a new contract and if he was still at the 30 goal, 60 point pace he started the year at, we might not have been able to afford him.

Ultimately I think the pieces we'd want are pieces you don't want to move. Graves would be a good fit but with the LD we have coming up in the minors I'm really not sure I'd move JP for him.

Here's a mock resulting lineup from your trade.

Kane-McDavid-Yamamoto
Hyman-Draisaitl-Foegele
Zacha-RNH-Kassian
Benson-Ryan-Sceviour

Nurse-Bouchard
Keith-Severson
Lagesson-Ceci
Barrie

Smith
Skinner

That doesn't look to me like a team that's much better than the one before the trade, honestly.

 

[AfroThunder396]

No thanks. Any chance of a deal involving Blackwood?

Devils are going to have to make a decision on Blackwood soon but it's really, really hard to evaluate him right now. He is currently out with a recurring heel injury that's been bothering him for over a year and there's no timetable for his return.

So a Blackwood deal is possible but the return has to include an NHL goaltender who can step in and start for the Devils right now (no we don't want Mike Smith).

 

[McBooya42]

I don't think Holland will deal Puljujarvi unless he asks for the moon in the off season during contract negotiations. The Oilers are thin on the right side and Puljujarvi is the best option there, and Holland worked hard to get J.P. back into the fold. So I really doubt he goes.

McLeod is a guy they drafted late, developed well and is finally showing results. He can move up and down the line up, playing every forward position asked of him. Woodcroft loves him.

I'd rather the Oilers move their 1st, Bourgault maybe a prospect like Samorukov and some cap to make this work. Right now Puljujarvi and McLeod seem to be part of the solution in Edmonton and contributing right now, not later like Bourgault or a 1st will.

Severson is a great asset, even better at 50%.

Yeah JP is not going anywhere I don't think. He's been good and is very much a fan favorite. McLeod also is turning out to be a gem - very fast skater, showing some flashes of good skill, and excellent on the PK . He can play 3rd C or 1st LW no problem at all. Both will be part of the club moving forward for a while I think.

 

[McBooya42]

Wow things change quickly . I thought Oilers fans wanted to get rid of Koskinen in a massive way. Now its dump Smith and Koskinen is the man ????
OK ... then switch Koskinen out and trow in a different cap dump.
What woud it take then to get Jesse and McLeod ? Or are they simply off limits?
Oiler fans are weird. You have the two best players in the world and a cup window only so long and you dont want to trade a 4th line player or a goalie that just a week or so ago you wanted to run out of town ?? I dont get it

Koskinen has been lights out since Woodcroft and Manson came in. The system change has been good for him...not so much for Smith.

 

[McAsuno]

How on earth is this beneficial for the Oilers

 

[thadd]

Why didn't I think of this sooner?
Of course trading young assets away for a d-man with 1 year remaining on his contract is going to solve our long term goaltending issues.

 

[zar]

The thing that many posters don’t consider is is the Oilers have historically had a very hard time signing their own UFAs. Team success is one reason for this but geographical location is a much more significant factor.

 

[HBK27]

The thing that many posters don’t consider is is the Oilers have historically had a very hard time signing their own UFAs. Team success is one reason for this but geographical location is a much more significant factor.

Fair point as well, though I wonder if Severson being from Saskatchewan might make him more likely to re-sign there if he were traded to Edmonton (which I think is a very long-shot at best)?

 

[bucks_oil]

Wow things change quickly . I thought Oilers fans wanted to get rid of Koskinen in a massive way. Now its dump Smith and Koskinen is the man ????
OK ... then switch Koskinen out and trow in a different cap dump.
What woud it take then to get Jesse and McLeod ? Or are they simply off limits?
Oiler fans are weird. You have the two best players in the world and a cup window only so long and you dont want to trade a 4th line player or a goalie that just a week or so ago you wanted to run out of town ?? I dont get it

Koskinen is actually winning and you don't have a goalie coming back in this deal. While overpaid for the rest of this season, Koskinen is entirely off the books this summer, so the pain ends and we can do something about upgrading our goaltending.

Severson at 50% is certainly valuable, but if we're upgrading our RD, he'd be coming in and Barrie would need to go out, since the play a similar, puck-moving, questionable defensively role.

As for Pulju for Zacha... I see that as a big downgrade in terms of potential, the style of game they play, and Edmonton doesn't need another Center... they need RW, which is what Pulju is.

Not commenting on the value here, but I just don't see how it serves any real need for us (unless it were upgrading Barrie to Severson @50%)

 

[KovalSNIPE]

Absolutely zero chance we move Severson at 50% without someone like Bouchard coming the other way.

We have no interest in future pieces anymore. We need long-term core players.

Bouchard
2022 1st
Foegele

Severson (cap retained)
Zacha

Seems like a lot? Maybe. But there is a big difference between the market and true value. With rumors of someone like Chiarot getting a 1st+ back, Severson is worth much much more. He's younger, better, and you will be getting 2 playoffs out of him which is valuable to GMs who are wary of dealing big for rentals (i.e. Coleman deal to TB).

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Absolutely zero chance we move Severson at 50% without someone like Bouchard coming the other way.

We have no interest in future pieces anymore. We need long-term core players.

Bouchard
2022 1st
Foegele

Severson (cap retained)
Zacha

Seems like a lot? Maybe. But there is a big difference between the market and true value. With rumors of someone like Chiarot getting a 1st+ back, Severson is worth much much more. He's younger, better, and you will be getting 2 playoffs out of him which is valuable to GMs who are wary of dealing big for rentals (i.e. Coleman deal to TB).

Absolutely zero chance we move Bouchard especially in a deal for someone that won’t be a long term piece. Full stop, not happening.

your comparable is Coleman, but Tampa didn’t give up anything even approaching Bouchard.

 

[Eggtimer]

Reason I thought Jesse would be remotely possible to move is if he played his way to a contract that the Oilers couldn’t afford. I didn’t realize he is essentially their best RW. I just remember hearing earlier in the season that it might be a concern for the Oilers moving forward amd he woild fill a massive need on the Devils plus fits the age and rebuild timeline for the Devils. Is there any RW prospects off the Devils that could work. I’m guessing not as the Oilers need someone NHL ready right now.

 

[LTIR]

Absolutely zero chance we move Severson at 50% without someone like Bouchard coming the other way.

We have no interest in future pieces anymore. We need long-term core players.

Bouchard
2022 1st
Foegele

Severson (cap retained)
Zacha

Seems like a lot? Maybe. But there is a big difference between the market and true value. With rumors of someone like Chiarot getting a 1st+ back, Severson is worth much much more. He's younger, better, and you will be getting 2 playoffs out of him which is valuable to GMs who are wary of dealing big for rentals (i.e. Coleman deal to TB).

The 1st 2022 is coming from the wrong team here.

Keep your Severson and Zacha

 

[LTIR]

Reason I thought Jesse would be remotely possible to move is if he played his way to a contract that the Oilers couldn’t afford. I didn’t realize he is essentially their best RW. I just remember hearing earlier in the season that it might be a concern for the Oilers moving forward amd he woild fill a massive need on the Devils plus fits the age and rebuild timeline for the Devils. Is there any RW prospects off the Devils that could work. I’m guessing not as the Oilers need someone NHL ready right now.

Puljujarvi could be available if the return is a cheap top4 Dman or a legit starting goalie.
Oilers have plenty secondary scorers and depth Dmen in the system so guys like Zacha are not as valuable.

 

[Eggtimer]

Puljujarvi could be available if the return is a cheap top4 Dman or a legit starting goalie.
Oilers have plenty secondary scorers and depth Dmen in the system so guys like Zacha are not as valuable.

NHL ready D or prospects considered?
I’d offer Ty Smith but he has been terrible this year to be honest. His season last year was very good and shows he has promise. He was hurt to start the year and has never really caught up since then. Understandable if not wanting him. After Ty Smith I’d offer Graves if Severson is not wanted. Seigenthaler has played himself into a core piece for the Devils . His defensive play has been very underrated. So Smith Severson Graves or propspects like Bahl Okhotyuk Walsh are all we really have to offer on D and zero NHL ready goalies at all. Forwards are all low end middle 6 guys. Johnson Tatar Kuokkanen Zacha Boqvist with some good prospects in Foote Clarke Zetterlund . Guys like Holtz Gritsyuk off limits.
Do y see a fit here after hearing Oilers fans take on Jesse .

 

[LTIR]

NHL ready D or prospects considered?
I’d offer Ty Smith but he has been terrible this year to be honest. His season last year was very good and shows he has promise. He was hurt to start the year and has never really caught up since then. Understandable if not wanting him. After Ty Smith I’d offer Graves if Severson is not wanted. Seigenthaler has played himself into a core piece for the Devils . His defensive play has been very underrated. So Smith Severson Graves or propspects like Bahl Okhotyuk Walsh are all we really have to offer on D and zero NHL ready goalies at all. Forwards are all low end middle 6 guys. Johnson Tatar Kuokkanen Zacha Boqvist with some good prospects in Foote Clarke Zetterlund . Guys like Holtz Gritsyuk off limits.
Do y see a fit here after hearing Oilers fans take on Jesse .

Oilers are in similar situation at LD with Broberg, Samroukov and Nemolainen knocking on the door with Nurse, Keith, Lagesson and Russell already there. Ty Smith wouldn't cut it.

Oilers adding Graves would be good for this playoffs run for sure and maybe extended once Keith moves on but doubt that he can fetch Pulju by himself.

 

[Forge]

The 1st 2022 is coming from the wrong team here.

Keep your Severson and Zacha

If severson gets dealt this TDL, people are really going to be surprised by how much he gets in return, I think.

 

[TFHockey]

If severson gets dealt this TDL, people are really going to be surprised by how much he gets in return, I think.

I like Severson but I don't think the Oilers are going to pay what fans on here are demanding.

 

[LTIR]

If severson gets dealt this TDL, people are really going to be surprised by how much he gets in return, I think.

There are plenty of Dmen available this deadline for a GM to not sell the farm on a player like Severson. Chychrun is likely the only Dman with term moving at deadline unless it's a cap dump.. There are close to 12/13 confirmed seller GMs already with still 30 games to go