Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part III

[New Jerseys Devil]

What is the marker for Allen's games played to bump the draft pick up that we gave them? And with enough cushion to end the year we could just start Daws or Markstrom a few extra games no?

 

[onmygameboi]

Now divide that by 2…

I believe you but do you have a source?

The trade would double our cap space. I say go for it.

 

[dgibb10]

What is the marker for Allen's games played to bump the draft pick up that we gave them? And with enough cushion to end the year we could just start Daws or Markstrom a few extra games no?

Allen has to play in 18 of our remaining 23 games for the pick to convey

 

[Guttersniped]

Montreal retained half of Allen’s contract.

And we aren’t trading him.

 

[tailfins]

I believe you but do you have a source?

Jake Allen Trade Salary Retention

For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'Jake allen trade salary retention' themselves.

letmegooglethat.com

 

[Clam Jensen]

I believe you but do you have a source?

The trade would double our cap space. I say go for it.

“I’ve been caught with my pants around my ankles but damned if I’m not going down swinging”

 

[Guttersniped]

I believe you but do you have a source?

The trade would double our cap space. I say go for it.

One source is literally the same place you got your screen shots from.

This is on the bottom of the same page.

 

[The Wumpus]

I believe you but do you have a source?

You're literally on the internet right now

sorry pet peeve

 

[onmygameboi]

Montreal retained half of Allen’s contract.

And we aren’t trading him.

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Why wouldn't we trade him. It's cap space sitting there for the rest of the season unless someone gets hurt.

I rather roll the dice with Daws, trade Allen, and use the cap space at the deadline.

 

[Devils731]

Why wouldn't we trade him. It's cap space sitting there for the rest of the season unless someone gets hurt.

I rather roll the dice with Daws, trade Allen, and use the cap space at the deadline.

If you trade Allen and Markstrom gets hurt then your tandem in the playoffs is Daws and Poulter.

Maybe that works but I think the Devils will happily spend the $1 million in cap space to make sure they have a veteran goalie even if one gets hurt.

 

[NJDevs26]

You’re saving at most a $1 million or so difference between Allen’s contract after retention (which you conveniently ignore) and Daws’ NHL deal, that’s basically fourth line money and likely just get back the pick you traded for him to begin with, maybe a two if you get lucky.

And I like Daws and am glad he’s had a bit of a redemption arc this year after getting unfairly thrown to the wolves twice, but it IS only two games against the dregs of the league and he’s had strong debuts before. Still, I’d trust the guy who has shown he can step in as a #1 in an emergency over a guy who hasn’t yet.

 

[Guttersniped]

Why wouldn't we trade him. It's cap space sitting there for the rest of the season unless someone gets hurt.

I rather roll the dice with Daws, trade Allen, and use the cap space at the deadline.

The team won’t want to roll those dice, particularly since Markstrom isn’t even back yet.

 

[Bad Goalie]

Mr Erycap will not approve. First name Sal.

We can all dream though.

Besides it would probably have to be Nemec, Mercer and a 26 1st. At minimum.

If Fitz could get Quinn for that, I'd drive to Vancouver just to help him pack!!!!!!!!!

Sign Kovy and work from there. Quinn moves the Devils into a very serious Cup contender.

Possibly looks like this:
Quinn/Kovy
Siegenthaler/Dougie
Luke/Pesce
Not too much of a dream list!

And with these 3 in the wings -
Dillon (34, Devils) Now becomes #7.
Casey (21, rookie - (Devils/Comets) could play in either locale)
Silayev (18, KHL) - Projected to probably be here next year.

Silayev/Casey 1/2 cooking in Utica to begin next season?

Still in the system with the AHL Comets.
Misyul (24)
Vilen (21)
Hatakka (24)

Utica would look like:
Silayev/Casey
Misyul/White
Vilen/Hatakka

Still in the system, being followed, but haven't been signed.
Ethan Edwards (22, 3rd year NCAA Michigan)
Charlie Leddy (21, 3rd year NCAA Boston College)
Daniil Karpovich (20, VHL with a visit to both the KHL and MHL this season)

There area few other outliers, but I'll let them lie for now.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Why wouldn't we trade him. It's cap space sitting there for the rest of the season unless someone gets hurt.

I rather roll the dice with Daws, trade Allen, and use the cap space at the deadline.

Allen is a more efficient use of cap space than whatever player we could add for whatever minuscule savings we’d get from trading him. Goalie depth is very important, especially when your starter is 35 and currently injured.

 

[devsfan8]

If Fitz could get Quinn for that, I'd drive to Vancouver just to help him pack!!!!!!!!!

Sign Kovy and work from there. Quinn moves the Devils into a very serious Cup contender.

Possibly looks like this:
Quinn/Kovy
Siegenthaler/Dougie
Luke/Pesce
Not too much of a dream list!

And with these 3 in the wings -
Dillon (34, Devils) Now becomes #7.
Casey (21, rookie - (Devils/Comets) could play in either locale)
Silayev (18, KHL) - Projected to probably be here next year.

Silayev/Casey 1/2 cooking in Utica to begin next season?

Still in the system with the AHL Comets.
Misyul (24)
Vilen (21)
Hatakka (24)

Utica would look like:
Silayev/Casey
Misyul/White
Vilen/Hatakka

Still in the system, being followed, but haven't been signed.
Ethan Edwards (22, 3rd year NCAA Michigan)
Charlie Leddy (21, 3rd year NCAA Boston College)
Daniil Karpovich (20, VHL with a visit to both the KHL and MHL this season)

There area few other outliers, but I'll let them lie for now.

I do not think any Devils fan would dispute how next level Quinn would make us. This would be a trade in the offseason though. No chance that happens during the season.

 

[Bad Goalie]

And the problem has been the lack of scoring up front. That was also a problem in Mary's last few starts as well.

 

[Better Call Sal]

There is no need to trade Allen, it's not a notion even worth discussing.

 

[Bad Goalie]

I do not think any Devils fan would dispute how next level Quinn would make us. Thos would be a trade kn the offseason though. No chance that happens during the season.

I don't care when. That deal is well worth it.

As said it's a dream. I don't expect to see it.

 

[onmygameboi]

You're literally on the internet right now

sorry pet peeve

Allen is a more efficient use of cap space than whatever player we could add for whatever minuscule savings we’d get from trading him. Goalie depth is very important, especially when your starter is 35 and currently injured.

You're missing the point.

 

[NJDevs26]

You don't think Fitz took into account cap space 'just sitting there' when he traded for Allen? He didn't do it just to get him to play meaningless games last year and regular season games in the first two thirds of this season.

They're paying basically $6 million total for two veteran goalies since Markstrom's deal is also being retained on, that's not the area where you try to save even more money. You'd think a Devils fan who'd watched the team the last few years try and fail with goalie after goalie would get that.

 

[TheBeerNerd]

Speaking of $6 million, Wysh is clearly just throwing shit at a wall here. No chance Marchand leaves Boston and I don’t think Palat goes with that contract.

However… I have to admit, I’ve had stray thoughts of Marchand in a Devils uniform over the last couple days.

 

[NjDevsRR]

@Bleedred

 

[Billdo]

true but i'm def not going to take advice from you since your the same guy that tells me zacha wasn't a bust at 6 lol

middle 6 is the political term thrown around here but hes really just a 3rd liner with fringe top 6 potential in limited times. lets not forget i did say lesser extent mercer but thats lost in all this.

The term bust is subjective and that's the problem. The guy has carved out an NHL career. Has it lived up to the expectations attached to a top 10 pick when he is surrounded by draft picks with better numbers? No of course not. Is that a bust? Also no IMO. Busts are Yakupov, Scott Glennie, Filatov, etc.

 

[Nico Hischier]

Any guesses on which goalie starts tomorrow?

Allen had his own net in practice today while daws shared with markstrom

Daws coming off a shutout

 

[NJDevs26]

The term bust is subjective and that's the problem. The guy has carved out an NHL career. Has it lived up to the expectations attached to a top 10 pick when he is surrounded by draft picks with better numbers? No of course not. Is that a bust? Also no IMO. Busts are Yakupov, Scott Glennie, Filatov, etc.

Yeah and JrFischer's definition of a bust is MUCH more unrealistic than most...to him if you're not a star player in the top ten or top six player after that then you're a bust. It's a bit more nuanced than that, and guys don't really hit at that high a rate.

In the case of Zacha, sure you would have liked a better player at that spot but #6 overall the previous three years were Jake Virtanen, Sean Monahan and Hampus Lindholm. The three years after were Matt Thachuk, Cody Glass and Filip Zadina. Zacha's objectively better than three of those guys (Glass, Zadina and Virtanen) and Thachuk was the only real star among them. Monahan had a very short peak, but he'd be the second ranked player among those seven.