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Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part III

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SteveCangialosi123 said:
Timo Meier’s highest scoring season, by goals, was 2022. 1.83 points per 60 that full season at even strength. He had other years with higher points per 60. He’s missing a couple goals at 5 on 5, but beyond that, it’s mainly the lack of PP production that makes him look different. The year we traded for him he had 13 PP goals vs 3 this year. 18 even strength vs 12 this year (57 games vs 52).
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Where are you getting these numbers?

I'm seeing 2.76 pts/60 at ES in 21-22. In 18-19 he put up 2.89. This year he's at 2.06.

 
Dog someone get this team an actual beat "reporter"

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SteveCangialosi123 said:
5 on 5 is the category I’m using on that website. I assume even strength includes 4 on 4, 3 on 3?
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Then the 21-22 rate is 2.71, and 2.58 in 18-19. 1.84 this year.

The bigger 5v5 issue this year though is his goal rate is .69 per 60 which is a career low aside from 30 something games as a rookie. He was typically above 1 in SJ including 1.21 in 18-19.

5v5 shot rate is also a career low.
 
devilsblood said:
Then the 21-22 rate is 2.71, and 2.58 in 18-19. 1.84 this year.

The bigger 5v5 issue this year though is his goal rate is .69 per 60 which is a career low aside from 30 something games as a rookie. He was typically above 1 in SJ including 1.21 in 18-19.

5v5 shot rate is also a career low.
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He’s missing a bunch of goals at 5 on 5 this year based on his chance creation. I don’t think there would be much of an observable difference in his play other than it just not going in. And I guess it’s expected to have fewer individual chances and shots when you’re not the clear number 1 option on a horrible team.
 
SteveCangialosi123 said:
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He’s missing a bunch of goals at 5 on 5 this year based on his chance creation. I don’t think there would be much of an observable difference in his play other than it just not going in. And I guess it’s expected to have fewer individual chances and shots when you’re not the clear number 1 option on a horrible team.
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Not finishing is a big part of the problem though. And though he was not typically this bad, finishing was never a strength. His 5v5 shooting % is actually better this year then his last 2 seasons in SJ. He just got a bunch more shots on net in those years.........though he is getting nearly as many shots off this year. So missing the net more, and not burying them when he does get them on net.


Should be noted SJ was good in 18-19.
 
devilsblood said:
Not finishing is a big part of the problem though. And though he was not typically this bad, finishing was never a strength. His 5v5 shooting % is actually better this year then his last 2 seasons in SJ. He just got a bunch more shots on net in those years.........though he is getting nearly as many shots off this year. So missing the net more, and not burying them when he does get them on net.


Should be noted SJ was good in 18-19.
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His production that year is about what we should expect from him. Hopefully he can get close to that if he finishes the year anything like last year (17 goals in the final 23 games).
 
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@dgibb10

Why exactly do you want Spencer Knight?

Because he was a hot prospect 3-6 years ago?

I noticed your proposal the other day but forgot to comment on it then.

I remember other Spencer Knight proposals floating around this year, but can’t remember if those were also posted by yourself or someone else.
 
I'm gonna keep my mouth shut about Fitz right now.
Maybe I'm being a daft optimistic idiot, and maybe the NTC are screwing things up but those who are saying we don't have anyone to trade with to get us a decent return, you sound like Dallas Mavs or Laker fans prior to last night, different league or not. Be careful.
 
I have no issue with Fitz right now. Maybe in a year or so if we just don’t address anything but the contract situation is good longterm (Palat / Dougie are movable), and the D pipeline is pretty stacked.

He’s made the right moves when needed. Moving on from Graves / Severson when they got horrible deals elsewhere is a nice bonus.
 
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That’s a weird reference to make considering only one team was given the chance to trade for Luka, so you want us to be the ones to get ripped off just to ‘do something’ or you expect a deal to fall in our laps because of Fitz’s powers of persuasion?

There are real reasons to criticize Fitz but inventing a flawed narrative doesn’t help
 
I am pissed that Fitz hasn’t done anything to address the lack of C / forward depth but he can’t really do anything because we have no cap room and only players we should get rid of to make cap room , we can’t because they have NMC ‘s .
So we are basically screwed . Which is still Fritz’s fault for handing out the NMC’s in the first place.
I am so pissed right now about the Rags adding Miller . I don’t want to hear any more stupid bullshit about anyone saying “ I’m glad we didn’t get him ! He is a cancer in the room ! He is going to decline soon enough ! His contract is bad ! “
The guy is a 100 point C that can play a gritty / complete game / win face offs / makes everyone on the ice with him better .
Ya … yuck … who wants that … let’s rock out with Dowling as our 2C . Let’s just hope we magically start to not suck and think our “ system “ will keep our heads above water until Nico / Markstrom / Haula etc are back .
What happens if anyone else gets hurt ? What happens if Jack or Bratt or Meier gets hurt ? Just keep on plugging the same old scrubs into the lineup and hope that we don’t miss a step ?
Sorry I am flipping out here but it’s frustrating seeing teams getting better while we are sucking and do nothing about it .
 
Just like Fitz and the organization shouldn’t take a victory lap mid-season, I don’t think it is fair right now to condemn him mid-season. They the full story play out and make a more informed opinion at the end of the year.
 
jkrdevil said:
Just like Fitz and the organization shouldn’t take a victory lap mid-season, I don’t think it is fair right now to condemn him mid-season. They the full story play out and make a more informed opinion at the end of the year.
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Thing is , it might be too late then. We piss away an entire year of Jack / Bratt bargain contact years . We have a finite window to compete while we have our core locked up under good contracts.
 
The discourse here today after an admittedly bad game is kind of insane. Yeah a pretty terrible month long stretch but you’d think we’re Pittsburgh or something. We just won 3 of our last 4.

Core is good, and here longterm cheap. A Nico injury exacerbates so many things because he’s integral to every phase of the game. We need C depth regardless and I think it’ll get addressed.

They’re playing like shit right now but holy god some of y’all need to take it down a notch. We know what high end play looks like from this group, for sustained stretches too.
 
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