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Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part III

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devilsblood said:
Well Mercer's 4 years(and it's not yet a full 4 years) definitely don't show a defined trend in terms of points as the trended upward from year 1 to year 2, and then down ward the last 2 years

But his usage is absolutely trending defensively. I assume Keefe believes he is performing well defensively as he is using him as such.

Similarly Nico's point rates trended downward from 1 year through year 4. But again, so early in his career it didn't mean much. And he, like Mercer, also carried a heavier and heavier defensive burden during that time.

And then he broke out offensively in year 5.

Hopefully we see something similar for Mercer.
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It's not just about points. His level of play the past year and a half has been poor.

Just because his usage percentage is up doesn't mean his performance has been good. It's also not like the Devils have a ton of defensive minded forwards that are worthy of high defensive usage, the Devils have started using Jack and Bratt on the PK, after Hischier there's not an obvious forward to use in defensive situations.

Hischier's points had a downward trend due to injury, He also went from playing with Hall during his Hart trophy season to 3 straight seasons where the Devils leading scorers put up 50, 45 and 35 points in 3 straight seasons. His play was clearly still high end but his teammates and overall help declined around him. Mercer doesn't have that excuse, he's got to play a ton of minutes next to players like Hischier, Hughes, Bratt, Meier, etc... and has been unable to perform despite having teammates that can drive play at a high level and allow him to play a simpler role that in theory should suit his skillset.
 
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bossram said:
In other posts with @devilsblood I actually discussed all those things.

But your primary criticism with Timo is just a lack of pointzzz. This is why you said he's a disappointment. It's not inaccurate at all to say you're the one judging him by one number.

I don't think anyone on this board believes he is "supposed" be the Devils best player. That's an unrealistic expectation and a weird standard.
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Cmon man. You and @SteveCangialosi123 with putting words in my mouth. Never did I ever say pointzzzz is the thing. Never did I ever say goalies don't matter.

And let's be honest: @devilsblood just pointed all those things out, you didn't suggest it or discuss it. Your contribution was a quiz with one stat.

You two need to actually stop making stuff up.


devilsblood said:
Meier to Mercer!! how Apropos given the discussions above.

Hopefully a sign of things to come.
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Actually Dowling is the whole reason, lol
 
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Honestly ridiculous that Kovalchuk got snubbed but it is what it is
 
Forge said:
Vejmelka maybe? Utah seems like a team that will be selling at the deadline.
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I would honestly love this, and I would try to sign him

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Honestly ridiculous that Kovalchuk got snubbed but it is what it is
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Langenbrunner?! lmao
 
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Lou Bloom said:
It's not just about points. His level of play the past year and a half has been poor.

Just because his usage percentage is up doesn't mean his performance has been good. It's also not like the Devils have a ton of defensive minded forwards that are worthy of high defensive usage, the Devils have started using Jack and Bratt on the PK, after Hischier there's not an obvious forward to use in defensive situations.

Hischier's points had a downward trend due to injury, He also went from playing with Hall during his Hart trophy season to 3 straight seasons where the Devils leading scorers put up 50, 45 and 35 points in 3 straight seasons. His play was clearly still high end but his teammates and overall help declined around him. Mercer doesn't have that excuse, he's got to play a ton of minutes next to players like Hischier, Hughes, Bratt, Meier, etc... and has been unable to perform despite having teammates that can drive play at a high level and allow him to play a simpler role that in theory should suit his skillset.
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Your opinion is likely clouded by the fact that he is not playing easy minutes any more.

I've actually liked how he has looked this year. Using his skating, good energy. Good defensive metrics despite the more difficult assignments.

His overall on ice numbers are good this year.
 
devilsblood said:
Your opinion is likely clouded by the fact that he is not playing easy minutes any more.

I've actually liked how he has looked this year. Using his skating, good energy. Good defensive metrics despite the more difficult assignments.

His overall on ice numbers are good this year.
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Plenty of players play tough minutes and look good doing so. And it's not like Mercer is just being put on a pure defensive line with little opportunity, his entire career he's been given plenty of opportunity in the top 6 with Hughes, Bratt, Nico and Meier and has not been able to cement himself in those roles.

I'd disagree, he looked good the first 10 or so games of the season and then was extremely poor the next 30+ games and finally rebounded with a very good game today. I also don't think his skating is a strength and don't buy the defensive metrics over half a season, especially when his defensive metrics were pretty poor the first three seasons and match with what I've seen from him more accurately.
 
Lou Bloom said:
Plenty of players play tough minutes and look good doing so. And it's not like Mercer is just being put on a pure defensive line with little opportunity, his entire career he's been given plenty of opportunity in the top 6 with Hughes, Bratt, Nico and Meier and has not been able to cement himself in those roles.

I'd disagree, he looked good the first 10 or so games of the season and then was extremely poor the next 30+ games and finally rebounded with a very good game today. I also don't think his skating is a strength and don't buy the defensive metrics over half a season, especially when his defensive metrics were pretty poor the first three seasons and match with what I've seen from him more accurately.
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You twist a lot of numbers so you can not like Mercer.

I mean if you don't want to buy the defensive metrics what more can we do?
 
devilsblood said:
You twist a lot of numbers so you can not like Mercer.

I mean if you don't want to buy the defensive metrics what more can we do?
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Watch the games and come to a conclusion about their defensive play vs blindly believing metrics over a half season? Especially when said player had poor defensive metrics for most of his career vs the half season sample size we currently have. And I'm not even claiming that Mercer is a bad defender, I just think he's middling, which when he isn't bringing much in the way of offense or play driving is not good enough.
 
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