Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part III

[BostonDevil]

If he comes at a "distressed asset" price, I think the Devils should be interested.

I think it would be hard to come to an agreement on a fair trade though.

I don't know what the asking price is now but it can't be more than it was last year at this time when the rumors where floating around. He's certainly not worth more today.

Just to be clear, I don't know how interested I would even be in picking him up but just throwing it out as an option outside the names we keep hearing.

 

[njdevils1982]

Swiss sitting out is a national pastime.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I’m not even sure what Zegras is good at anymore. His skating isn’t very good, he’s very weak, not good defensively, he’s lost his finishing, he’s probably not even a center. Stick handling will only take you so far.

 

[My3Sons]

I’m not even sure what Zegras is good at anymore. His skating isn’t very good, he’s very weak, not good defensively, he’s lost his finishing, he’s probably not even a center. Stick handling will only take you so far.

He's sort of young to have lost all his ability. Has he been that injured for that long he's broken now?

 

[Bleedred]

I’m not even sure what Zegras is good at anymore. His skating isn’t very good, he’s very weak, not good defensively, he’s lost his finishing, he’s probably not even a center. Stick handling will only take you so far.

You're telling me that he's not nearly as good as Jack Hughes? Really?

 

[JrFischer54]

if an potential expansion city has an nhl rink then they really should be playing regular season games on and off there to see how the support is before they actually move a team there.

 

[Killing Joke]

Ryan O'Reilly should be looked at, but Trotz is an idiot that prices people out of trades.

McTavish is who I'd look at over Zegras.

 

[BostonDevil]

He's sort of young to have lost all his ability. Has he been that injured for that long he's broken now?

Correct. Would he cost as much as Kakko? Is he washed like Laine has been over and over again?

I don't know any of this but depending the cost it makes more sense than moving someone of importance for 5 more years of Miller at his number, and age, just hoping he plays nice with the boys.

Yanni Gourde? I'd rather use a call-up.

Palms for the nostalgia hit like Tatar?

No. No. No.

McTavish is who I'd look at over Zegras.

Of course! You ain't getting him for the deep discount you might get on Zegras

 

[Killing Joke]

Correct. Would he cost as much as Kakko? Is he washed like Laine has been over and over again?

I don't know any of this but depending the cost it makes more sense than moving someone of importance for 5 more years of Miller at his number, and age, just hoping he plays nice with the boys.

Yanni Gourde? I'd rather use a call-up.

Palms for the nostalgia hit like Tatar?

No. No. No.

Of course! You ain't getting him for the deep discount you might get on Zegras

There is a reason Zegras will be a discount, he sucks.

McTavish also fits what Tom likes better. Skill but is a big boy that can play a bit nasty.

Gourde is also better than any call up we have, issue is his contract and he's injured and having a down year.

 

[onmygameboi]

I think the D on the Ducks is pretty set, so they wouldn't be interested in Nemec as far as I understand.

Which is fine with me, because I don't want to trade him.

 

[Clam Jensen]

I’m not even sure what Zegras is good at anymore. His skating isn’t very good, he’s very weak, not good defensively, he’s lost his finishing, he’s probably not even a center. Stick handling will only take you so far.

He’s like a “good” Rob Schremp

 

[BostonDevil]

There is a reason Zegras will be a discount, he sucks.

McTavish also fits what Tom likes better. Skill but is a big boy that can play a bit nasty.

Gourde is also better than any call up we have, issue is his contract and he's injured and having a down year.

He might suck and McTavish is way better all around but if your Anaheim, there's no reason to move him to NJ.

I'm talking about taking shot, for very little in return, on a guy who could come in here and find himself.

Gourde is a warm body.

You could possibly spend the same for either and I'd rather have the upside potential.

(I hate that you guys have my arguing FOR Zegras!)

 

[dgibb10]

He might suck and McTavish is way better all around but if your Anaheim, there's no reason to move him to NJ.

I'm talking about taking shot, for very little in return, on a guy who could come in here and find himself.

Gourde is a warm body.

You could possibly spend the same for either and I'd rather have the upside potential.

(I hate that you guys have my arguing FOR Zegras!)

Contending teams don't have the latitude to bring in 6 mill guys in hopes they can figure it out

 

[Guttersniped]

 

[BostonDevil]

Contending teams don't have the latitude to bring in 6 mill guys in hopes they can figure it out

It's 1 year, not 5.

 

[dgibb10]

It's 1 year, not 5.

Yes, and we plan to contend during that year.

 

[BostonDevil]

Yes, and we plan to contend during that year.

Contend like Vegas?

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

probably need to read the whole thread to get any idea of what this chart is saying but the basic gist is that Siegs-Kovy is VERY very good

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

This team's finishing is so mind numbingly confusing with the talent it is.

 

[guitarguyvic]

This team's finishing is so mind numbingly confusing with the talent it is.

Maybe they just aren't quite as talented as advertised?

The same people who harp on goaltending being an individual skill work overtime to make it seem like finishing scoring chances isn't.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Maybe they just aren't quite as talented as advertised?

The same people who harp on goaltending being an individual skill work overtime to make it seem like finishing scoring chances isn't.

Timo's shooting 3-4% below his career average, that's not just being talented as advertised, that's the definition of being snake bitten. Jack's 3% below from his 40 goal year. Then you add in the fact the bozos on this team are getting the quality looks somehow, it makes sense why they suck as a team finishing. The top end guys are snakebitten and you shouldn't expect Dowling/Tatar/Mercer to be your finishers on this roster.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Timo's shooting 3-4% below his career average, that's not just being talented as advertised, that's the definition of being snake bitten. Jack's 3% below from his 40 goal year. Then you add in the fact the bozos on this team are getting the quality looks somehow, it makes sense why they suck as a team finishing. The top end guys are snakebitten and you shouldn't expect Dowling/Tatar/Mercer to be your finishers on this roster.

I don't buy in to this snake bitten argument. I mean...do people use this type of language with goalies? "His save % is 3 points below his career average, he's just getting unlucky with the puck not hitting him". No...people say the goalie is having a bad year. Or at best the team in front of him is contributing to his poor play. But no one simply attributes it to bad luck.

These guys aren't getting it done. And you can see it even in things like shot selection and choices in the O-Zone. How many times do we need to see them pass up golden opportunities from the slot to pass it off to someone on the wing, for example?

We have no snipers on this team. Even if those guys get up to their usual shooting %, it's still average.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I don't buy in to this snake bitten argument. I mean...do people use this type of language with goalies? "His save % is 3 points below his career average, he's just getting unlucky with the puck not hitting him". No...people say the goalie is having a bad year. Or at best the team in front of him is contributing to his poor play. But no one simply attributes it to bad luck.

These guys aren't getting it done. And you can see it even in things like shot selection and choices in the O-Zone. How many times do we need to see them pass up golden opportunities from the slot to pass it off to someone on the wing, for example?

We have no snipers on this team. Even if those guys get up to their usual shooting %, it's still average.

That's not how that works, lmfao. And yes if people see a goalie is making saves (decent xGSA) and his team is letting him dry thus a dip in stats then people will defend him in that situation. Someone like Sam Montembault is a perfect example of that and our current goalie is a perfect example of that in front of a shitty Calgary team last year

 

[Triumph]

I don't buy in to this snake bitten argument. I mean...do people use this type of language with goalies? "His save % is 3 points below his career average, he's just getting unlucky with the puck not hitting him". No...people say the goalie is having a bad year. Or at best the team in front of him is contributing to his poor play. But no one simply attributes it to bad luck.

Huh, it's almost like a goalie faces far more shots on goal in a season than an individual player takes in a given year. That could be why.

These guys aren't getting it done. And you can see it even in things like shot selection and choices in the O-Zone. How many times do we need to see them pass up golden opportunities from the slot to pass it off to someone on the wing, for example?

This stuff is said by every fan about every team. Ask any fan about their team's shot selection, unless they're shooting the lights out, they're always passing too much.

We have no snipers on this team. Even if those guys get up to their usual shooting %, it's still average.

They don't have snipers but they have plenty of goal scoring and plenty of goal scoring ability.

 

[guitarguyvic]

That's not how that works, lmfao. And yes if people see a goalie is making saves (decent xGSA) and his team is letting him dry thus a dip in stats then people will defend him in that situation. Someone like Sam Montembault is a perfect example of that and our current goalie is a perfect example of that in front of a shitty Calgary team last year

What's not now that works? What is the difference between saying that a skater shooting below career average is just unlucky vs. a goaltender stopping shots below career average is just unlucky?

Yes people acknowledge that that poor defense from skaters in front of goalies contributes to their poor save % (although seemingly many posters here don't). That's akin to recognizing that a shooter's poor performance may be getting impacted by having crappy linemates. This doesn't detract from my point.