Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[K1984]

Way to miss the point, in typical Soundwave fashion.

You're crowing on about how "embarrassing" the Oilers management has been and how embarrassing the spending was on the goaltending yet they damn near won a Cup moneyballing the goaltending and are a top team again this season. For all the handwringing that you and others do, the Oilers have been an elite team the last two seasons. Winning the Cup is hard, the Oilers have had as good a chance as anybody last year and probably this year too.

Does it mean that I'm a big fan of them hitching their wagon to Skinner? No, but you act like it's an abject failure when it hasn't been.
I'd love for them to upgrade on Skinner somehow but I don't see that option out there and all of you that were crowing about how amazing Blackwood is after 25 games of good goaltending following 4 years of garbage goaltending deserve to have it thrown back at you now that he slumps after incessantly polluting these threads about how awesome and proactive Colorado's management is while Edmonton's management is a pile of garbage

Funny thing is $2.6M for a "middle of the road goalie" is actually well below market value for that performance in that position.

 

[McShogun99]

I mean the Panthers spent 10m on goaltending that was utter shit until the 2023 playoffs rolled around. And then the dam finally broke on Bobrovsky against Vegas.

The Panthers couldn't even give Bob away with 50% retention before the 2023 playoffs. He didn't even start for Florida in those playoffs until game 4 because Lyons was playing like garbage .

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The Panthers couldn't even give Bob away with 50% retention before the 2023 playoffs. He didn't even start for Florida in those playoffs until game 4 because Lyons was playing like garbage .

He was widely seen as one of the worst contracts in the league prior to those playoffs and even then Vegas beat him like a rented mule.

Hell we started scoring on him at will when we finally broke through.

 

[VeteranPresence]

The team came within a goal of winning the Cup with Stu. It doesn't matter whether or not you think he had any part of it, it's the reality of the situation.

Coming "within" anything doesn't really matter. That's just a fancy word of saying losing. The goal is not to lose, the goal is to win the Cup, so we need to reinforce the team where it is weakest. The numbers tell you that is in net. It's not debatable.

Again, our fanbase has this emotional attachment to Stu for reasons that make no sense. Is it because he's a local boy? Is it because Stauffer tells everyone he's the solution? I don't get it.

 

[K1984]

The Panthers couldn't even give Bob away with 50% retention before the 2023 playoffs. He didn't even start for Florida in those playoffs until game 4 because Lyons was playing like garbage .

And Lyon was the only reason they made the playoffs to begin with. He had to stand on his head down the stretch for them to just get in.

 

[Soundwave]

The Panthers couldn't even give Bob away with 50% retention before the 2023 playoffs. He didn't even start for Florida in those playoffs until game 4 because Lyons was playing like garbage .

Bob has always had game breaking talent for a goalie, we've known that. They won their Cup because of it and can live on easy street for the next 10 years as a result.

The talent level of a goalie and how high they can elevate their game when they are "on" is a big deal in the playoffs.

A goalie like that is always scary because they're always only a game away from getting into a groove that can last for a good long while. Those types of goalies also tend to grow the bigger the game is, whereas mediocre goalies tend to shrink.

 

[FiveFourteenSixOne]

He was really only great in game 1. Game 2 the Oilers were trash (and the one goal they did score was utterly terrible) and in game 3 they still scored on him three times. Games 4-6 he utterly cratered.

How many games did our goaltender win us in the SCF? I'd argue that Florida's won them at least 2 (could be argued 3).

Seems to me you have an ulterior motive in all of your goaltender related commentary. Skinner is never a problem, and can do no wrong, and every other goalie in the league is a piece of shit, according to you.

I am genuinely curious if you have some sort of relationship with or relation to Skinner. It's the only thing that makes sense.

 

[CupofOil]

Funny thing is $2.6M for a "middle of the road goalie" is actually well below market value for that performance in that position.

Yep lol, middle of the road starter is a 5-6m goalie nowadays although, granted, Skinner has performed like a below average goalie this season.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Coming "within" anything doesn't really matter. That's just a fancy word of saying losing. The goal is not to lose, the goal is to win the Cup, so we need to reinforce the team where it is weakest. The numbers tell you that is in net. It's not debatable.

Again, our fanbase has this emotional attachment to Stu for reasons that make no sense. Is it because he's a local boy? Is it because Stauffer tells everyone he's the solution? I don't get it.

It's because management has said he's their guy so there's no point getting all huffy about him.

Yeah we lost. We scored too few goals in 3 of the 4 games we lost. Hopefully they learn their lesson this year.

How many games did our goaltender win us in the SCF? I'd argue that Florida's won them at least 2 (could be argued 3).

Seems to me you have an ulterior motive in all of your goaltender related commentary. Skinner is never a problem, and can do no wrong, and every other goalie in the league is a piece of shit, according to you.

I am genuinely curious if you have some sort of relationship with or relation to Skinner. It's the only thing that makes sense.

Game 5 I would say he did. He also won us game 6 against Dallas to even get us to the Cup Final.

I'm trying to have a nuanced take about the team that isn't just "Skinner bad lulz". But your strawmen and assumptions have been taken under advisement.

 

[K1984]

Yep lol, middle of the road starter is a 5-6m goalie nowadays although, granted, Skinner has performed like a below average goalie *for the first month of* this season.

Edited for you. He's been well above average for 3 consecutive months and counting.

 

[Soundwave]

Yep lol, middle of the road starter is a 5-6m goalie nowadays although, granted, Skinner has performed like a below average goalie this season.

The last two seasons he's been below average.

 

[MessierII]

Coming "within" anything doesn't really matter. That's just a fancy word of saying losing. The goal is not to lose, the goal is to win the Cup, so we need to reinforce the team where it is weakest. The numbers tell you that is in net. It's not debatable.

Again, our fanbase has this emotional attachment to Stu for reasons that make no sense. Is it because he's a local boy? Is it because Stauffer tells everyone he's the solution? I don't get it.

Skinner has been good since the team as a whole got it together. Where are you willing to subtract to add a goalie? Forward or D? And who are your targets that are available?

 

[Soundwave]

The fact of the matter too is we were fairly fortunate last year that we didn't really run into any top end goaltending until about game 1 of the Finals.

Oettenger may (or may not) be an elite goalie in the long run, but he is still young and learning and we took advantage of that in the Dallas series.

There is no guarantee this time around we will avoid the Hellebuycks and Adin Hills and not have to contend against Bobrovsky again.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The fact of the matter too is we were fairly fortunate last year that we didn't really run into any top end goaltending until about game 1 of the Finals.

Oettenger may (or may not) be an elite goalie in the long run, but he is still young and learning and we took advantage of that in the Dallas series.

There is no guarantee this time around we will avoid the Hellebuycks and Adin Hills and not have to contend against Bobrovsky again.

Yeah Hellebuyck was just fantastic during the playoffs last year.

 

[Soundwave]

Yeah Hellebuyck was just fantastic during the playoffs last year.

He sure killed us the last time we played him in the playoffs. I don't think the Jeff Skinner and Viktor Arvidsson's of the world are going to light him up, and McDavid + Drai wasn't enough to beat him last time.

I also think the Jets are simply better this year.

But sure OK, if you want to bet the entire McDavid era on never having to beat a team with top end goaltending, go ahead and roll that dice. You probably aren't going to be happy with the results in 10 years from now, probably a lot of "woulda/coulda/shouldas".

I don't think we are gaurunteed to have a path as favorable as Talbot (who McDavid/Drai know inside out and have beat in practise a million times) to Silovs to Oettengier in a bad year.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

He sure killed us the last time we played him in the playoffs. I don't think the Jeff Skinner and Viktor Arvidsson's of the world are going to light him up, and McDavid + Drai wasn't enough to beat him last time.

I also think the Jets are simply better this year.

But sure OK, if you want to bet the entire McDavid era on never having to beat a team with top end goaltending, go ahead and roll that dice. You probably aren't going to be happy with the results in 10 years from now, probably a lot of "woulda/coulda/shouldas".

Dave Tippett, that was Dave Tippett.

 

[Roof Daddy]

Nice player having a great contract season so I’m sure he will be available but there will likely be quite a few suitors and Hughes will drive up the price so I doubt a 2nd alone gets it done, in fact I’m sure Hughes ask will be a 1st and someone who really needs a 3C might pay it or equivalent value.

Colton Sissons would be my choice for that type of role. Right shot C who’s almost 56% on the dot. An excellent PK’er who plays the shutdown role well, he’s a hard working competitor who can be physical. Having a down year offensively but has shown over his career he can chip in offensively from the bottom 6. Likely wouldn’t be too expensive to acquire with the down year he’s having and Preds likely wanting to shed salary wherever they can.

Forgot about Scissons, because he signed that 6 yr deal so long ago I forgot what year it ran out. Ya, he’d be a good option at a cheaper price than Evans. But I’d still treat Scissons as more of a back up plan if the bidding on Evans gets stupid.

 

[Heavy Dee]

Brown the worst forward by far on the roster so yah it makes sense. KK is a head scratcher at times.

 

[MessierII]

He sure killed us the last time we played him in the playoffs. I don't think the Jeff Skinner and Viktor Arvidsson's of the world are going to light him up, and McDavid + Drai wasn't enough to beat him last time.

I also think the Jets are simply better this year.

But sure OK, if you want to bet the entire McDavid era on never having to beat a team with top end goaltending, go ahead and roll that dice. You probably aren't going to be happy with the results in 10 years from now, probably a lot of "woulda/coulda/shouldas".

Jets are the reverse oilers. They start hot and taper off as the season goes. Same story last year. That was his only good playoff performance so far in his career. Skinner outplayed Oettinger last year. Or is he not considered high end?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

He sure killed us the last time we played him in the playoffs. I don't think the Jeff Skinner and Viktor Arvidsson's of the world are going to light him up, and McDavid + Drai wasn't enough to beat him last time.

I also think the Jets are simply better this year.

But sure OK, if you want to bet the entire McDavid era on never having to beat a team with top end goaltending, go ahead and roll that dice. You probably aren't going to be happy with the results in 10 years from now, probably a lot of "woulda/coulda/shouldas".

I don't think we are gaurunteed to have a path as favorable as Talbot (who McDavid/Drai know inside out and have beat in practise a million times) to Silovs to Oettengier in bad year.

That was how many years ago? The Avalanche beat him to the tune of a 5GAA. Hell even the mighty Canadiens had no trouble beating him that year. We beat arguably the best goalie in the west last year.

Besides, we wouldn't have to worry about the Jets until round 3. And they'll likely be gone by then.

 

[K1984]

Dave Tippett, that was Dave Tippett.

That was also a team that had to cut their bench down to basically 5 forwards and 3 D men in OT because the rest of the roster was so clinically inept that it was less risky to triple shift a select few players than it was to play the others at all.

 

[MessierII]

Brown the worst forward by far on the roster so yah it makes sense. KK is a head scratcher at times.

I disagree Brown is good defensively and has looked good when given top 6 mins this year. Hyman and Henrique have also looked good when paired this year.

 

[oobga]

Dobson has never set his price at 11M. Bouchard's camp did.

Market is gonna be what it is, especially if there is a nice cap increase, and offensive RHD are always in demand. Lou has been a generous man these days too. 8.5M for avg ~60 points Horvat was a beaut.

 

[Soundwave]

Brown the worst forward by far on the roster so yah it makes sense. KK is a head scratcher at times.

Good defensive coach, but dumb as bricks offensively it seems.

Luckily for him he has McDavid/Drai/Hyman which is basically an offensive cheat code, so he can get away with it.

 

[oobga]

Brown the worst forward by far on the roster so yah it makes sense. KK is a head scratcher at times.

Brown seems to think he can dangle like McDavid (and ends up with some brutal giveaways), so maybe this is supposed to be an educational session for him.