Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part II

Camille the Eel

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Gudas piling in late to take out Lazar was the dirtiest and nastiest hit against us all season. Nearly ended Lazar’s season (jury is still out how long the return goes) and required surgery. I hope someone lines him up squarely, also that we keep our heads up against them. Hurt me once shame on you . . . but twice . . . etc.
 

Brodeur

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What are the chances of Gritsyuk coming over and playing for NJ this season?

SKA's season ends 3 1/2 weeks before NJ's and currently SKA is the 4th seed in their conference, so looking at a 4/5 matchup - meaning it's not unreasonable to think they could go out in the first round.

Is there anything in the NHL/KHL agreement that would prevent him from coming over as soon as SKA's season is over? Would be a very nice addition to the bottom 6 for a (hopefully) long playoff run.


He can sign when his KHL season is over. Nikita Gusev signed with Vegas in April 2019 and joined them for a couple practices while they were in the midst of a first round series against San Jose. Colorado had previously signed Nikolai Kovalenko and loaned him to the KHL and he ended up making his NHL debut in last year's playoffs (he joined their AHL team initially).

Might be a tough ask to throw Gritsyuk directly into the deep end of the pool and have him in the NHL playoffs with little practice time. It didn't seem like Vegas considered using Gusev against San Jose. Colorado dressed Kovalenko for a couple games against Winnipeg but he barely played and was scratched for the next series against Dallas.

Edit: If/when Gritsyuk signs, it'll be 1 year ELC because of his age. If the team wants him as an option for the playoffs, it can be registered for this season. Gritsyuk would then be RFA without offer sheet or arbitration rights in the summer. Burning the first year immediately might just be the price of doing business and then he can sign for guaranteed money for 2025-26.
 
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Smitty426

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Thinking about the trade deadline. In 2025 we have 3- 2 round picks, 1- 3rd, 1- 4th, 2- 6ths.
Looks like puckpedia has us at: $3,760,150 at TDL if no addl moves until then.

For argument's sake if they chased a Nelson ($6M), or a Palms ($5M) to get one of them we'd give up a 2nd and ......?
To get retained at 1/2 off (Isles have all 3 slots to do so). Do we get a third party involved and what's that cost look like?

I'd like to see if they could also add Mathieu Oliveri in CBJ (Evans in Mtl similar). Again, costs?
Lastly what prospects Utica or otherwise allow the above to happen. And I know we are not giving up X, Y and Z players. I'm asking who we feel comfortable with?

Diotte was mentioned the other day, and he just happen to sign his ELC today. Just gauging value and who is available from our picks/prospects to the crowd. thx
 
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Devils731

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I mean we did pick Luke just because he was Jack brother. But as most of us said at the time all the prospects in that range was similarly rated so it would have been suicidal to not take Luke there. That Luke looks like the best of the bunch is fortunate.
Disagree.

Saying it like this acts like the brother thing comes first and I don’t believe it did. There is no way Luke gets picked that high if the Devils didn’t feel he was worthy of that spot, so there is no “just” about it.

Luke had arguably the highest upside of any player in the draft. The brother part was the afterthought bonus, not the talent.
 

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I mean we did pick Luke just because he was Jack brother. But as most of us said at the time all the prospects in that range was similarly rated so it would have been suicidal to not take Luke there. That Luke looks like the best of the bunch is fortunate.

Based on how he has played since draft day - I would say it’s more fortunate that he was injured in his draft year and didn’t get to play much being a bigger factor in us being able to draft him at 4z
 

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ZachaFlockaFlame

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Disagree.

Saying it like this acts like the brother thing comes first and I don’t believe it did. There is no way Luke gets picked that high if the Devils didn’t feel he was worthy of that spot, so there is no “just” about it.

Luke had arguably the highest upside of any player in the draft. The brother part was the afterthought bonus, not the talent.

Which makes no sense why he didn't go higher in that draft, Power is probably going to be most mediocre first overall in the past 15ish years since Erik Johnson. Beniers has been underwhelming even though he had a great rookie year and McTavish has been in trade rumors. Luke being the first overall to Buffalo would've made sense back then + include the ceilings and it's pretty lucky we got him at 4. This isn't the 2017 scenario where some fans complain about us not getting Makar when everyone in the top 4 was really good besides Nolan Patrick.
 

Devils731

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Which makes no sense why he didn't go higher in that draft, Power is probably going to be most mediocre first overall in the past 15ish years since Erik Johnson. Beniers has been underwhelming even though he had a great rookie year and McTavish has been in trade rumors. Luke being the first overall to Buffalo would've made sense back then + include the ceilings and it's pretty lucky we got him at 4. This isn't the 2017 scenario where some fans complain about us not getting Makar when everyone in the top 4 was really good besides Nolan Patrick.
@NJDfan86 may be right that his injury kept people a little uncomfortable in projecting his future.

Based on my readings and memory, people seemed comfortable with Luke’s huge upside but they weren’t sure he could put it all together, which may have given him more risk than others.
 

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@NJDfan86 may be right that his injury kept people a little uncomfortable in projecting his future.

Based on my readings and memory, people seemed comfortable with Luke’s huge upside but they weren’t sure he could put it all together, which may have given him more risk than others.

Yea - he was one of the youngest players in the draft and barely played his draft year. He was still fairly regularly ranked high despite the missing time, people had a lot of faith in him DESPITE missing most of the year.
 

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I don't know if this has already been mentioned here, but Puljujarvi would be available for minimum salary. I come from his camp but his treatment by Sullivan was really strange. At the time the doghouse started he'd scored five points in six games in the bottom6, which was the 2nd best rate of the team. Plus minus and some advanced stats among the best of the team too. Much better than the other ones in bottom6.

He also had a stretch of 1,5 years when he scored ES goals at the second best rate in the Oilers, so while he wasn't consistent enough I think he could offer potential for a great pick for this salary now that he seems healthy after the hip operation.

 

Whaddagoal

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Not sure where to put this, but why does UNLV have pretty much the same exact jersey as we do for our Jersey jersey thirds. Literally the same combo.

Who had it first? Please don't tell me we ripped it off from them... And that Addidas put zero effort into ours.

I even counted the arm stripes against my Nico one, looks the same count, same pattern/size.


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Lou is God

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Not sure where to put this, but why does UNLV have pretty much the same exact jersey as we do for our Jersey jersey thirds. Literally the same combo.

Who had it first? Please don't tell me we ripped it off from them... Don't tell me Addidas put zero effort into ours.

I even counted the arm stripes against my Nico one, looks the same count.


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I'm pretty sure Marty had a lot of input in the design of the uniforms, zero chance UNLV designed it first.

It does show they're more popular than people think. I like them.
 

Whaddagoal

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I'm pretty sure Marty had a lot of input in the design of the uniforms, zero chance UNLV designed it first.

It does show they're more popular than people think. I like them.

I like our Jersey jersey too, just hoping it was at least ripped from ours first.

I remember them saying even the stripe count represented the counties in NJ and so forth.

Just curious I saw that jersey and had to do a double take.... Maybe we got royalties?
 

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