Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part II

Triumph

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I'm not building a roster for the next two years, I'm building it for the next 10. Especially in an environment where the cap is going to be rising aggressively, you should lock down your stars (or future stars) if they'll let you.

This moment in time (expiring ELC) is when the team and players interests most align. Player is trying to hedge away downside risk for career ending injury, and the team is trying to lock a guy in at a below market salary for as long as possible. If you bridge, the player will already have high 7 figures or more in career earnings, and be closer to UFA in a rising cap environment.

There's risk from a team perspective, so you should treat every guy like this, but Luke is as close to a lock for future star as anybody in this league right now. Gotta strike while the iron is hot, and work out the #4-6D contracts around that.

I am much less bullish on the cap being significantly above its current place in 2024-25 in, say, 2028-29. Can't say more about it than that, but still, nobody can see that coming and it's kind of impossible to GM with that sort of long-term in mind anyway. Regardless, the cap will be going up significantly the next 2 years and so it is best to try to lock everything in before that all happens - if there is a cap correction closer to the end of this decade, the teams that locked in their team earliest will be doing best.
 
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So what happened, he just went up there and dumped on the bottom 6?

Is this another pat yourself on the back media show?

Edit: okay I see the video clip ... Need to check it out.
 
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weird press availability IMO

he basically just shit on the bottom 6 lol
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With the way the rest of our defense is locked in, you can only extend Kovacevic if you’re fully prepared to ship out Dougie or Nemec before next season.

Nemec should be up by next year playing a regular NHL role. Casey you could probably have him play two full AHL seasons before being a part-time NHLer and full time the next year.

If you’re prepping to move Dougie and run Pesce-Kovacevic-Nemec next year, it would have to be an off season move. With Luke’s salary likely coming in somewhere close to Dougie, I could definitely see the Devils going down that path.
Nah. You can let dougie stay another year and keep Kovy under the cap feasibly.

Don't let a Kovy extension force you into making a bad dougie or nemec or casey move.

If quality value opens itself up, sure.

But keeping the current status quo is more than feasible next year
 
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Nah. You can let dougie stay another year and keep Kovy under the cap feasibly.

Don't let a Kovy extension force you into making a bad dougie or nemec or casey move.

If quality value opens itself up, sure.

But keeping the current status quo is more than feasible next year

Dougie needs to go this offeason. Let Luke take over PP1 and use Dougie's money elsewhere.
 
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Dougie needs to go this offeason. Let Luke take over PP1 and use Dougie's money elsewhere.
On what? Some aging winger who doesn't meaningfully improve either of our top 6 lines as we have seen time and time again that trying the 3 stars on 1 line thing doesn't make a meaningful improvement on 2+ complimentary guy

Dougie is a key reason why our PP is so good. Without dougie it will be worse.
 

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On what? Some aging winger who doesn't meaningfully improve either of our top 6 lines as we have seen time and time again that trying the 3 stars on 1 line thing doesn't make a meaningful improvement on 2+ complimentary guy

Dougie is a key reason why our PP is so good. Without dougie it will be worse.

This has been discussed ad nauseum on here so I'm not going to go into it all again, but Dougie's $9M (along with dumping Palat) opens up the ability to bring in someone for Jack's line, sign Luke, and bring back Kovacevic.

The Devils are stacked on the blue line with a nice pipeline and you deal strength to fix other areas, especially when the D in question has been morphing into a PP specialist who needs to be sheltered against the other team's best lines because he's slow.

I'm not sold on the "Dougie is the key reason" our PP is so good. Hand the reins over to Luke who has improved a ton on D and will limit shorthanded opportunities while also having elite mobility and passing abilities that will make opposing team's PK lose positioning.
 

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weird press availability IMO

he basically just shit on the bottom 6 lol

I mean, he was asked what the next challenge would be that he would like to see the group overcome. I think he was just calling attention to the lack of secondary scoring as of late. Which is not a wrong thing to call attention to at all.

Dawson's goal and assist last game were his first points in 4 games and just his 2nd and 3rd points in his last 9. Him and Noesen have alternated being in the top 6, but now Noesen has been scoreless in the past 6.

Mentioned earlier that Cotter is pointless in his last 14 games. Haula has just a goal and two assists in his last 21 games. Oddly enough, Tatar had 4 points in a 5 game stretch before then going scoreless in the last 3 and now getting scratched. Realistically, it's tough to probably expect much from the rest of the 4th liners offensively.

But I see where he's coming from with the question he was asked. Right now, the two top 6 lines are playing excellent hockey and they're generating the goals. Even when they've come from the likes of Luke or Pesce, Jack and Bratt have predominantly been the ones creating with them. Thankfully Nico's line burst through the dam last game, hopefully it means they're going to be rewarded next for all the work they've done.
 

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This has been discussed ad nauseum on here so I'm not going to go into it all again, but Dougie's $9M (along with dumping Palat) opens up the ability to bring in someone for Jack's line, sign Luke, and bring back Kovacevic.

The Devils are stacked on the blue line with a nice pipeline and you deal strength to fix other areas, especially when the D in question has been morphing into a PP specialist who needs to be sheltered against the other team's best lines because he's slow.

I'm not sold on the "Dougie is the key reason" our PP is so good. Hand the reins over to Luke who has improved a ton on D and will limit shorthanded opportunities while also having elite mobility and passing abilities that will make opposing team's PK lose positioning.

Luke does not bring the same threat from the point.


Moving out Dougie and Palat is a ridiculous amount of overkill.

It would leave us, AFTER signing Luke AND Kovacevic, 17+ million dollars to fill a backup goalie and a 4th line.

Unless you're planning on making a pitch to Mikko Rantanen or Mitch Marner, there is absolutely no need to have that much money available.

How many times do we have to try and stick a 3rd star alongside Jack and Bratt before we realize it doesn't actually improve the line?
 
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Luke does not bring the same threat from the point.


Moving out Dougie and Palat is a ridiculous amount of overkill.

It would leave us, AFTER signing Luke AND Kovacevic, 17+ million dollars to fill a backup goalie and a 4th line.

Unless you're planning on making a pitch to Mikko Rantanen or Mitch Marner, there is absolutely no need to have that much money available.

How many times do we have to try and stick a 3rd star alongside Jack and Bratt before we realize it doesn't actually improve the line?

Dammit we just need Tom Wilson :laugh: Imagine him doing his thing with Jack and Bratt...
 

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Luke does not bring the same threat from the point.


Moving out Dougie and Palat is a ridiculous amount of overkill.

It would leave us, AFTER signing Luke AND Kovacevic, 17+ million dollars to fill a backup goalie and a 4th line.

Unless you're planning on making a pitch to Mikko Rantanen or Mitch Marner, there is absolutely no need to have that much money available.

How many times do we have to try and stick a 3rd star alongside Jack and Bratt before we realize it doesn't actually improve the line?


It'll be pretty tough to move Palat; easier to move Hamilton

Nemec could be pretty unhappy if he doesn't have a path to the NHL next year

Still, if possible, I'd prefer to keep Hamilton. It's just not looking very likely.
 
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It'll be pretty tough to move Palat; easier to move Hamilton

Nemec could be pretty unhappy if he doesn't have a path to the NHL next year

Still, if possible, I'd prefer to keep Hamilton. It's just not looking very likely.
I think you are overestimating how much front offices will react to one season.

Hamilton is more likely to be on next years roster than Kovacevic.
 

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Nah. You can let dougie stay another year and keep Kovy under the cap feasibly.

Don't let a Kovy extension force you into making a bad dougie or nemec or casey move.

If quality value opens itself up, sure.

But keeping the current status quo is more than feasible next year
Extending Luke and keeping Dougie and Kovacevic is overkill on defense, in my opinion. I’d rather use some of that cap space to add a quality scoring forward and not just another third liner alongside Hughes-Bratt.

My biggest concern about extending Kovacevic before moving Dougie is you might back yourself into a corner in terms of value. Maybe if the Devils open up the market to include Hamilton, Nemec, and Casey, they can play suitors for Hamilton against suitors for Nemec/Casey.

Fitzgerald has been a pretty shrewd trader for the most part, so I’d be willing to give him a benefit of the doubt.

Plus let’s also be real here, this year is likely Dougie’s last as the top go-to offensive weapon, even if Luke won’t be the shooting threat Dougie is on PP1. If we wait another year to move him, odds are his role decreases and his value takes a hit too.
 

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