Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part II

[Nubmer6]

I mean, most people here want an upgrade on Siegs for the top-pairing, and I agree.

Whether the 10th should be involved for that, well, obviously depends on the player.

I feel like if we get a Siegenthaller replacement, it should be a vet shutdown defender that could probably be had for much less than a 10th OA. Even just signing them as a UFA usually doesn't cost THAT much and usually doesn't involve a huge term.

 

[NJDevs26]

Yeah there’s no serious discussion to be had posting that clown’s Tweets as fact and if it was the trade deadline they’d certainly be no go. If you’re just posting them to dunk in the off-season vaya con dios

 

[Comparison Ford]

I feel like if we get a Siegenthaller replacement, it should be a vet shutdown defender that could probably be had for much less than a 10th OA. Even just signing them as a UFA usually doesn't cost THAT much and usually doesn't involve a huge term.

I think what I would really hope for is a LD who pushes Siegnethaler down the lineup. The only left handed UFA defenseman that fits the bill this summer is Skjei in my opinion. The stronger group of the UFA bunch is Right handed.

 

[My3Sons]

Yeah there’s no serious discussion to be had posting that clown’s Tweets as fact and if it was the trade deadline they’d certainly be no go. If you’re just posting them to dunk in the off-season vaya con dios

If NJ could hornswaggle Montreal into moving Anderson for the tenth pick in the draft you are damn right I’m dunking on them! NJ held firm when MTL tried to get second overall and now to get him for tenth overall? Can someone say bargain?

 

[Devils Army]

Yeah I mean I don't even WANT to trade Mercer, but I wouldn't be totally against it if it came in a deal for an upgrade somewhere. I think Mercer can bounce back, but I tend to think he'll top out as a 50ish point forward rather than maybe a 70ish point forward...which again, is totally fine.

If mercer added a Coleman/Tkachuk like mindset and decided to be a bit more of a pest and get under the skin of the opposition he'd be worth way more. I've seen him capable of that type of play

 

[Forge]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798156672277340503

Nothing new. Ullmark, markstrom top the list.

Wonders if the devils go after Brenden Dillon.
Fitz also indicated we were too vanilla up front

 

[Zippy316]

100%. The 10th should be completely off the table for any of those kinds of pieces, even in a trade down.

IMO the top 10-12 of this draft is quite strong, and the Devils will pick up a premium prospect there.

Unless the trade target is an elite starter, top-pairing defenseman, or elite winger, the 10th should be out of the question.

I was also contemplating that there could be a package deal of Ullmark, Saros, Markstrom, or Binnington plus a roster player. If you could find the perfect deal, then maybe you could justify see the value in dealing #10.

But there really isn’t anyone on those rosters that the Devils could fit into their cap structure that makes sense. You’d have to really spruce up a deal like retain 50% on Markstrom/Binnington plus include a roster forward like Coleman/Saad for me to even start to consider offering #10.

 

[Zippy316]

If mercer added a Coleman/Tkachuk like mindset and decided to be a bit more of a pest and get under the skin of the opposition he'd be worth way more. I've seen him capable of that type of play

With Mercer having a relatively poor year, the Devils have all the leverage to sign him to a 3x3.5 deal or similar.

At that AAV, Mercer is way more valuable to this team than anything we could get in a trade. He should absolutely be a 5 or 6 or even 7 million dollar player for most if not all of that deal which is way better than anything the Devils could sign or trade for at that AAV.

It also allows the Devils to keep the team deep up front and punt decisions on the forward group to when Mercer/Hischier/Palats deals are up in three years.

 

[Andre Palot]

Couldn't we realistically get Markstrom without giving up a high first? Just throw a pair of 2nds at him or a 2nd and a whatever prospect.

He's not in the same conversation as Saros or even Ullmark.

 

[Devils Army]

Couldn't we realistically get Markstrom without giving up a high first? Just throw a pair of 2nds at him or a 2nd and a whatever prospect.

He's not in the same conversation as Saros or even Ullmark.

I don't think he's worth much more than that. But as Fitz mentioned, teams know we're desperate for solid tending and won't give it to us for cheap

 

[Andre Palot]

I don't think he's worth much more than that. But as Fitz mentioned, teams know we're desperate for solid tending and won't give it to us for cheap

There is a VERY thin line between desperate and stupid.

I hope Fitz isn't the latter

 

[JrFischer54]

use the 10 to get a goalie.

 

[njdevils1982]

Yeah there’s no serious discussion to be had posting that clown’s Tweets as fact and if it was the trade deadline they’d certainly be no go. If you’re just posting them to dunk in the off-season vaya con dios

 

[JrFischer54]

I don't think he's worth much more than that. But as Fitz mentioned, teams know we're desperate for solid tending and won't give it to us for cheap

It’s weird because in season posters on here said to wait til summer when prices would be lower. #crazy

With Mercer having a relatively poor year, the Devils have all the leverage to sign him to a 3x3.5 deal or similar.

At that AAV, Mercer is way more valuable to this team than anything we could get in a trade. He should absolutely be a 5 or 6 or even 7 million dollar player for most if not all of that deal which is way better than anything the Devils could sign or trade for at that AAV.

It also allows the Devils to keep the team deep up front and punt decisions on the forward group to when Mercer/Hischier/Palats deals are up in three years.

If I’m the devils I’m doing absolutely everything to get Mercer signed to way longer than 3 years. Lock him up on a 6 or 7 year deal on a down year before the cap goes up drastically? Instantly becomes an even more valuable trade chip in a year or two

 

[Bleedred]

use the 10 to get a goalie.

It better be as good of a goalie as we could possibly get.

I can't think Markstrom is gonna be worth the 10th overall. He should be able to be had for cheaper than that.

Same for Askarov. That's too much for a guy that's played like 2 NHL games. We were getting an already proven and elite 27 year old goalie when we traded the 9th overall for Schneider.

I can't think of a current equivalent who would realistically be available.

 

[Forge]

Couldn't we realistically get Markstrom without giving up a high first? Just throw a pair of 2nds at him or a 2nd and a whatever prospect.

He's not in the same conversation as Saros or even Ullmark.

If I'm Calgary, two future late second round picks doesn't move the needle for me to trade markstrom now.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

My concern on Markstrom has always been that Marty absolutely loves him...named him in his top 5 goalies list last year.

I really hope that if they go that route, we do not overpay.

 

[Bleedred]

I'm kind of meh on Markstrom at this point.

I hope we have other (better) options than him. Of course he's better than the idea of acquiring Gibson. I hope to f***ing god that he isn't an option at this point, as was rumored in the first half of the year.

And the fact that Rogalski is still here is making me lose my enthusiasm for any goalie we may acquire.

To counter that, Vitek (and Schmid) played fine when Rogalski was goalie coach here in 22-23, so it's not a guarantee that Rogalski being here will negate a goalie from playing well here.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Give them a 2nd and a 3rd and whatever low tier prospect for Markstrom

Thats it

 

[Devs3cups]

 

[Nubmer6]

Same for Askarov. That's too much for a guy that's played like 2 NHL games.

That's 2 more NHL games than whoever we pick at 10 has played.

 

[forceten]

I'm going to be mad about #10 aren't I?

 

[Bleedred]

That's 2 more NHL games than whoever we pick at 10 has played.

We need a much more established goalie than a guy that’s played 3 games if we’re sending that pick away.

We sent one pick higher away for Cory Schneider. Cory Schneider was already a top goalie in the NHL. Askarov is not. Not yet at least.

 

[TrufleShufle]

That's 2 more NHL games than whoever we pick at 10 has played.

Any goalie outside of like 5-10 (most of which don't move) in the NHL every year is as much a lottery pick as a player in a draft. Forget talking about goalies who haven't played any real NHL time.

 

[Nubmer6]

We need a much more established goalie than a guy that’s played 3 games if we’re sending that pick away.

We sent one pick higher away for Cory Schneider. Cory Schneider was already a top goalie in the NHL. Askarov is not. Not yet at least.

My point really is that 10 isn't a sure bet either. It would definitely be a gamble that Askarov is ready, but we're not guaranteed 10 will hit either.

The timing isn't perfect (I'd prefer if he had a year of experience), but he was touted to have the ability to become a franchise goalie.

Plus of all the goalies out there, I feel like his style fits us the best. He's more of a reactionary goalie than a positional one, probably making him better suited to questionable defense, and not necessarily requiring a heavily structured D in front of him to succeed. Markstrom kind of fits that mold, but I just don't believe in him anymore at his age and recent history.

Ya, if he's not ready, we're pretty screwed this season, but presumably he'd only get better and with any luck would become out long time goalie of the future.

Anyway, who am I kidding. Askarov is just a pipe dream anyway. I doubt he'll actually be available.