GDT: Devils at Canes

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Also, I made the mistake of wandering into that main board thread. Holy shit, do Devil's fans aways whine this much after a loss? It's embarrassing.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Also, I made the mistake of wandering into that main board thread. Holy shit, do Devil's fans aways whine this much after a loss? It's embarrassing.

Given that similar sentiments were all over the Reddit threads last night, I'm assuming their broadcast influenced a lot of their opinions.

 

[Svechhammer]

Also, I made the mistake of wandering into that main board thread. Holy shit, do Devil's fans aways whine this much after a loss? It's embarrassing.

Victim blaming and victim shaming, so hot right now

 

[Borsig]

I still say that we should have kept Noesen.

yeah the pesce contract will age poorly. Our D is suffering badly for it

 

[WreckingCrew]

Haula hit was worse than Meier's, and honestly deserves a league review. That said, both led with elbows and absolutely should have been majors + ejections. I love that ORLOV went to the bench, wiped his face, then came back and threw Haulas bitch ass down. I don't even care that he got a penalty for it, SOMEONE had to make a point. It pisses me off that KK is the only guy who really took exception to either hit, nobody on this team shows any guts. It's about time we start running goalies and throwing elbows in games like that, if refs clearly aren't going to call it we need to take advantage of the "refs aren't going to call every little thing"

Also, FWIW Blake definitely seems to be a bit of a flopper, but he's about the only one I can say really embellishes. Every team has 1-2 (BOS/FLA have 4-5) floppers that draw calls, and I really wish the league would start calling it more aggressively.

 

[Joe McGrath]

One other thing. The role Noesen is playing in NJ is similar to the role Roslovic is playing her in Carolina except Roslovic is getting less PP time. So if one wants to make a comparison it's not Carrier vs. Noesen, it's Roslovic vs. Noesen.

Roslovic: 16G, 24P in 35 games (2 PP points)
Noesen: 16G, 26P in 39 games (10 PP points)

Roslovic is making $2.8M. Noesen is making $2.75M

Yeah Carrier is the Fast replacement. That’s 1 for 1.

The other forwards have some mental gymnastics involved in who is replacing who. I think in their cap structure it’s Robinson replacing Noesen.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I still say that we should have kept Noesen.

That's a fair.

The context though is that would the team be better off today with Noesen at $2.75M or Roslovic at $2.8M? Probably not.

Roslovic is faster but Noesen is more physical.
Roslovic is scoring at a 5v5 rate of 2.73 P/60 vs. Noesen at 1.99 P/60.
Roslovic has 2 points on the 2nd pp unit, Noesen has 10 on the first PP unit. Both teams have a top 5 PP unit in the NHL.

It's hard to argue with the stance that someone would rather keep Noesen. It's also hard to argue with the stance that someone would rather have Roslovic.

There really wouldn't be room for both though to play in the roles that they currently play in.

yeah the pesce contract will age poorly. Our D is suffering badly for it

Agree.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

The other forwards have some mental gymnastics involved in who is replacing who. I think in their cap structure it’s Robinson replacing Noesen.

Comparing it to last year's role on the team, that's fair (although I think Blake is a better compare).

My point is that Noesen wasn't going to be kept for last year's salary ($762K) and thus would not have played the same role if he stayed. We can't compare is production today vs. last year. He would have had more of the role Roslovic has today (which is what he has in NJ).

I'd argue that Blake has that role that Noesen had last year. Low salary, 4th line winger, 2nd PP unit and no PK. Robison plays the PK and has no PP time which is not the role Noesen played.

 

[HisIceness]

I don't have a problem losing Skeji and Pesce. Like both but they were always going to get other opportunities elsewhere and that's fine.

Noesen rocked. Hated losing him. I'm actually liking Carrier more and more but I'm not liking 6 years attached.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I don't have a problem losing Skeji and Pesce. Like both but they were always going to get other opportunities elsewhere and that's fine.

Noesen rocked. Hated losing him. I'm actually liking Carrier more and more but I'm not liking 6 years attached.

6 years is long, but with the cap going up his $2M will be peanuts in the out years. The actual salary is only $1.5M in the last 2 years as well.

 

[HisIceness]

6 years is long, but with the cap going up his $2M will be peanuts in the out years. The actual salary is only $1.5M in the last 2 years as well.

I get that. I'm just hoping he's healthy enough to continue progressing/contributing and that his game doesn't go to hell while he's here. IIRC he had some injury problems in Vegas.

 

[Svechhammer]

It pisses me off that KK is the only guy who really took exception to either hit, nobody on this team shows any guts. It's about time we start running goalies and throwing elbows in games like that, if refs clearly aren't going to call it we need to take advantage of the "refs aren't going to call every little thing"

Yep, said the same. It's ridiculous that only KK responded to the hit, the rest of the team just kept playing as if nothing happened. Way to stick up for your star getting run, assholes.

And we wonder why teams are so easy to body us and take us off our game in the postseason. We play for the penalties, but the penalties dont come on hits anymore and we end up getting frustrated and retailiate with hacks of the stick which do get called.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Also, I made the mistake of wandering into that main board thread. Holy shit, do Devil's fans aways whine this much after a loss? It's embarrassing.

Tarheelhocky had the best posts in that OP.

 

[AD Skinner]

Skjei was never staying. Pesce probably wasn’t either. They are both making way more money for way more term than the canes were ever going to offer them

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Yep, said the same. It's ridiculous that only KK responded to the hit, the rest of the team just kept playing as if nothing happened. Way to stick up for your star getting run, assholes.

And we wonder why teams are so easy to body us and take us off our game in the postseason. We play for the penalties, but the penalties dont come on hits anymore and we end up getting frustrated and retailiate with hacks of the stick which do get called.

I know this is the narrative, but it doesn't follow the facts. It's been special teams and goaltending that have let us down the most in the playoffs the last few years, not being "taken off our game".

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I know this is the narrative, but it doesn't follow the facts. It's been special teams and goaltending that have let us down the most in the playoffs the last few years, not being "taken off our game".

Well, except for the occasion where TonyD absolutely lost his shit against the Rangers

 

[DaveG]

Skjei was never staying. Pesce probably wasn’t either. They are both making way more money for way more term than the canes were ever going to offer them

I think Pesce would have stayed but that would have also required a shitload of moving pieces that we might not have been able to pull off since we were trying to hardball Guentzel.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Comparing it to last year's role on the team, that's fair (although I think Blake is a better compare).

My point is that Noesen wasn't going to be kept for last year's salary ($762K) and thus would not have played the same role if he stayed. We can't compare is production today vs. last year. He would have had more of the role Roslovic has today (which is what he has in NJ).

I'd argue that Blake has that role that Noesen had last year. Low salary, 4th line winger, 2nd PP unit and no PK. Robison plays the PK and has no PP time which is not the role Noesen played.

In a recent interview, Noesen spoke about how he appreciates the opportunity to do more (and play more) in his current role, too.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

In the end, the Canes made the correct moves this offseason. Sure, there might've been a slight drop-off for this regular season (and still, anything can happen this postseason), but the Canes remain highly flexible in terms of cap space for years to come and now should have no issue retaining the likes of Nikishin and Necas long-term while potentially adding even more.

 

[Unhinged Finn]

In the end, the Canes made the correct moves this offseason. Sure, there might've been a slight drop-off for this regular season (and still, anything can happen this postseason), but the Canes remain highly flexible in terms of cap space for years to come and now should have no issue retaining the likes of Nikishin and Necas long-term while potentially adding even more.

Yeah I agree. I find it funny how emotions and expectations change from missing playoffs to being contender and then sucking into failure. Rod has lost the room (again) and Aho will suck the rest of his career. I never expected progress to be linear and every signing to be successful. Winning is more fun than losing and all the feelings are understandable. Hot takes are what being a fan is all about.

We can only guess what our ex players really wanted, but fans speculate on things like that. It's not always bad for the management not to hang on to their current roster whatever it may cost. Somewhere in the middle is the sweet spot and they have been able to keep Slavin for example. They (and I) might be wrong to build this team with patience (someone could say cheap), but I think it's the right way. Opportunities to add key pieces will come, if they have flexibility.

*2 min minor penalty for too many words from a Finn*

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

Hey hey hey, Orlov put it best



We don't need to be advocating making his family any smaller than it already is

This is really low. And not the first comment like this I’ve seen.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

For anybody surprised that the Devils/their fans are acting like sore losers, this is not a new thing.

Exhibit A:

 

[Stickpucker]

This is really low. And not the first comment like this I’ve seen.

Something must've gone over my head. Maybe stuff on social media I don't follow?

 

[Borsig]

This is really low. And not the first comment like this I’ve seen.

whats the deal with it? I dont understand

 

[CanesUltimate11]

whats the deal with it? I dont understand

I’d guess the thought is it’s a shot over Haula’s wife’s miscarriage a few years ago.