GDT: Devils at Canes

[Joe McGrath]

I wouldn't say the diving accusations are completely nonsense. We definitely have a few players that will fall easily to try and draw calls. But most teams have a player or two like that. It's just part of the game at this point.

But anyone who thinks Necas was faking that knee collision has clearly never had an injury like that.

I really hate the “you never played” arguments but this is one that its just the goddamn truth. i’ve literally taken that hit twice. Once i f***ed up my knee, but i finished the game because I’m stupid. Once i pulled myself and i wound up being fine.

 

[HisIceness]

I guess Necas is of the same breed then

 

[Joe McGrath]

I guess Necas is of the same breed then

No he’s a faking Euro p***y

 

[bleedgreen]

So I started watching the Jersey feed to watch the game late, after a commercial break they came back to show an emotional moment of Pesce getting the end of an ovation after they showed a video commemorating his career. The Devils announcers talked about him and his time here, top notch respect and focused on him as a Cane not a Devil. He gave the crowd a wave, great moment and hats off to the Devils feed for showing it and having a talk about it.

Switched to our feed and went back to the same moment to see more of that. They came back from commercial break and didn’t mention the moment that happened at all, just talked about Slavin and Burns while showing Slavin on the bench. Nothing else, no Pesce shot at all while he was standing by himself out on the ice having his moment. It was when the door was broken a bit into the first period.

That’s crap. I don’t care if they eventually said something or not. I don’t know because I left our feed because of it. How do you not acknowledge that moment as it’s happening? On the Canes feed people were still clapping and they don’t say why or show Pesce at all?!?

Woof. Eff whoever’s decision that was. I don’t care if people are sore about how he left behind scenes or whatever the excuse was. He was a huge part of this team. If the rink is giving him a moment people at home should be privy to it.

 

[Svechhammer]

So I started watching the Jersey feed to watch the game late, after a commercial break they came back to show an emotional moment of Pesce getting the end of an ovation after they showed a video commemorating his career. The Devils announcers talked about him and his time here, top notch respect and focused on him as a Cane not a Devil. He gave the crowd a wave, great moment and hats off to the Devils feed for showing it and having an extended talk about it.

Switched to our feed and went back to the same moment to see more of that. They came back from commercial break and didn’t mention the moment that happened at all, just talked about Slavin and Burns while showing Slavin on the bench. Nothing else, no Pesce shot at all while he was standing by himself out on the ice having his moment. It was when the door was broken a bit into the first period.

That’s crap. I don’t care if they eventually said something or not. I don’t know because I left our feed because of it. How do you not acknowledge that moment as it’s happening? On the Canes feed people were still clapping and they don’t say why or show Pesce at all?!?

Woof. Eff whoever’s decision that was. I don’t care if people are sore about how he left behind scenes or whatever the excuse was. He was a huge part of this team. If the rink is giving him a moment people at home should be privy to it.

Per @Blueline Bomber in the GDT on Friday, they have been explicitly ordered to not focus on those guys (Noesen and especially Pesce) at all because those with sway in the front office are bitter they are gone

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Per @Blueline Bomber in the GDT on Friday, they have been explicitly ordered to not focus on those guys (Noesen and especially Pesce) at all because those with sway in the front office are bitter they are gone

Wasn’t a factor here. The Canes broadcast did show the tribute, the ovation and the Pesce reaction. It wasn’t live, because as @bleedgreen said, the in-house tribute happened during the commercial break.

I can’t speak about what preparations the Devils broadcast had for their show. I can only speak about what work was done for the Canes broadcast. Bleed, did the Devils broadcast actually show the video, or did they just show his reaction to it and the ovation?

I’m assuming both broadcasts had access to the tribute video beforehand (because showing it off the Jumbotron feed is low quality). And both broadcasts recorded the ovation and Pesce reaction, as you’d expect them to do. The Canes broadcast also added an infographic to their package, basically showing the career numbers for Pesce during his time here. No idea if New Jersey did the same.

But basically this is all to say, I believe the Canes broadcast put more work into their tribute than New Jersey did, which would be the main reason why it wouldn’t hit the air as quickly as the Jersey feed did. It’s also possible that sponsors (which take priority over everything else) may have delayed the tribute, but that’s something that’s usually taken into account during the preproduction phase, so it’s unlikely, but not impossble.

 

[bleedgreen]

Wasn’t a factor here. The Canes broadcast did show the tribute, the ovation and the Pesce reaction. It wasn’t live, because as @bleedgreen said, the in-house tribute happened during the commercial break.

I can’t speak about what preparations the Devils broadcast had for their show. I can only speak about what work was done for the Canes broadcast. Bleed, did the Devils broadcast actually show the video, or did they just show his reaction to it and the ovation?

I’m assuming both broadcasts had access to the tribute video beforehand (because showing it off the Jumbotron feed is low quality). And both broadcasts recorded the ovation and Pesce reaction, as you’d expect them to do. The Canes broadcast also added an infographic to their package, basically showing the career numbers for Pesce during his time here. No idea if New Jersey did the same.

But basically this is all to say, I believe the Canes broadcast put more work into their tribute than New Jersey did, which would be the main reason why it wouldn’t hit the air as quickly as the Jersey feed did. It’s also possible that sponsors (which take priority over everything else) may have delayed the tribute, but that’s something that’s usually taken into account during the preproduction phase, so it’s unlikely, but not impossble.

The Devils came back from commercial and went straight to a crowd shot on the back half of their standing ovation to him that was clearly already going on during the break, then focused on him standing there with his stick in the air waving at them. It was post video and they didn’t show the video. They had a graphic showing that he had the best plus minus season in team history and made a trivia question out of who he was tied with (Slavin). Talked about him coming home a bit. 12:38 left in the period they went to commercial break and that’s what happened when they came back and were delayed with the door.

Canes broadcast at the same exact break came back and the crowd was finishing cheering and they didn’t say anything about why or show Pesce and instead talked about Slavin/Burns during the delay. I stuck around a little longer and after a few game minutes later on Tripp mentioned there had been a tribute quickly when there was a Pesce approaching the faceoff shot - then quickly went back to the game. I went back to the Devils feed at that point. I figured there was a chance at some point they’d show it all, but knowing it had happened live and they didn’t acknowledge or show the moment as it was going on was nonsensical to me and I was over it. I don’t think they were showing a recording of the moment at all on the devils broadcast. Very much looked live as it bled into the door delay.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The Devils came back from commercial and went straight to a crowd shot on the back half of their standing ovation to him that was clearly already going on during the break, then focused on him standing there with his stick in the air waving at them. It was post video and they didn’t show the video. They had a graphic showing that he had the best plus minus season in team history and made a trivia question out of who he was tied with (Slavin). Talked about him coming home a bit. 12:38 left in the period they went to commercial break and that’s what happened when they came back and were delayed with the door.

Canes broadcast at the same exact break came back and the crowd was finishing cheering and they didn’t say anything about why or show Pesce and instead talked about Slavin/Burns during the delay. I stuck around a little longer and after a few game minutes later on Tripp mentioned there had been a tribute quickly when there was a Pesce approaching the faceoff shot - then quickly went back to the game. I went back to the Devils feed at that point. I figured there was a chance at some point they’d show it all, but knowing it had happened live and they didn’t acknowledge or show the moment as it was going on was nonsensical to me and I was over it. I don’t think they were showing a recording of the moment at all on the devils broadcast. Very much looked live as it bled into the door delay.

The magic of television. You'd probably be surprised how much is passed off as live that's recorded from earlier.

And yeah, if the Devils didn't show the video, that would explain the difference in the two broadcasts. Like I said, the Canes broadcast showed a short highlight video of Pesce's time here, showed the ovation from the crowd and Pesce skating and raising his stick, then followed it up with a full screen infographic (instead of a box infographic that might be put over live video, for example) of his time in Carolina. Then obviously, Mike and Tripp discussed him for a bit.

That kind of thing takes a bit to splice together, and then once it's put together, there needs to be enough time between the broadcast resuming and the faceoff to show the entire package, which usually means after a commercial break for longer packages (mostly because they have set times on when we KNOW we're supposed to begin play again, as opposed to another kind of stoppage, which entirely depends on when the refs decide to drop the puck).

Like I said, there was nothing malicious about the delay last night. Pesce is still very much beloved by those in the organization and no one blames him to leaving for Jersey. The only thing that might occasionally come up is if he has a great game, the Canes broadcast can't openly praise him too much. That applies to most opposing players, but former Canes have a shorter leash before the production truck might get a call that basically says "Enough, move on to something else"

 

[Borsig]

Per @Blueline Bomber in the GDT on Friday, they have been explicitly ordered to not focus on those guys (Noesen and especially Pesce) at all because those with sway in the front office are bitter they are gone

So are the fans. You focused on an entitled bitch, then screwed around over like .5 mil on him then lost the guys you should have been focusing on. Hamiltons ask was a joke. TT - eh.

Guys you should have kept but didnt over the last few seasons -
Noesen
Pesce
Skjei
Neiderrider.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

So are the fans. You focused on an entitled bitch, then screwed around over like .5 mil on him then lost the guys you should have been focusing on. Hamiltons ask was a joke. TT - eh.

Guys you should have kept but didnt over the last few seasons -
Noesen
Pesce
Skjei
Neiderrider.

So if we had re-signed Noesen, Pesce and Skjei to their new contracts, first of all, who are we letting go? Because that's a big chunk of change we're adding to our cap compared to their last season with us.

Second, you're basically advocating to run it back with the same group that has, unfortunately, failed to get over the hump the last few times we've had the opportunity. At some point, something has to change. I'm also willing to bet if I go back and look at your posts from around April-June of last season, I'll find a few advocating letting Pesce and/or Skjei walk.

 

[Borsig]

Sidebar -
Haula is maybe the biggest little in the league while still being useless. I hope someone blasts him into the next material plane at some point and I hope it happens in the PNC. What an absolute . Same goes for Meier who seems literally like a zero personality NPC plug

 

[Svechhammer]

Sidebar -
Haula is maybe the biggest little in the league while still being useless. I hope someone blasts him into the next material plane at some point and I hope it happens in the PNC. What an absolute . Same goes for Meier who seems literally like a zero personality NPC plug

Hey hey hey, Orlov put it best



We don't need to be advocating making his family any smaller than it already is

 

[Borsig]

So if we had re-signed Noesen, Pesce and Skjei to their new contracts, first of all, who are we letting go? Because that's a big chunk of change we're adding to our cap compared to their last season with us.

Second, you're basically advocating to run it back with the same group that has, unfortunately, failed to get over the hump the last few times we've had the opportunity. At some point, something has to change. I'm also willing to bet if I go back and look at your posts from around April-June of last season, I'll find a few advocating letting Pesce and/or Skjei walk.

I always said we should be keeping one of two of them and I've never wavered from that.
Tt was meh to me other than his ability to make aho happy and we don't have the cap space for coddling a guy who is supposed to be our top star.
When it came out that we probably could have had pesh for around 5m I said it was stupid to not have kept him, but six years would have been a tougher pull. I don't know how his game will age over years 5-6. But we absolutely should have kept him. Skjei is making bank in TN cause he pays zero income tax on that 7m that we couldn't afford with Orlov’s 8 on the books. We can't compete there.

Pesce is paying over 10% on his salary in NJ. It's 4.5 in nc. Same with Noesen. Noesen makes 2.75..

Both of those guys went in division, for frankly great deals. Factor in the tax delta and were stupid for letting them walk to the biggest threat in the metro for the next 5 years. Especially noesen who was basically our only net front tough guy with balls and a measure of skill.

Noesen was really really stupid to walk away from and you should have taken the contract for pesce or Skjei. The way it played out you would have been smart to keep pesh, grab gost, and keep noesen.

Nosen at 2.5 or carrier at 2? Seriously? And we probably could have had nosen for less than NJ got him because of the tax implications.

And we just handed them to the biggest threat in the division. Woof.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Carrier’s an odd call out, since he’s slid into Noesen’s role next to Staal pretty perfectly. That line has, consistently, been our best line since we put those three together. And 2 million is a steal for that. Six years is a little iffy, especially since we have no idea what’s going to happen when Staal (eventually) retires, but I have no complaints about Carrier once we stopped trying to fit him in the Top 6

 

[Borsig]

Carrier’s an odd call out, since he’s slid into Noesen’s role next to Staal pretty perfectly. That line has, consistently, been our best line since we put those three together. And 2 million is a steal for that. Six years is a little iffy, especially since we have no idea what’s going to happen when Staal (eventually) retires, but I have no complaints about Carrier once we stopped trying to fit him in the Top 6

I don't have complaints on him either other than noesen was the better buy for essentially the same price.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Hey hey hey, Orlov put it best



We don't need to be advocating making his family any smaller than it already is

I… think this is too far for a hockey feud…

 

[Borsig]

I… think this is too far for a hockey feud…

Was this after Haula tried to injure him? And after Meier tried to end nachos year?

 

[chaz4hockey]

So I started watching the Jersey feed to watch the game late, after a commercial break they came back to show an emotional moment of Pesce getting the end of an ovation after they showed a video commemorating his career. The Devils announcers talked about him and his time here, top notch respect and focused on him as a Cane not a Devil. He gave the crowd a wave, great moment and hats off to the Devils feed for showing it and having a talk about it.

Switched to our feed and went back to the same moment to see more of that. They came back from commercial break and didn’t mention the moment that happened at all, just talked about Slavin and Burns while showing Slavin on the bench. Nothing else, no Pesce shot at all while he was standing by himself out on the ice having his moment. It was when the door was broken a bit into the first period.

That’s crap. I don’t care if they eventually said something or not. I don’t know because I left our feed because of it. How do you not acknowledge that moment as it’s happening? On the Canes feed people were still clapping and they don’t say why or show Pesce at all?!?

Woof. Eff whoever’s decision that was. I don’t care if people are sore about how he left behind scenes or whatever the excuse was. He was a huge part of this team. If the rink is giving him a moment people at home should be privy to it.

My wife who isn’t the cynical type said Canes broadcast focus on how great Slavin-Burns are together this year was a direct result of the partnership getting public criticism for their poor play ( ie Henkel xGo post and Gold comments). lol-she called it Canes propaganda.

I’d add, homerism aside re: Meier and Haula calls, Devils broadcast is far superior to Canes production. They show more numerous angles of key plays and stayed with the controversial plays in the 3rd versus Canes broadcast going to commercial (never saw refs confirm the major, KK actions).

 

[chaz4hockey]

Per @Blueline Bomber in the GDT on Friday, they have been explicitly ordered to not focus on those guys (Noesen and especially Pesce) at all because those with sway in the front office are bitter they are gone

It’s a business and Canes mgt. track record is to squeeze $$$ from suppliers or key players/support personnel too

Tulsky (or Dundon) are that thin skinned to ”not focus on” Pesce (in particular although Noesen was a long termish player too) is a bad look!

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Carrier’s an odd call out, since he’s slid into Noesen’s role next to Staal pretty perfectly. That line has, consistently, been our best line since we put those three together. And 2 million is a steal for that. Six years is a little iffy, especially since we have no idea what’s going to happen when Staal (eventually) retires, but I have no complaints about Carrier once we stopped trying to fit him in the Top 6

While I agree with you about Carrier fittng in on that line very well, that was never Noesen's role. Fast was in that role last year until he got injured late in the season, followed by Jarvis, Svech and TT. Noesen only spent 31 minutes 5v5 in total with Staal last year out of 820 min. played.

Noesen was primarily on the 4th line with either Drury (387 min) or KK (311 min) for the majority of the season as well as on the 2nd PP. He was only getting 11:52 TOI/GP in Carolina, of which about 1:20 was PP time.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

While I agree with you about Carrier fittng in on that line very well, that was never Noesen's role. Fast was in that role last year until he got injured late in the season, followed by Jarvis, Svech and TT. Noesen only spent 31 minutes 5v5 in total with Staal last year out of 820 min. played.

Noesen was primarily on the 4th line with either Drury (387 min) or KK (311 min) for the majority of the season as well as on the 2nd PP. He was only getting 11:52 TOI/GP in Carolina.

Right, I always got him and Noesen mixed up. And to be honest, I completely forgot about Fast.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Right, I always got him and Noesen mixed up. And to be honest, I completely forgot about Fast.

In NJ, he's getting 15:36 TOI/GP and 2:38 PP TOI/GP.
5v5 his linemates are: Haula (215), Cotter (195), Meier (177), Hischier (175).

So he's in a different role in NJ playing with better players and doing quite well with it. His SH% is probably not sustainable, but he's still having a great season.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I’d add, homerism aside re: Meier and Haula calls, Devils broadcast is far superior to Canes production. They show more numerous angles of key plays and stayed with the controversial plays in the 3rd versus Canes broadcast going to commercial (never saw refs confirm the major, KK actions).

The Canes producer wasn't happy about that. Typically, commerical breaks are allowed to be somewhat delayed when waiting for a call like that, but if it's thought it might take too long, commercials come first. Both broadcasts were given the OK to go to break and then like 10 seconds after that OK, the refs announce the call in-arena.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

One other thing. The role Noesen is playing in NJ is similar to the role Roslovic is playing here in Carolina except Roslovic is getting less PP time. So if one wants to make a comparison, it's not Carrier vs. Noesen, it's Roslovic vs. Noesen. Carrier essentially replaced Fast.

Roslovic: 16G, 24P in 35 games (2 PP points)
Noesen: 16G, 26P in 39 games (10 PP points)

Roslovic is making $2.8M. Noesen is making $2.75M

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

We got the best years out of Pesce and ran some significant tread off those tires. Let NJ pay for the result of that and his subsequent declining years. I think that contract will age poorly. We shall see.
That goes for Brady too.
Noesen and Chatty were the 2 players on my "keep" wishlist. We got 1 of them.