Confirmed with Link: Devils acquire Vitek Vanecek and 46th Overall pick from WSH for 37th Overall pick and 70th Overall pick

[Bleedred]

If Vanecek doesn't fare too well here, then I think Rogalski is gone after this year. Blackwood's plummet coincided with us bringing him in.

I'm not saying it's because of him, but when we fired Melanson we were fixing one area of the organization that wasn't broken and didn't need to be fooled with.

Blackwood played good goal under Melanson. Cory started falling apart and was basically broken by the time Melanson came through the door. Remember, that's why Melanson was brought here in the first place. To try and revive Cory after his first down year. He really shouldn't have been tossed because Cory was out. Kinkaid even had his best year in the NHL under Melanson. He also had his worst, but that's what you get when you ask Keith Kinkaid to play 60+ games in less than a year. He wasn't capable and he was nearing his NHL shelf life which is right on cue around 30 years old for that type of goalie.

That said, if Vanecek doesn't perform so well in 50-60 games, maybe these things get forgiven. He may not play as well if forced to play that many games, but if Blackwood plays like he did the last two years he'll probably play that much. Then again maybe he won't, as I worry Ruff will give Blackwood a longer rope than he should.

 

[Team Concept]

I wonder if we were allowed to talk to Husso and we did and he wanted $4.75 million and we were like f*** that. Because within 30 minutes of him being traded and extended by Detroit we made this trade.

Whatever poster said Husso was gonna get $4-$5 million, who I scoffed at (sorry I forgot who it was), well the joke is on me.

I NEVER thought he'd get THAT much. Not even close!

What the f*** makes Husso worth that much? He's had one good year and one HORRIFIC year in the NHL. He's already 27.

When Campbell and Kuemper see that they're gonna be thinking ''How is that guy worth that much? He's been in the league for 2 years and he absolutely blew in his first year. If he's worth $4.75 million for 3 years then I'm definitely worth $6 million for 5-6 years or even $7 million per''.

I think that might have been me, but I thought it was in reference to Blackwood if had an very good season prior to another RFA contract coming up.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Chico made sure to emphasize multiple times that one of the great things about Vanecek is he has been able to stay healthy.

 

[Bleedred]

I think that might have been me, but I thought it was in reference to Blackwood if had an very good season prior to another RFA contract coming up.

Was it you or somebody else who said something about Husso wanting $5 million from us and that he'd probably take less, but we'd have to pay him $4-$5 million to come here? And I said I can't see him getting that much and he did get close to $5 million.

I wonder if that's because it's Detroit? Kind of like when Matt Murray got $6 million from Ottawa a couple years ago? ''Okay, if you're gonna make me come here then you better give me $6 per!'',

 

[Homedresser]

Guaranteed they don't come out of the season like that.

they have $9.5M committed to goalies already this year. Can't see mgt investing anymore into the position next season. Maybe a 750k injury stop gap.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

they have $9.5M committed to goalies already this year. Can't see mgt investing anymore into the position next season. Maybe a 750k injury stop gap.

I mean they will not be even split 1A and 1B. Someone's gonna be the 1 and someone's gonna be the 2.

 

[NJDevs26]

Was it you or somebody else who said something about Husso wanting $5 million from us and that he'd probably take less, but we'd have to pay him $4-$5 million to come here? And I said I can't see him getting that much and he did get close to $5 million.

I wonder if that's because it's Detroit? Kind of like when Matt Murray got $6 million from Ottawa a couple years ago? ''Okay, if you're gonna make me come here then you better give me $6 per!'',

And a no-trade, where I can nix it if you want to banish me to Buffalo!

 

[BananaGenetics]

If Vanecek doesn't fare too well here, then I think Rogalski is gone after this year. Blackwood's plummet coincided with us bringing him in.

I'm not saying it's because of him, but when we fired Melanson we were fixing one area of the organization that wasn't broken and didn't need to be fooled with.

Blackwood played good goal under Melanson. Cory started falling apart and was basically broken by the time Melanson came through the door. Remember, that's why Melanson was brought here in the first place. To try and revive Cory after his first down year. He really shouldn't have been tossed because Cory was out. Kinkaid even had his best year in the NHL under Melanson. He also had his worst, but that's what you get when you ask Keith Kinkaid to play 60+ games in less than a year. He wasn't capable and he was nearing his NHL shelf life which is right on cue around 30 years old for that type of goalie.

That said, if Vanecek doesn't perform so well in 50-60 games, maybe these things get forgiven. He may not play as well if forced to play that many games, but if Blackwood plays like he did the last two years he'll probably play that much. Then again maybe he won't, as I worry Ruff will give Blackwood a longer rope than he should.

Could be that instructions from management are to play both as 50/50 except when one is playing really well. So in terms of leashes, maybe the leash will be moreso at seasons end/trade deadline time, and if a move is to be made involving either or.

Id prefer Blackwood start ~50 games

 

[Bleedred]

Could be that instructions from management are to play both as 50/50 except when one is playing really well. So in terms of leashes, maybe the leash will be moreso at seasons end/trade deadline time, and if a move is to be made involving either or.

Id prefer Blackwood start ~50 games

If there's instructions from management that both need to split 50/50 unless one is playing ''Really well'' then they need to GTFO and stop meddling.

Playing too much Blackwood (or really any of the wrong goalie) is only gonna get them fired quicker and they already have one shit stain smear on their resume because of Blackwood/goalies last year. And maybe even the first year, but that was a shortened season.

 

[BananaGenetics]

If there's instructions from management that both need to split 50/50 unless one is playing ''Really well'' then they need to GTFO and stop meddling.

Playing too much Blackwood (or really any of the wrong goalie) is only gonna get them fired quicker and they already have one shit stain smear on their resume because of Blackwood/goalies last year. And maybe even the first year, but that was a shortened season.

Well if theyre playing really well then what foes it matter, right? Lol

Essentially its letting the two fight for the starter role next year. If one becomes good for us quicker and maintains, theyll probably play 45-50 games. Shit luck for the other but thatd mean we can compete for a playoff spot so, tough shit lol

 

[glenwo2]

TG, who covers the Caps now, flat out said the Caps don't make the playoffs the last two years without Vaneck

Did the NHL demote him or something?

 

[My3Sons]

If Vanecek doesn't fare too well here, then I think Rogalski is gone after this year. Blackwood's plummet coincided with us bringing him in.

I'm not saying it's because of him, but when we fired Melanson we were fixing one area of the organization that wasn't broken and didn't need to be fooled with.

Blackwood played good goal under Melanson. Cory started falling apart and was basically broken by the time Melanson came through the door. Remember, that's why Melanson was brought here in the first place. To try and revive Cory after his first down year. He really shouldn't have been tossed because Cory was out. Kinkaid even had his best year in the NHL under Melanson. He also had his worst, but that's what you get when you ask Keith Kinkaid to play 60+ games in less than a year. He wasn't capable and he was nearing his NHL shelf life which is right on cue around 30 years old for that type of goalie.

That said, if Vanecek doesn't perform so well in 50-60 games, maybe these things get forgiven. He may not play as well if forced to play that many games, but if Blackwood plays like he did the last two years he'll probably play that much. Then again maybe he won't, as I worry Ruff will give Blackwood a longer rope than he should.

Is Rogalski a friend of Brodeur's from StL? If so, he may have some immunity.

 

[Bleedred]

Is Rogalski a friend of Brodeur's from StL? If so, he may have some immunity.

I'm not sure how great of friends they are, but Marty said in a podcast a few months back that they put together a goalie committee with him, Scott Clemmensen and a few other guys and decided to make a ''Clean sweep'' of the goalie coaching position (confirming Melanson was let go) and hired Rogalski from St. Louis.

I don't know how close they are, but they obviously know each other from the St. Louis days.

 

[Bleedred]

Peeping Vanecek's AHL stats (he spent more time in the AHL than Blackwood) he did have one pretty brutal season like Blackwood did where he had an .888% in 32 games. It was actually in 17-18, the same year of Blackwood's .882% in 32 games.

Vanecek has a .906% career AHL save percentage, which isn't very good, but still SIGNIFICANTLY better than Blackwood's career .897% in the AHL.

Blackwood's best season in the AHL was a .907%, while Vanecek had a .917% season in the AHL in 19-20. He actually got better in the AHL after that horrible season. Blackwood still wasn't great the year after his horrid season in the AHL, but he was good in the NHL that next year.

 

[SKNJD9]

What's realistic for Vanny ? 3 x 3.75 ?

 

[Its Always Sundstrom]

 

[Mgd31]

What's realistic for Vanny ? 3 x 3.75 ?

I think closer to a 3.0 AAV on a 3 year deal

 

[Guttersniped]

I think closer to a 3.0 AAV on a 3 year deal

Evolving Hockey has Vanecek up for more money than Husso. (This is the first year the model included goalies.)

They also guessed Husso at 4 years/4.962m as the most likely (34%) contract but had 3 years at 4.514m. He got 3 years/4.75m. So they got close.

This is with UFA set at Different Team
1 year/3.265m (12%)
2 years/3.628m (11%)
3 years/4.514m (7%)
4 years/4.962m (34%)
5 years/4.827m (9%)
6 years/4.556m (22%)
7 years/4.992m (4%)

This is with UFA set at Same Team
1 year/3.592m (13%)
2 years/4.055m (15%)
3 years/4.904m (10%)
4 years/5.183m (18%)
5 years/5.243m (8%)
6 years/5.057m (26%)
7 years/5.231m (7%)


Fleury ended up being much cheaper then their estimate, 2 years/5.28m (33%) vs 2 year/3.5m but I guess he wanted to play there enough to take pity on the cap crunched team. The model had 1 year at 4.319m (19%).
That’s UFA with the same team. With a different team:
1 year/4.187m (26%)
2 years/4.706m (30%)

Casey DeSmith also ended up on a cheaper deal than the estimate, 2 years/2.45m (44%) vs 2 years/1.8m. The model had 1 year at 1.89m (22%).
That’s UFA with the same team. With a different team:
1 year/1.906m (22%)
2 years/2.664m (37%)

Even Scott Wedgewood was estimated at more, 2 years/2.205m (37%) vs 2 years/1m. The model had 1 year at 1.402m (36%).
That’s UFA with the same team. With a different team:
1 year/1.424m (41%)
2 years/2.045m (43%)


Anyhoo, back to Vanecek.
This is with RFA set at Different Team
1 year/3.594m (7%)
2 years/4.372m (10%)
3 years/5.172m (3%)
4 years/5.354m (66%)
5 years/5.632m (11%)
6 years/5.066m (3%)
7 years/5.219m (0%)

This is with RFA set at Same Team
1 year/3.603m (11%)
2 years/3.995m (14%)
3 years/5.038m (7%)
4 years/5.341m (47%)
5 years/5.612m (9%)
6 years/5.103m (5%)
7 years/5.239m (1%)

It will be interesting to see how how their goalie model does when some more guys start signing longer deals. (Hopefully Vanacek is cheaper lol.)

 

[JrFischer54]

the Devils thought their rebuild was done in 2018 or so...obviously they were wrong. Rebuild version 2 electric bugaloo didnt really start until guys like Hall and Palms were moved.



Vanacek was one of the best 5 on 5 goalies in the NHL last year

I am not sure there was a guy available that would 100% "fix" the goaltending in 2022-23, but this move certainly helps. You're being dense is you say otherwise.

Just stop there is Noway this team or anyone on here should’ve thought the rebuild was over. Or if you did then I have a bridge to sell you good lord.

I mean. What else was going to happen in 2015 when they had the oldest roster in the league, up against the cap, worst prospect pool, and a low amount of draft picks? Seriously, so many of you underestimate how bad of a spot we were in.

Shit takes time. The fact they made the playoffs in 2018 is a f***ing miracle.

Ok yeah so you agree it’s year 9 of rebuild 2.0?

 

[NjDevsRR]

Just stop there is Noway this team or anyone on here should’ve thought the rebuild was over. Or if you did then I have a bridge to sell you good lord.


Ok yeah so you agree it’s year 9 of rebuild 2.0?

The true ground up rebuild didn’t start til 2015-2016 season.


15-16
16-17
17-18
18-19
19-20
20-21
21-22

We are still on season 7 until 22-23 begins. 7 seasons seems about right for where we were. I once posted a long time ago when Shero took over that I was shooting for 2021 for the rebuild to be over. So I knew it would take long.

And you harping on 9 years of rebuilding is just the perfect way of showing what the state of this franchise was at. Yes, up to a decade would have been needed if we didn’t luck into Jack and Nico. Idk why this is so shocking and disgusting to some when it was obvious back in 15 that this would take a while. The status of the roster, prospect pool and number of picks back in 2015 was f***ing laughable, miserable, disgusting, sad, pathetic, revolting, A DISGRACE. How some on here downplay that is absolutely amazing to me. And of course we had a prime Schneider that kept us from the generational talents because he masked how poorly our shit rosters were for year after year which prolonged this even more. It was the perfect shitstorm left by Lou. (who I love and I admire). Then made a tiny bit longer by Ray for trying to do a retool in 2017-2019, but he didn’t hurt the cap while increasing the talent of the prospect pool. Fitz was given a golden plate while Ray was given shit.

Idk how any of this can be debated

 

[JrFischer54]

TG, who covers the Caps now, flat out said the Caps don't make the playoffs the last two years without Vaneck

I mean the same could be said for kinkaid our playoff year and how did that turn out ?

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Just stop there is Noway this team or anyone on here should’ve thought the rebuild was over. Or if you did then I have a bridge to sell you good lord.


Ok yeah so you agree it’s year 9 of rebuild 2.0?

I'm not saying that I did. I'm saying it's kind of obvious Shero did. Or at least he thought it was close.

 

[Bleedred]

I mean the same could be said for kinkaid our playoff year and how did that turn out ?

Keith Kinkaid is one of those goalies that’s expiration date in the NHL is around 30 years old. And he hit his expiration date right around 30 years old.

Is it a given that Vanecek’s career doesn’t follow a similar trajectory? Certainly not.

But he has a much higher ceiling than Kinkaid ever did. Keith Kinkaid never had starting goalie potential and Vanecek does. I know at least one poster thought he had starting potential though, even after he was in the AHL to stay.

In fact, I think that playoff year was a career high in NHL games played for Kinkaid. It was either that year or the next year when he absolutely bombed.

The playoff year (when Kinkaid was 28 years old) was the first year that he appeared in more than 26 games in a season and had more than 23 starts in a season.

 

[JrFischer54]

I'm not saying that I did. I'm saying it's kind of obvious Shero did. Or at least he thought it was close.

How did Shero do that trading for pk?

 

[Devs3cups]

How did Shero do that trading for pk?

Trading/signing Gusev and giving up assets for Grabner and Maroon at the 2017 deadline are prime examples. Subban also counts. If he didn’t think this team could compete he wouldn’t have made those moves.