Confirmed with Link: Devils acquire Vitek Vanecek and 46th Overall pick from WSH for 37th Overall pick and 70th Overall pick

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Bringing in a crappy goalie doesn't solve our goalie issues. .908 is league average? This is no better than Blackwood.

League average this year was .907. Last year was .908. Blackwood's last 2 years was .902 and .892. I mean do you guys ever even bother to fact check anything at all or do you just ignorantly bitch to bitch?

I think he can bounce back too.

I don't think he will though.

To a point he may, but I am an atheist when it comes to believing in him as our goalie of the future anymore.

I think he has a better chance than Cory did after his first couple of poor years, but that's only based on the fact that he's 25 years old and 32 years old.

At the same time, I can never see this guy being as good as the pre-decline Cory. The last couple of years he's been every bit as bad as the Cory Schneider of his 30's and even worse than 41 year old Brodeur. The only other thing he has going for him is that he's only been bad 55 games (Which is almost HALF of his NHL career to date) but not 120 games like Cory by the time we finally moved on.

Him never having been as good as Cory pre decline doesn't mean there's a less of a chance of him not being good ever again, my point is that he's probably gonna be an average goalie at the very best.

If he toss him next offseason he'll probably be in the league another few years regardless, because the NHL LOVES to recycle goalies for years. He can have 3-4 more bad years and probably get one more year out of his NHL career. The Blue Jackets keep bringing back Korpisalo who's had one good season in 7 years (his rookie year) in the NHL and guys like Martin Jones still get signed. Craig Anderson got brought back again, etc.

I mean almost no one ever has a chance to be as good as pre decline Cory. He was f***ing absurd. I'm really not going to worry about Blackwood's next deal. If he plays well and bounces back then he'll deserve the deal. If he doesn't then he'll be gone and won't get the deal.
 

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Bringing in a crappy goalie doesn't solve our goalie issues. .908 is league average? This is no better than Blackwood.
In the two years Vanecek has been in the NHL, yes, it has been league average.

League average in 20-21 was .908%, league average in 21-22 was .907%.

Blackwood's career average is .907%, but that's skewed by his first two .918% and .915% years in the league.

Blackwood's last two years is a whole percent lower at .898% and that's being propped up by his first 5 games of 20-21 which were .945%. He's since been an .893% since the opening 5 games of 20-21. That's utterly putrid. Only Jon Gillies and Andrew Hammond are jealous of that. Maybe Louis Domingue too.
 

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Does it really matter which guy is which? But in order they're Vanecek, Georgiev and Husso, the career numbers for all three guys who got traded this week. Are the career numbers for Campbell and Kuemper slightly better than all of those guys? Sure, is that worth the major long-term deals both guys are looking for and getting into a bidding war for them? Probably not.
 

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League average this year was .907. Last year was .908. Blackwood's last 2 years was .902 and .892. I mean do you guys ever even bother to fact check anything at all or do you just ignorantly bitch to bitch?



I mean almost no one ever has a chance to be as good as pre decline Cory. He was f***ing absurd. I'm really not going to worry about Blackwood's next deal. If he plays well and bounces back then he'll deserve the deal. If he doesn't then he'll be gone and won't get the deal.
Part of me is skeptical they'll let him walk as an RFA in 2023, but I also don't think they'll wanna pay him what they're paying him now (or actually more) if he has another bad season.
 

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tbh I think Kuemper is being slighted because of his poor playoffs, which probably is explained by his eye injury

in the regular season he has been a top 3-5 goalie the past few years. Not saying I want to give him 6x6 or anything but yeah
 

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tbh I think Kuemper is being slighted because of his poor playoffs, which probably is explained by his eye injury

in the regular season he has been a top 3-5 goalie the past few years. Not saying I want to give him 6x6 or anything but yeah
That and the fact Colorado's letting him walk after winning a Cup. They let Grubauer walk after a fine season last year too (and pretty good career splits in general) and...that didn't work out so well for the Kraken.
 
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It's a good deal, full stop. Cost is incredibly low, upside is solid if unspectacular, and in terms of the overall roster it's a good allocation of resources in a salary cap world. A ton of us spent last year just praying we could even have "league average" goaltending, and that's something we should now have, with some upside to be a bit better, and with the continued growth of the young forwards and the graduation of some more prospects, especially on the blue line, it's what they need.

Obviously it'd be great to acquire someone who's got All Star potential, but goalie in the NHL currently is starting to feel a bit more like catchers currently in MLB: there just aren't really that many difference makers out there, so trading for one/signing one in free agency becomes a risk, which places a premium on drafting and developing your own.

The ones who are difference makers? Teams that drafted/developed them aren't trading them for anything less than a king's ransom, and if they make it to free agency they'll command a big, fat contract (e.g. the Phillies signing J.T. Realmuto for catcher)...which isn't necessarily a bad thing to spend on, but it's a physically taxing position where careers tend to trend downward quicker than you'd hope, so signing a guy around age 30 and hoping he'll still be great through age 36 is a big time roll of the dice.

In that situation, build up the team around that spot, continue trying to draft/develop your own internal solution, but in the meantime don't fret if you need someone who's more of a band-aid solution than a long term fix. I don't think there's a difference maker goalie out there who wouldn't cost the Devils way too much right now, either in terms of useful young talent or in terms of cap space that's about to become a lot more important as more of the roster gets to its mid-20s, so I'm down for this.

On Blackwood: I don't get the desire to chuck him overboard. Believe me, his petulance last year over getting his prookles infuriated me, but saying "it's every year with this guy" ignores what his specific issues were: COVID in 2020, a heel injury that didn't repair properly in 2021. That's really it. That doesn't make him injury prone, it's just shit that happens sometimes to pro athletes, especially during a global pandemic. If you can get someone better than him at a reasonable cost, by all means explore it, but otherwise I don't think we're at all at "sunk cost fallacy" stages with him this year if they want to give him one more chance to prove his worth, be it to the Devils or on the trade market.
 
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Part of me is skeptical they'll let him walk as an RFA in 2023, but I also don't think they'll wanna pay him what they're paying him now (or actually more) if he has another bad season.

If he's bad again I see no way he's back. The past 2 years there's the injury thing which I think legitimately might have mattered and it's worth giving him another shot to see if he can reach the high ceiling that people believe exists. If he's bad this year whether it's due to injuries or just his play I don't think it'll matter and he'll be gone. They know goaltending is the thing holding this team back. They're not going to go back to him again if it fails this year.
 
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tbh I think Kuemper is being slighted because of his poor playoffs, which probably is explained by his eye injury

in the regular season he has been a top 3-5 goalie the past few years. Not saying I want to give him 6x6 or anything but yeah
The fact that Colorado decided to just move from him seems to indicate that Kuemper is looking for a big contract.

Is he the best goalie available? Of course. But I wouldn't want Fitz to invest big money in him either. Especially after the eye injury.
 

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I have this sneaky suspicion management has soured on Blackwood. It would not surprise me if they jettisoned him. I can still see them getting in on Kuemper. Devils can afford to wrap up 6 mil over 3 years, no? I know Severson and Siegenthaler are in line for raises next year but seems doable to me…unless they plan on going hard in free agency. I like Kuemper….he’s a quality, underrated goaltender and would stabilize the position. All the other options, including the goalie the traded for today, are not proven entities. Not inclined to hope Blackwood returns to form (I liked the kid a lot but my opinion has changed)….hope is not a strategy. A compete overhaul at the goalie position is just what the doctor ordered. There’s more work to do here, IMHO.
 
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I was pro Chelsy pick guy, and we would have a great option to pick great talent in the third round. It`s painful to lose this kind of chance.

But I understand situation. Vanecek is reliable goalie and the things are go on the side, where we will have no option on the market. Vanecek isn`t the best candidate, but on my taste he was pretty regular in his results. I`m afraid if Blackwood isn`t NHL goalie, I`m not ready to believe that Vanecek is a guy to play 50+ games this season. But is Husso that kind of guy? I don`t think so.
Understand the trade, fair value. We traded RFA 26 yo goalie for the third round pick and 9 positions in second round. I`m absolutely ok with this. And I will be ok, if Fitz will continue to make new decisions and moves on the goalie market if good opportunity is available.
 

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The fact alone that this move makes us safe from a Jack Campbell signing makes it a good, good, good deal.

I have this sneaky suspicion management has soured on Blackwood. It would not surprise me if they jettisoned him. I can still see them getting in on Kuemper. Devils can afford to wrap up 6 mil over 3 years, no? I know Severson and Siegenthaler are in line for raises next year but seems doable to me…unless they plan on going hard in free agency. I like Kuemper….he’s a quality, underrated goaltender and would stabilize the position. All the other options, including the goalie the traded for today, are not proven entities. Not inclined to hope Blackwood returns to form (I liked the kid a lot but my opinion has changed)….hope is not a strategy. A compete overhaul at the goalie position is just what the doctor ordered. There’s more work to do here, IMHO.
Toronto, with zero NHL goalies on the roster atm with Mrazek traded and Campbell walking, are said to be in on MBW. Given Dubas' absolutely terrible record of being fleeced in trades, I wouldn't mind sending him there.
 
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Does it really matter which guy is which? But in order they're Vanecek, Georgiev and Husso, the career numbers for all three guys who got traded this week. Are the career numbers for Campbell and Kuemper slightly better than all of those guys? Sure, is that worth the major long-term deals both guys are looking for and getting into a bidding war for them? Probably not.
Honestly, I like the Vanecek thing more than Husso.

I don't know why I never thought of him as an option, especially with Washington saying they'll be looking for goalie help this offseason.

A couple people threw Samsonov's name out there as a suggestion after they said that, which I was dead against. He's basically another Blackwood, only he hasn't even performed as well as him in their careers. I guess I figured they might keep Vanecek and deal Samsonov, but I shouldn't be surprised as Samsonov is a former first round pick and has a higher ceiling, even if he's looking like he won't reach it.

Husso was propped up by his most recent season. His first season was every bit as bad as Blackwood's this past year. Husso was better than Vanecek this past season by quite a bit, but he was also worse than Vanecek in 20-21 by just as much. And both have only played in the league at all in these last two seasons. Vanecek has played 22 more games in the regular season.
 

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The fact alone that this move makes us safe from a Jack Campbell signing makes it a good, good, good deal.


Toronto, with zero NHL goalies on the roster atm with Mrazek traded and Campbell walking, are said to be in on MBW. Given Dubas' absolutely terrible record of being fleeced in trades, I wouldn't mind sending him there.
I like your thinking! Edmonton and Buffalo are two other teams in the goalie market to have an eye on.
 

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Just glancing at numbers I don't really believe Husso would be the better choice, and Vaneck is also going to be cheaper.

Going by the rumored Edmonton offer, Campbell was not going to be worth it.

Kuempher is also going to command a long deal he most likely isn't worth. You got questions around his eye and why Colorado is so willing to just let him walk. Then he has to actually want to sign here. He is going to have options, including teams in win now mode. Why come here barring a massive overpay from us when other contender teams are desperate for a goalie and willing to overpay?
 

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I wonder if Washington goes after one of Campbell or Kuemper? Toronto can go after Kuemper, but it looks like they aren't taking back Campbell.

I'd LOL if they traded for Gibson.

Is it okay to pick them to miss the playoffs if they acquire Gibson?
 

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Just glancing at numbers I don't really believe Husso would be the better choice, and Vaneck is also going to be cheaper.

Going by the rumored Edmonton offer, Campbell was not going to be worth it.

Kuempher is also going to command a long deal he most likely isn't worth. You got questions around his eye and why Colorado is so willing to just let him walk. Then he has to actually want to sign here. He is going to have options, including teams in win now mode. Why come here barring a massive overpay from us when other contender teams are desperate for a goalie and willing to overpay?

Husso could definitely end up being the better choice. One thing is for sure and that's that he is the riskier choice. Going into next year with 2 really risky goalies wouldn't be the smartest. With Vanecek at least there's 2 consistently average years so you have an idea of what you're getting.
 

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Honestly, I like the Vanecek thing more than Husso.

I don't know why I never thought of him as an option, especially with Washington saying they'll be looking for goalie help this offseason.

A couple people threw Samsonov's name out there as a suggestion after they said that, which I was dead against. He's basically another Blackwood, only he hasn't even performed as well as him in their careers. I guess I figured they might keep Vanecek and deal Samsonov, but I shouldn't be surprised as Samsonov is a former first round pick and has a higher ceiling, even if he's looking like he won't reach it.

Husso was propped up by his most recent season. His first season was every bit as bad as Blackwood's this past year. Husso was better than Vanecek this past season by quite a bit, but he was also worse than Vanecek in 20-21 by just as much. And both have only played in the league at all in these last two seasons. Vanecek has played 22 more games in the regular season.

Caps were apparently shopping both goalies, Vanecek just ended up the one that got dealt. Curious if it was because we simply preferred him, or if their ask for Samsonov was higher.

Vanecek definitely has been the better goalie. It would be another Blackwood situation where you are hoping he eventually hits his ceiling
 
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Husso could definitely end up being the better choice. One thing is for sure and that's that he is the riskier choice. Going into next year with 2 really risky goalies wouldn't be the smartest. With Vanecek at least there's 2 consistently average years so you have an idea of what you're getting.

He definitely could, but I don't think it's a given that he will, which you seem to agree with.

I also am really luke warm on giving any of the remaining goalies 5 or 6 year deals, even more so after this trade as we aren't as desperate for a goalie now.

I have faith in Vanecek being able to take the cage if Blackwood stumbles again
 

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I think he can bounce back too.

I don't think he will though.

To a point he may, but I am an atheist when it comes to believing in him as our goalie of the future anymore.

I think he has a better chance than Cory did after his first couple of poor years, but that's only based on the fact that he's 25 years old and 32 years old.

At the same time, I can never see this guy being as good as the pre-decline Cory. The last couple of years he's been every bit as bad as the Cory Schneider of his 30's and even worse than 41 year old Brodeur. The only other thing he has going for him is that he's only been bad 55 games (Which is almost HALF of his NHL career to date) but not 120 games like Cory by the time we finally moved on.

Him never having been as good as Cory pre decline doesn't mean there's a less of a chance of him not being good ever again, my point is that he's probably gonna be an average goalie at the very best.

If he toss him next offseason he'll probably be in the league another few years regardless, because the NHL LOVES to recycle goalies for years. He can have 3-4 more bad years and probably get one more year out of his NHL career. The Blue Jackets keep bringing back Korpisalo who's had one good season in 7 years (his rookie year) in the NHL and guys like Martin Jones still get signed. Craig Anderson got brought back again, etc.
Im willing to give Blackwood the benefit of the doubt when it comes to his last two years; at one point there werent even practices, his two(?) separate injuries with one that lingered, and then the entire covid debacle with him and then the entire pandemic as well.

Thats a lot for a 23-25yo whos considered the future of the most important position for a team. I think with a long offseason here and now that he says hes healthy, I expect a strong season from him. And strong for me would be getting back to a .915 like he was for us our first two goes with him.

Work from there on any potential he still has left or move him for an upgrade. Maybe Vanecek pans out or maybe we look elsewhere. Will be interesting to follow but Im rooting for Mackenzie first and foremost, as he still has the athleticism and size to make for a great starter. I think its the mental game hes been fighting most.
 

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Aside from Husso, Vanecek was the right move. Campbell is not worth the massive contract he's going to get and honestly I'm not a huge fan of giving a giant contract to a 32 year old Darcy Kuemper either. And that's assuming that either of those guys would have picked the Devils over the Leafs, Oilers or Caps to begin with.

When you take everything into account, Husso was probably the best option and Vanecek was a hair below that. Absolutely fine with the Vanecek move given the options, especially when you consider that his contract will likely come in at a lower number than Husso.
 

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League average this year was .907. Last year was .908. Blackwood's last 2 years was .902 and .892. I mean do you guys ever even bother to fact check anything at all or do you just ignorantly bitch to bitch?



I mean almost no one ever has a chance to be as good as pre decline Cory. He was f***ing absurd. I'm really not going to worry about Blackwood's next deal. If he plays well and bounces back then he'll deserve the deal. If he doesn't then he'll be gone and won't get the deal.


People also endlessly whine about our “injury prone” players yet want to sign a UFA goalie even though the top guys aren’t really guys you want to be investing in long term.

Kuemper hasn’t strung together two healthy seasons as a starter yet and missed 50 games in his last two seasons in Arizona (out of 126 games). Kuemper was shockingly healthy (for him) last season and started 57 games in the regular season.

Kuemper’s only managed to start +30 games twice and he turned 32 in May, it takes some powerful wishful thinking to imagine a long term deal with him will go well. And I don’t mean it will go bad years down the road, the dude has never been durable, getting ~50 starts next season would be a nice success.

Campbell has less history but as you can see, he had what you can call an up and down season:

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This was from a March 7th Athletic article about Campbell:
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So he would be on brand at least.

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Yep, definitely on brand.

Soon after that article he went on the IR for a rib injury, which was pre-existing problem he “tweaked” on March 8th. He missed 10 games (3/10-3/31).

In February Campbell/the Leafs were blaming a “mental block”.

Husso was in many ways the most appealing of these UFA goalies, if more of a mystery box, but he’s gone now. (Life comes at you fast lol.)




 

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