Confirmed with Link: Devils acquire LHD Jonas Siegenthaler (WAS) for ARZ 3rd 2021

[captainscott]

I don't like what it implies about the Devils LHD prospects - that neither Okhotyuk and Bahl are ready to even get cups of coffee in the NHL, absent injuries - but I do think it's a good move because it's also a tacit admission that although the Devils are going to trade away at least one D before the end of the season, they are not looking to tank.

i don't think that is the case... many Defenseman are not ready at 19 20 years old.. the caps drafted this guy 6 years ago and he will finally get his chance now... you can never have enough quality defenseman... you don't pass up an opportunity because you have 2 young dmen on the farm who may be ok one day.. we have draft capital and have to use it to acquire young NHL caliber players i think on paper this is about as shrewd a trade as you are going to get. Fitz seems like he has a plan

 

[JrFischer54]

Uh I thought this board was against trading draft picks for nhl talent? What changed

 

[I Hate Tie DOMI]

Sounds more like a Ben Lovejoy replacement more than a Kulikov replacement since Kulikov can handle a puck and has some skill offensively. Hope Jonas’ puck handling isn’t as bad as I think it is.

 

[Davegarri]

I *ALWAYS* want Thai food

Gimme some massaman!

 

[The Wumpus]

I don't like what it implies about the Devils LHD prospects - that neither Okhotyuk and Bahl are ready to even get cups of coffee in the NHL, absent injuries - but I do think it's a good move because it's also a tacit admission that although the Devils are going to trade away at least one D before the end of the season, they are not looking to tank.

Don't know about Okhotiuk, but it sounds like Bahl is still adjusting to the AHL. I wouldn't expect him in NJ too soon.

 

[Traitor Zach]

This is a good move. I approve.

I suspect Kulikov and/or Murray are on the move by tomorrow.

 

[TheDuke93]

Uh I thought this board was against trading draft picks for nhl talent? What changed

We are against trading for NHL talent that doesn't make sense, are over the hill and extremely expensive. This trade is neither of the above and 3rd vs 2nd is kind of a huge deal all things considered.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Hard not to like this move.

 

[StevenToddIves]

This move is a pre-cursor to a trade of one or more of the LD trio of Murray, Kulikov and Butcher. It's a good deal -- Siegenthaler is a solid, responsible defensive blueliner with good skates and some physicality. Though he's an RFA after this season, the Devils should be able to get him for a few more years at a reasonable salary. Trading a 3rd round pick for a 23 year old defender who is clearly a pretty good NHL-er must be considered a winning deal by Fitzgerald.

 

[Traitor Zach]

This franchises depth in every position has been growing exponentially

Yup. I believe Fitz is earning the right to see this rebuild back into competitive hockey for sure. I am starting to see his plan/methods play out and I think he needs to be given chance next few seasons/offseasons to do it.

 

[Nubmer6]

Don't know about Okhotiuk, but it sounds like Bahl is still adjusting to the AHL. I wouldn't expect him in NJ too soon.

Siegenthaler is young enough that he may overlap with our LD prospects in Okhotiuk, Bahl, Vukojevic, and even Mukhamadulin.

That being said, I don't see why this team is so against playing LHD on the right. I mean, it's not like our greatest defensive pairing in team history wasn't two LHD.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Uh I thought this board was against trading draft picks for nhl talent? What changed

No, you hallucinated that.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Siegenthaler is young enough that he may overlap with our LD prospects in Okhotiuk, Bahl, Vukojevic, and even Mukhamadulin.

That being said, I don't see why this team is so against playing LHD on the right. I mean, it's not like our greatest defensive pairing in team history wasn't two LHD.

It’s not easy to play on the off-side, not impossible but not easy and most teams are much more comfortable with guys on the right sides. I’ve heard people mention that Smith played the right side in junior but it’s much harder to do that as you go to a higher level. Things like quick d to d passes and catching and shooting off a pass across the point are more difficult and harder to adjust to when you have less time in the NHL.

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

Uh I thought this board was against trading draft picks for nhl talent? What changed

This past week: We should draft our way out of this and moving picks for quick results isn’t the route we should be taking. The last thing we should do is trade for a guy like Mueller... man, Shero’ really screwed us out of more picks!

Today: Love this pickup. He’s been playing behind solid veterans and he’ll slide in our lineup just fine.

Man, I love this place!

 

[Hockey Fanatik]

This move is a pre-cursor to a trade of one or more of the LD trio of Murray, Kulikov and Butcher. It's a good deal -- Siegenthaler is a solid, responsible defensive blueliner with good skates and some physicality. Though he's an RFA after this season, the Devils should be able to get him for a few more years at a reasonable salary. Trading a 3rd round pick for a 23 year old defender who is clearly a pretty good NHL-er must be considered a winning deal by Fitzgerald.

One would assume both Murray and Kulikov go, since neither can be protected and would likely be claimed if signed

 

[Oneiro]

Immediate help that can grow with the team. Everybody wins. I don't think there's hypocrisy from the "rebuild" crowd or the "help now, get better now" crowd.

Fitz doesn't have Shero's hair but hard to be mad at anything else so far.

 

[Devil X]

Big physical defenseman who can provide some PK time and clear the front of the net?

23 on top of that... yea why not give him a shot.

I like the move.

 

[Hockey Fanatik]

"Word from Siegenthaler's camp is that they are happy about the move to New Jersey, felt like it was a bit of a relief that he will go and get some playing time. Also good friends with Nico Hischier."

 

[HBK27]

I've been saying forever that Fitz absolutely had to make a trade for a young defenseman to use one of our expansion protection spots on and this appears to be it. I would've liked Fitz to maybe go after a bigger name (such as one of the Carolina players), but who knows what the cost would've been - guess we'll have to wait and see who else gets moved for what price prior to the expansion draft.

I like the move from what I'm reading about this guy. Also wonder if the cost was slightly higher to make the deal now, so we can plug him into the lineup the rest of the season (especially if the 3 pending UFA's are gone) versus waiting to make the deal just before the expansion draft (which may have been more preferable to Washington, as they could've maybe still used him for defensive depth in the playoffs).

 

[TrufleShufle]

These are the type of trades that make sense. Holding onto that 3rd won't do anything for the rebuild, you could hope in a few seasons that 3rd turns into a player at all, and then on top of that helps the team in any capacity at whatever stage they are in. Or do what fitz did and just spend the 3rd on a player you need now who is the exact age group you are looking to build around.

He basically just gave up the "lottery" aspect of getting something real special to skip 3-5 years of waiting to see what that scratch off ticket even is.

 

[My3Sons]

I don't like what it implies about the Devils LHD prospects - that neither Okhotyuk and Bahl are ready to even get cups of coffee in the NHL, absent injuries - but I do think it's a good move because it's also a tacit admission that although the Devils are going to trade away at least one D before the end of the season, they are not looking to tank.

He’s a few years ahead of the other guys once Murray and Kulikov move on. This also leaves open the third pair next season unless Butcher gets it together again.

 

[Blackjack]

It’s not easy to play on the off-side, not impossible but not easy and most teams are much more comfortable with guys on the right sides. I’ve heard people mention that Smith played the right side in junior but it’s much harder to do that as you go to a higher level. Things like quick d to d passes and catching and shooting off a pass across the point are more difficult and harder to adjust to when you have less time in the NHL.

Also, in the last few years there have been some formal analytics that came out that suggest there is a measurable disadvantage to playing your off-side on defense. I haven't read up on it in a while, but I believe it's a significant penalty. It seems like teams are now far more rigid in terms of handed-ness on defense.

 

[TrufleShufle]

This past week: We should draft our way out of this and moving picks for quick results isn’t the route we should be taking. The last thing we should do is trade for a guy like Mueller... man, Shero’ really screwed us out of more picks!

Today: Love this pickup. He’s been playing behind solid veterans and he’ll slide in our lineup just fine.

Man, I love this place!

Posters taking two or more view points from multiple posters out of context and smashing them all together to make hilariously contradictory statements never gets old.

Man, I love this place!

 

[devilsfan35]

Mueller trade 2.0

 

[Triumph]

This past week: We should draft our way out of this and moving picks for quick results isn’t the way to go about this. The last thing we should do is trade for a guy like Mueller... man, Shero’ really screwed us out of more picks!

Today: Love this pickup. He’s been playing behind solid veterans and he’ll slide in our lineup just fine.

Man, I love this place!

You love it so much you keep coming back with different names, but the differences are obvious -

A: Mueller was traded with a 5th for a 2nd and a 3rd. If Mueller was traded for just a 3rd, the deal would've been fine.

B: Mueller was an AHLer when the Devils dealt for him, Siegenthaler is in the NHL albeit not in the lineup - but he played the entire season last year. Mueller had only played 15 NHL games in the 2 years before he was traded.