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Devils 2021 offseason discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part III

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Billdo said:
https://thehockeywriters.com/seattle-kraken-mock-expansion-draft/

interesting moves they have us making.
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So...
  • A 2023 3rd round pick for retaining $1.35M of Ristolainen's salary (not sure if from Buffalo or Tampa, which is opposite ends of the round...guessing Tampa)
  • A 2021 2nd round pick pick from NYI for retaining $2.75M of Leddy's salary
  • Vince Dunn for the Islanders 1st rounder

First off, I don't think we can even retain salary on two deals before the expansion draft - only one.

I guess the returns are OK on them, though using two retention spots also limits trade activity at next year's TDL. Not sure if that's really worth it for a TB 2023 3rd rounder.

I'm indifferent to the Dunn deal - don't know a ton about him. He was a bottom pairing defenseman in St. Louis this year and I'm not sure how high his ceiling is at this point.

Also not a fan of protecting Johnsson over McLeod.
 
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NJDevs26 said:
Yuck at that last sentence, but given the Devils went almost exclusively to Internet radio long before most (if not all) other teams I can’t rule out an online TV package either.
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Twitch wouldn’t be the worst thing, it could possibly undercut some hockey fans who could pick otherwise a different NHL team or while they’re still learning the game or even in our area become NYR or NYI fans.
 
HBK27 said:
So, what happens when there are Yankee and Nets games on at the same time if there's no overflow channel? Would assume it would be rare, but has to happen occasionally?
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Go to a channel like NJ News 12 for overflow seems easy enough?
 
Call Me Al said:
apparently he was involved with negotiating media rights contracts for the nba, so when we need a new tv contract in a couple of years he should be a big asset. would be nice to get off of MSG and have a network that would devote more time to devils programming, and also not make us all have to support Dolan
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I have a random thought on that

I think we will end up on either SNY or YES

edit; wasnt there a rumor the Devils and SNY would team up? When Cohen bought the team
 
HBK27 said:
Isn't NJ News 12 only a Cablevision channel, so Fios and Comcast customers wouldn't get to see these games?
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I have it on Comcast/Xfinity - not sure about Fios though


Edit: just found this

Channel 535HD
As part of the deal, Fios customers will have access to the News 12 Networks which are among the highest customer requested hyperlocal news brands in the New York tri-state area. News 12 will be available on Channel 535HD in Long Island, the Lower Hudson Valley and New Jersey.Sep 4, 2019
 
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Nico Hughes said:
I have a random thought on that

I think we will end up on either SNY or YES
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Whatever network they wind up on, it would be nice if they were to get away from the archaic system of forcing consumers to purchase cable packages in order to watch local sports teams.

So many people are cutting the cord and it's simple to watch your favorite team if you live out of market but they try to force you to pay for a service that you don't want to watch them locally. I'm done with cable and not ever going back. I'd pay good money to just be able to stream every Devils game - just work out a deal so that money goes to whichever network has those local rights.
 
I just would like to see more comprehensive coverage that I know we'll never get on MSG. It sure would be nice to have a dedicated weekly Devil's hockey show.
 
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JimEIV said:
I just would like to see more comprehensive coverage that I know we'll never get on MSG. It sure would be nice to have a dedicated weekly Devil's hockey show.
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The online content is basically gonna function as that in a short period, as it is they already have their own pregame, postgame and between game snippets.
 
NJDevs26 said:
The online content is basically gonna function as that in a short period, as it is they already have their own pregame, postgame and between game snippets.
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It's not the same and I personally don't think it brings the notoriety a centralized station dedicated show can bring.

Especially for local hockey and growing the sport..
I remember living in Massachusetts and every away game was on local TV WBZN, home games on NESN and they would do a Mites on Ice segment, cover local Highschool hockey and College. I literally saw Mike Grier from highschool at St. Sebastian to College at BU to the Pros in Edmonton on local Boston TV... that's huge for the community. It brings immediate recognition and a level of pride
 
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Nico Hughes said:
I have a random thought on that

I think we will end up on either SNY or YES

edit; wasnt there a rumor the Devils and SNY would team up? When Cohen bought the team
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Not that I recall; instead, the rumor was that since Harris and Blitzer were looking to buy the Mets, their actual end-goal was to start a mega-regional northeast sports station using all the teams they'd own/have a stake in - the Mets, Devils, 76ers, and Steelers, likely waiting for the current contracts each team had with their current networks to run out before starting a new one (though maybe they would've tried to buy SNY from the Wilpons and turn it into that superstation).

That said, of the local channels I agree that SNY would be an ideal landing spot; they've got a big opening during the winter for the kind of coverage we'd love to see the Devils get since all they've got that time of year besides Jets related show is some sporadic Big East/UConn content.

However, to answer something brought up before, this year was the first time I noticed that YES apparently does have an overflow channel: since the Nets' playoff run coincided with baseball season there were days where one game of the two was on the overflow. However, it's clearly nowhere near as prominent as MSG+, and both MSG and MSG+ obviously have their own overflows already...and honestly, it'd be nice not to have to think about stuff like that, which is why SNY would feel best, the Devils would get to be the priority throughout the season.

I suppose the Wilpons would probably prefer a Mets/Jets/Islanders lineup for SNY if they could, but the Isles' deal with Dolan apparently isn't up until after the 2030-2031 season...plus, the Wilpons are supposedly looking to sell SNY just as they sold the Mets (thank God), so who knows who might be in charge there in the next few years.
 
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MachoDiablo said:
Not that I recall; instead, the rumor was that since Harris and Blitzer were looking to buy the Mets, their actual end-goal was to start a mega-regional northeast sports station using all the teams they'd own/have a stake in - the Mets, Devils, 76ers, and Steelers, likely waiting for the current contracts each team had with their current networks to run out before starting a new one (though maybe they would've tried to buy SNY from the Wilpons and turn it into that superstation).

That said, of the local channels I agree that SNY would be an ideal landing spot; they've got a big opening during the winter for the kind of coverage we'd love to see the Devils get since all they've got that time of year besides Jets related show is some sporadic Big East/UConn content.

However, to answer something brought up before, this year was the first time I noticed that YES apparently does have an overflow channel: since the Nets' playoff run coincided with baseball season there were days where one game of the two was on the overflow. However, it's clearly nowhere near as prominent as MSG+, and both MSG and MSG+ obviously have their own overflows already...and honestly, it'd be nice not to have to think about stuff like that, which is why SNY would feel best, the Devils would get to be the priority throughout the season.

I suppose the Wilpons would probably prefer a Mets/Jets/Islanders lineup for SNY if they could, but their deal with Dolan apparently isn't up until after the 2030-2031 season...plus, the Wilpons are supposedly looking to sell SNY just as they sold the Mets (thank God), so who knows who might be in charge there in the next few years.
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Thats likely where Cohen steps in and buys, and realizing everything you so beautifully laid out, offers a large sum to the Devils for the exclusive hockey rights on SNY.

Or im an absolute homer
 
JimEIV said:
I just would like to see more comprehensive coverage that I know we'll never get on MSG. It sure would be nice to have a dedicated weekly Devil's hockey show.
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I’ve been saying this for awhile since the new owners took over. Sure it’s going to cost them money but only way to grow your imagine is to put out devils centric shows. Teams been around 40 years that’s enough history to pull from and players to put out some programming. But that’s just me
 
Nico Hughes said:
500m for 20 years in 2004, to this day its one of the higher end
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Yeah, and the more I think about it it's why the Devils getting to SNY would likely be tough so long as the Wilpons own it: right now a huge reason SNY is a money-maker is that they pay a lower cost for Mets broadcast rights (since obviously the Wilpons owned the team and the network at first), around $68 million a year, but the end result is still SNY being valued at $1 billion but operating with an approximate $850 million debt load. That $150 million profit? The Wilpons "need" that...obviously not much "need" for a family who just sold the Mets for well over $2 billion, but these morons have been up to their eyeballs in debt for ages and SNY is a big time nest egg for them.

That being the case, I do have a hard time imagining them offering serious money for another pro team they'd actually have to produce game broadcasts for. Ignore for a minute that it'd be in the Wilpons' best interest to do just that: they could then pump up the network's value further ahead of the Mets' broadcast rights expiring circa 2026, priming them for a big pay day when Steve Cohen comes knocking at that point and likely looks to acquire the channel. But I repeat, the Wilpons are really bad at this entire sports thing, so I fully expect them to keep expenditures as low as possible and try to use SNY to pay off their various other debts...which they will likely mortgage, regardless, just trying to get loan after loan and just paying the interest for as long as humanly possible, because oh my God I'm getting triggering flashbacks to them being the Mets' owners and I hate remembering it even though it was just a year ago.

Still, I'll hold out hope: 82 SNY broadcasts, plus preseason and potential first round postseason coverage, plus a weekly Devils' magazine style show, and a few documentaries here and there (ugh, not holding my breath on that one given Wilponian cheapness, but c'mon, a really great Marty one is a must)? It'd be a nice step up.
 
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Emperoreddy said:
Isn't the MSG deal quite lucrative for the team and why they stick with it despite the coverage being lackluster?
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They were a powerhouse team and had been to the finals 3 of the last 4 years and won two cups when they signed that deal with MSG...I don't think they get anything close to that with current state of the organization.
 
JimEIV said:
They were a powerhouse team and had been to the finals 3 of the last 4 years and won two cups when they signed that deal with MSG...I don't think they get anything close to that with current state of the organization.
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I don’t think the TV contract had much to do with their on ice performance; it was MSG fearing losing the rights to 2 upstart channels.

TV channels don’t care if you win or lose, it’s just about ratings and ad rates. Devils aren’t great in this winning or losing.
 
Devils731 said:
I don’t think the TV contract had much to do with their on ice performance; it was MSG fearing losing the rights to 2 upstart channels.

TV channels don’t care if you win or lose, it’s just about ratings and ad rates. Devils aren’t great in this winning or losing.
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I see if I can find the article that talk about the Devil's being the only playoff/good team in the area as the central reason for the contract. I think it was the NY Post but I'm not sure
 
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