Devils 2021 offseason discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part III

[Devils731]

time will tell if he's a top pairing guy, but he's almost certainly the best defenseman after the top 3

Apparently, for a lot of scouts, if you made them name the top 3 defenseman for the draft then Edvinsson would be part of that 3 and Brandt or Hughes would have to be pushed out.

I have no dog in the fight over how good Edvinsson is or isn’t but some scouts think he’s going to be very good and I think it would be hard for me to be upset if the Devils scouts also thought that way.

 

[NJ Fan 12]

Luke Schenn is terrible. He’s an AHL defenseman. He’s better than Matt Tennyson and that’s it.

Let's see?

@Bleedred suggests a defensemen who played in 19 NHL playoff games in the past two seasons is "terrible" and an "AHL defenseman".

What does that say about the judgment of the head coach who won the past two Stanley Cups and put him in the lineup?

 

[Darkauron]

Luke Schenn IS terrible and SHOULD be in the ahl.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Let's see?

@Bleedred suggests a defensemen who played in 19 NHL playoff games in the past two seasons is "terrible" and an "AHL defenseman".

What does that say about the judgment of the head coach who won the past two Stanley Cups and put him in the lineup?

It means the Lightning are a super team and they could have played Stephen Hawking in that spot and gotten similar results. They needed a warm body, as cheap as possible, to fill out the roster so that the other 17 guys could win games.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

Luke Schenn is so bad and we absolutely should not for one second consider adding him to this team.

 

[Cheddabombs]

Luke Schenn?? In 2021?? Come on

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Am I the only one who actually watched Jesper play last season?

As entertaining as some of his highlight reel offensive plays were, it doesn't seem to offset the long stretches where he had little impact nor the times when his inattentiveness led to opposition scoring chances or goals against.

Would have hoped that the coaching change would have helped him improve in those areas but that didn't appear to be the case

Apparently, because the rest of your post is greatly exaggerated.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Let's see?

@Bleedred suggests a defensemen who played in 19 NHL playoff games in the past two seasons is "terrible" and an "AHL defenseman".

What does that say about the judgment of the head coach who won the past two Stanley Cups and put him in the lineup?

This is a terrible argument

A) the Lightning have the best top 4 on D in the league, so whoever plays on their 3rd pairing really does not matter.

B) Coaches make stupid moves all the time.

 

[AfroThunder396]

For the record, I don't hate the idea of bringing in a cheap veteran defenseman on a 1 year/~1M deal, but that can't be the only move we make.

-We need a mid pairing LHD, whether it's Murray (if he wants more than 2-3 years at ~3.5M AAV he can go pound salt) or someone from outside of the organization. Siegenthaler cannot be the #2 LHD going into camp.

-We need a RHD, a top pairing guy better than Severson is obviously ideal (Hamilton) but if we can't get him we can't settle for Carricks or Vatanens, it needs to be a legitimate every day RHD

-Also, Luke Schenn f***ing blows. He's worse than Carrick, worse than Mueller, and just barely better than Tennyson

 

[Triumph]

Let's see?

@Bleedred suggests a defensemen who played in 19 NHL playoff games in the past two seasons is "terrible" and an "AHL defenseman".

What does that say about the judgment of the head coach who won the past two Stanley Cups and put him in the lineup?

A defenseman who plays 10 minutes a game is probably an AHL quality defenseman.

Luke Schenn played 10:45/game this season. The next lowest D among D who played more than half the games was Mark Pysyk, who also played right wing. Moving up from that we find Cal Foote who played 12:53, so nearly 2 minutes more per game. But he was Tampa's other back pairing D. Joel Hanley played 13 minutes/game. And so on. So yeah, I'd guess he is AHL quality and the coach knows that.

 

[NJ Fan 12]

Ten minutes...on arguably the top defense corps in the NHL.

Sami Vatanen routinely played far more than that for New Jersey prior to being traded. That doesn't make him more valuable. That means that the Lightning had far more options than the Devils.

Cal Foote is expected to move into a full-time role but it was Schenn and not Foote that Cooper chose to use in the playoffs.

The other aspect of Schenn's game that doesn't fit the numbers narrative is winning. The Stanley Cup experience gained with the Flyers and Kings as well as the Lightning is something in short supply in the Devils locker room.

 

[NJDevs26]

A win-now team playing a vet over a kid in the playoffs? Color me shocked.

Luke Schenn hasn’t played over 38 games in a season since 2017-18, hard to be a leader either in the scratch box or getting 12 minutes a night

 

[Blackjack]

The other aspect of Schenn's game that doesn't fit the numbers narrative is winning. The Stanley Cup experience gained with the Flyers and Kings as well as the Lightning is something in short supply in the Devils locker room.

The experience of playing on a hockey team with Kucherov, Point, Vasileviskey, Stamkos, McDonagh, Hedman, Sergachev...

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

There are SO MANY players available each year that can be had for cheap in FA or via trade...its just really weird to fixate on Luke freaking Schenn of all people

 

[Devil X]

Why are people arguing over Luke Schenn literally has nothing to do with the Devils and likely never will.

I think there is a good chance we see some trades this week. Protection lists need to be in Saturday so we could see teams making deals instead of leaving players unprotected. Here’s to hoping the Devils pull one of those kinds of deals!

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

https://thehockeywriters.com/seattle-kraken-mock-expansion-draft/

In a three-way trade, Tampa Bay acquired D Rasmus Ristolainen, Buffalo acquired C Tyler Johnson and 2021 third-round pick (retains $2,700,000 of Ristolainen’s salary), and New Jersey acquired a 2023 third-round pick (retains $1,350,000 of Ristolainen’s salary).

In a three-way trade, Vegas acquired D Nick Leddy, New Jersey acquired a 2021 second-round pick (retains 50 percent of Leddy’s salary), and New York Islanders acquired C Nicolas Roy and a 2021 second-round pick.

St. Louis traded D Vince Dunn to New Jersey for a 2021 first-round pick (from New York I.)

New Jersey Devils
Acting GM: Alex Chauvancy

Protected List: Miles Wood, Jesper Bratt, Pavel Zacha, Nico Hischier, Yegor Sharangovich, Janne Kuokkanen, Andreas Johnsson, P.K. Subban, Vince Dunn, Damon Severson, Mackenzie Blackwood.

Selection: Michael McLeod.

Rationale: Like Stenlund, McLeod brings some offense to Seattle’s fourth line. The 23-year-old scored nine goals in 52 games last season with the Devils.

protect McLeod over Johnsson and sign me up for all of this.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Who does St. Louis lose if they trade Vince Dunn for a pick? NJ can easily protect another Dman and expose Subban.

 

[Devil X]

https://thehockeywriters.com/seattle-kraken-mock-expansion-draft/




protect McLeod over Johnsson and sign me up for all of this.

I think we only have 1 spot left to retain anyones salary?

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Who does St. Louis lose if they trade Vince Dunn for a pick? NJ can easily protect another Dman and expose Subban.

they also have Faulk, Krug, Parayko, and Scandella on D

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I think we only have 1 spot left to retain anyones salary?

I don't think so? Zajac and Palmieri's contracts both expired

 

[MartyOwns]

https://thehockeywriters.com/seattle-kraken-mock-expansion-draft/




protect McLeod over Johnsson and sign me up for all of this.

i thought we were past the stage of the rebuild where we get picks for taking on salary?

 

[aboriginal]

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

they also have Faulk, Krug, Parayko, and Scandella on D

So they are gonna go 8 skaters? That would lead them to protect ROR, Schenn, Robert Thomas for sure, and then one of Tarasenko, Perron, Kyrou, Sanford it looks like.

Kind of a tough spot, they might just want to accept losing Dunn unless they got NYI 1st.

Seattle Expansion Draft Simulator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[Devil X]

I don't think so? Zajac and Palmieri's contracts both expired

Yea you are probably right. I might have been thinking about the time around the trade deadline.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

i thought we were past the stage of the rebuild where we get picks for taking on salary?

we should be, yes.

but in this scenario we aren't left with deadbeats like Loui Eriksson that we would have to play, thus taking the roster spot from someone else.